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14:41:35 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:41:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:41:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:41:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
14:41:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:41:40 <trackbot> Date: 29 September 2016
14:42:03 <addison> Regrets: JcK, Francesco
14:42:09 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:42:14 <addison> ScribeNick: addison
14:42:19 <addison> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:42:45 <addison> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Sep/0020.html
14:42:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:43:09 <addison> agenda+ Agenda
14:43:14 <addison> agenda+ Action Items
14:43:18 <addison> agenda+ Info Share
14:43:26 <addison> agenda+ Radar and Active Work Review
14:43:33 <addison> agenda+ Issue Triage
14:43:46 <addison> agenda+ What happened at TPAC?
14:44:05 <addison> agenda+ FindText API and Web Platform Charter
14:44:11 <addison> agenda+ Charmod, Encoding, etc.
14:51:20 <addison> Present+ Addison
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15:03:36 <addison> present+ Steve
15:03:39 <addison> present+ Richard
15:03:42 <addison> present+ Lina
15:04:01 <addison> present+ Felix
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15:04:15 <r12a> Lina, did you click on the button to join the call that says something like "Connect to Audio" ?
15:04:29 <r12a> on the left of the window
15:04:41 <fsasaki> present+ felix
15:04:59 <addison> agenda?
15:05:23 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:05:23 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from addison]
15:05:31 <r12a> Lina, we now see two of you on the webex UI, but you don't seem to be on the call
15:06:22 <Lina> I just joined
15:06:58 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:06:58 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from addison]
15:07:29 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:08:12 <addison> action-536?
15:08:12 <trackbot> action-536 -- Richard Ishida to Publish predefined-counter-styles as a wg note -- due 2016-06-30 -- OPEN
15:08:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/536
15:08:21 <addison> richard: getting some comments and need to address them first
15:08:49 <addison> action-538?
15:08:49 <trackbot> action-538 -- Addison Phillips to Work with richard and plh to establish procedure for bringing changes to encoding forward -- due 2016-06-30 -- OPEN
15:08:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/538
15:08:51 <addison> done
15:08:55 <addison> close action-538
15:08:55 <trackbot> Closed action-538.
15:09:35 <addison> action: richard to establish a process for auto-publishing updates to encoding on a regular basis
15:09:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-560 - Establish a process for auto-publishing updates to encoding on a regular basis [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-10-06].
15:10:02 <addison> action-542?
15:10:02 <trackbot> action-542 -- Richard Ishida to Ask after dpub-pagination status and if they want/ready for a review -- due 2016-07-28 -- OPEN
15:10:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/542
15:10:14 <addison> close action-542
15:10:14 <trackbot> Closed action-542.
15:10:27 <addison> richard: aware that's a question and may get around to it eventually; not ready now
15:10:44 <addison> close action-549
15:10:44 <trackbot> Closed action-549.
15:11:47 <addison> actin-551?
15:11:52 <addison> action-551?
15:11:52 <trackbot> action-551 -- Addison Phillips to Drop current charmod section 4 into the wiki for posterity or future use and then edit to remove -- due 2016-09-15 -- OPEN
15:11:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/551
15:12:14 <addison> addison: created string-search for that
15:12:17 <addison> close action-551
15:12:17 <trackbot> Closed action-551.
15:12:49 <addison> action-552?
15:12:49 <trackbot> action-552 -- Addison Phillips to Write to json-ld about potential for a serialization form for natural language strings to address issues with dir and lang -- due 2016-09-29 -- OPEN
15:12:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/552
15:13:01 <addison> addison: read json-ld, will have a draft next week
15:13:35 <addison> action-554?
15:13:35 <trackbot> action-554 -- Addison Phillips to Work to schedule a review of microformats -- due 2016-09-29 -- OPEN
15:13:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/554
15:15:00 <addison> action-556?
15:15:00 <trackbot> action-556 -- Elika Etemad to Convert her text justification to respec -- due 2016-09-30 -- OPEN
15:15:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/556
15:15:04 <addison> richard: did that for her
15:15:08 <addison> close action-556
15:15:08 <trackbot> Closed action-556.
15:15:26 <addison> close action-557
15:15:26 <trackbot> Closed action-557.
15:15:42 <addison> action-558?
15:15:42 <trackbot> action-558 -- Richard Ishida to Do due diligence on converting layout tfs to cgs -- due 2016-09-30 -- OPEN
15:15:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/558
15:15:53 <addison> richard: did some of that, need to chat with Wendy
15:16:00 <addison> ... will talk about late
15:16:05 <addison> s/late/later/
15:16:11 <addison> ... on it
15:16:26 <addison> close action-559
15:16:26 <trackbot> Closed action-559.
15:16:35 <addison> agenda?
15:16:46 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:16:46 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from addison]
15:17:10 <addison> welcoming new members
15:17:21 <addison> Lina: excited to be here
15:17:33 <addison> ... based in Israel, work in IBM on bidi stuff
15:17:46 <addison> ... contribute to ICU
15:18:54 <addison> JohnOC: work at Intuit
15:19:06 <addison> ... some experience with primarily the Java platform
15:19:18 <addison> ... since then have worked in I18N
15:19:24 <addison> ... creating a localization platfrom
15:19:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:20:13 <addison> agenda?
15:20:20 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:20:20 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Radar and Active Work Review" taken up [from addison]
15:20:31 <addison> file:///c:/users/addison/documents/github/radar/i18n-activity/radar/index.html
15:20:50 <addison> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
15:22:34 <addison> richard: one more just came through from amy
15:22:43 <addison> ... activitypub just moved to w3c domain
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15:23:32 <addison> richard: first self-review!
15:25:20 <addison> richard: ttml, should have a list of new stuff
15:25:24 <addison> ... watch ruby stuff
15:25:33 <addison> ... including non-css/non-jlreq items
15:25:43 <addison> steve: justification?
15:25:50 <addison> richard: captioning on tvs and film
15:25:59 <joconner> present+ joconner
15:26:45 <addison> steve: need to keep css and ttml in sync?
15:26:48 <addison> addison:  yeah
15:26:54 <addison> richard: svg2 needs love
15:27:19 <addison> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:28:34 <addison> addison: some traffic on mongolian and nnbsp; want to do something diff
15:28:51 <addison> richard: participating in wg2
15:29:01 <addison> ... he and the other mongolian experts
15:29:32 <addison> richard: edx: now a css course released, need to look at it
15:29:35 <addison> ... check for i18n issues
15:29:50 <addison> unicode conference coming soon!
15:29:58 <addison> richard: who's going?
15:30:05 <addison> addison, richard...
15:31:15 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:31:15 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Issue Triage" taken up [from addison]
15:31:23 <addison> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
15:31:39 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/225
15:32:11 <fsasaki> sorry, have to go - cheers
15:33:04 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/226
15:36:19 <addison> steve: first clarify and then guide?
15:36:27 <addison> addison: basically yes, can't tell if iri or uri or what
15:36:39 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/227
15:38:47 <addison> lina: nice to have the direction, as2 has the same problem
15:40:05 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/208
15:41:14 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/207
15:42:05 <addison> both accepted
15:42:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:42:54 <addison> richard: typo in the github in this spec?
15:43:12 <addison> agenda?
15:43:26 <addison> richard: new version of webauthn yesterday
15:44:01 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:44:01 <Zakim> agendum 7. "FindText API and Web Platform Charter" taken up [from addison]
15:45:23 <addison> addison: do we care that this is falling on the floor?
15:47:44 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:47:44 <Zakim> agendum 6. "What happened at TPAC?" taken up [from addison]
15:48:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:48:32 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/22-i18n-minutes.html
15:48:38 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/23-i18n-minutes.html
15:48:44 <addison> richard: will have minutes soon, here's the minutes
15:49:21 <addison> richard: outcome of encoding with anne
15:49:49 <addison> ... problem has been that we don't update our snapshot regularly
15:49:52 <addison> ... not close to his version
15:49:59 <addison> ... so we decided to publish quite regularly
15:50:08 <addison> ... if only editorial changes can publsih straightaway
15:50:28 <addison> ... if substantive then 'call for exclusion' takes two months
15:50:49 <addison> ... can do immediately but then have to wait 2 months until next one
15:51:23 <addison> addison: also got permission to point to whatwg's copy of tables
15:51:53 <addison> richard: easier to keep up to date, not a substantive change any more
15:52:01 <addison> ... following up with implementers
15:52:06 <addison> ... dean jackson from safari
15:52:12 <addison> ... spoke to travis from msft
15:52:20 <addison> ... moz has henri sivonen
15:52:32 <addison> ... should solve all the problems (hopefully)
15:52:43 <addison> ... jungshik working bugs on chrome
15:52:50 <addison> ... movement of impls!
15:53:30 <addison> richard: wednesday had meetings about horizontal reviews
15:53:33 <addison> ... reorg underway
15:53:45 <addison> ... ralph swick has responsibility to see that horizontal reviews get done
15:54:11 <addison> addison: a11y, tag
15:54:28 <najib> q+
15:54:34 <addison> ack na
15:54:44 <addison> najib: did you talk about arabic layout?
15:54:52 <addison> richard: no, other than in passing
15:55:06 <addison> ... reported making progress, started on justification
15:55:10 <addison> ... not much more detail
15:55:19 <addison> ... did have a session on chinese layout TF
15:55:22 <addison> ... in minutes
15:55:35 <addison> ... also a discussion about whether to move TFs to Community Groups (CGs)
15:55:49 <addison> ... sounded good, but details may or may not be as compatible as we thought
15:55:54 <addison> ... still investigating
15:56:02 <addison> ... CGs make make easy to join
15:56:07 <addison> ... but it's not that simple
15:56:16 <addison> ... and some organizational principles
15:56:20 <addison> ... own agreements
15:56:27 <addison> ... not same as Invited Expert
15:56:35 <addison> ... doc in CG and handed over when final
15:56:42 <addison> ... not how we've done things
15:56:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:57:19 <addison> richard: WG continues working, RI allowed to work... but more anon as we study it
15:57:46 <addison> Lina: hebrew TF?
15:57:52 <addison> ... proposed a couple months ago
15:57:56 <addison> ... prepared charter draft
15:58:01 <addison> ... what is next step?
15:58:16 <addison> ... share with richard, addison and martin?
15:58:22 <addison> richard: yes. thanks for brining up
15:58:30 <addison> ... send charter and can do next steps
15:58:35 <addison> s/brining/bringing/
15:58:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:59:02 <addison> najib: some shared maybe?
15:59:10 <addison> richard: discussion with fantasai
15:59:16 <addison> ... who is a member, but mostly does CSS
15:59:20 <addison> ... does the i18n for css
15:59:28 <addison> ... she put a document about justificiation together
15:59:34 <addison> ... links to other docs
15:59:37 <addison> ... subset of ours
15:59:44 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/
15:59:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:59:56 <addison> richard: that link will be useful to Lina
16:00:05 <addison> ... known info about layout for non-Latin scripts
16:00:13 <addison> ... fantasai was worried just on github
16:00:28 <addison> ... summary is that created a doc already but need to post
16:00:36 <addison> ... which will be at above address
16:00:48 <addison> ...to have TR equiv (so w3c)
16:00:56 <addison> ... contain elika's stuff in slightly diff form
16:01:05 <addison> ... she may provide other brief summaries
16:01:08 <addison> ... working on it!
16:01:12 <addison> agenda?
16:01:36 <addison> richard: will try to keep page as it looks now for folks setting up LTFs
16:01:38 <addison> ... and others
16:01:49 <addison> ... helps structure document for layout docs for example
16:01:58 <addison> ... don't want links to two places
16:02:07 <najib> present+
16:02:36 <addison> pull stuff from social into our minutes
16:03:11 <addison> richard: tried to review items marked "closed?"
16:03:20 <addison> addison: volunteers needed
16:03:52 <addison> richard: read minutes for the other things we pulled out
16:04:08 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
16:04:08 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Charmod, Encoding, etc." taken up [from addison]
16:04:34 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/
16:05:04 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/string-search/
16:05:25 <addison> addison: welcome comments on charmod-norm
16:05:45 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/charmod-norm/issues
16:06:14 <addison> Topic: AOB?
16:06:56 <addison> richard: need to do the echidna thing and fix the thing about TR in green box
16:07:00 <addison> addison: yep
16:07:12 <addison> richard: ethiopic recently published,  please look
16:07:34 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/elreq/
16:07:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:07:44 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/elreq/
16:07:57 <addison> richard: issue list is a bit strange here
16:08:07 <addison> ... there are like 80 issues used for a survey
16:08:14 <addison> ... filter those out
16:09:09 <najib> present+ najib
16:09:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:09:31 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
16:09:52 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/repostatus/
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16:11:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:11:39 <addison> zakim, bye
16:11:39 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Steve, Richard, Lina, Felix, joconner, najib
16:11:39 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
16:13:33 <addison> rrsagent, bye
16:13:33 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:13:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard to establish a process for auto-publishing updates to encoding on a regular basis [1]
16:13:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-irc#T15-09-35