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13:01:18 <ivan> Meeting: DPUB_ARIA Task force meeting
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13:03:57 <tzviya> chair: Tzviya
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13:06:01 <Rich> q+
13:06:06 <tzviya> ack r
13:06:31 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2016Sep/0005.html
13:07:57 <tzviya> Rich: We have not moved over to Github for issue tracking
13:08:29 <tzviya> ...Worked with James Teh to resolve issues
13:10:05 <tzviya> Tzviya: Rich and James T made changes reflecting IA2
13:10:17 <Rich> scribe: Rich
13:10:17 <tzviya> scribenick: Rich
13:10:40 <Rich> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/issue444/dpub-aam/dpub-aam.html
13:11:04 <Rich> 26-Sep-2016: For MacOSX modify doc-abstract, doc-acknowledgments, doc-afterword, doc-appendix, doc-bibliography, doc-chapter, doc-conclusion, doc-credits, doc-endnotes, doc-epilogue, doc-errata, doc-foreward, doc-glossary, doc-index, doc-introduction, doc-pagelist, doc-part, doc-pagebreak, doc-prologue, and doc-toc to be landmark regions.
13:11:04 <Rich> 28-Sep-2016: doc-abstract, doc-colophon, doc-credit, doc-dedication, doc-epigraph, doc-example and doc-qna are all to IA2_ROLE_SECTION; doc-notice, doc-tip mapped to IA2_ROLE_NOTE; convert a number of MSAA and IA2 roles to have <code> styling
13:11:56 <tzviya> Rich's changes reflect James Craig's updates to landmark and navigation mappings
13:12:10 <tzviya> James C's comments in https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/435
13:13:01 <tzviya> scribe: Tzviya
13:13:35 <tzviya> Rich: James Teh's changes also affect ARIA role "feed"
13:14:33 <tzviya> ...The thing that was a big issue is doc-pagebreak only having namefromcontent
13:15:26 <Rich> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2016Sep/
13:16:18 <tzviya> Tzviya: comment from Matt "Yes, the page break number is not normally in the text content of the document. Using aria-label or title is the recommended practice in epub."
13:16:44 <tzviya> Rich: should this be namefromcontent of namefromauthor?
13:18:09 <tzviya> consensus: namefromauthor
13:18:17 <tzviya> Rich will make the change
13:19:21 <Rich> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html
13:19:56 <tzviya> Tzviya: matt noticed an error in http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html#doc-index
13:20:19 <tzviya> ...the super-classes for doc-index are incorrect
13:21:02 <tzviya> ...the correct superclass should be navigation
13:21:23 <tzviya> ...This affects API mappings as well, but nothing subclasses index
13:28:29 <tzviya> Tzviya: <li role="doc-learningObjective>
13:28:42 <tzviya> li retains its native semantics
13:29:51 <tzviya> rich: We need to adjust the AAM to indicate that roles without mappings maintain semantics
13:30:07 <tzviya> tzviya: we also need to ensure that the html validates
13:31:03 <tzviya> tzviya: question for ARIA WG - would you require that a prefixed vocab be written with the ARIA WG?
13:32:04 <tzviya> MichaelC: Procedure we agreed that groups would write on their own and submit to ARIA for review. We'll review with WG. I think that as long as we approve the work, we can stay out.
13:32:19 <tzviya> ...It does have to published through the ARIA WG.
13:33:35 <janina> Just saw the agenda for today. Anyone still on a call?
13:34:03 <tzviya> Rich: One thing to consider going forward is that synonyms might exist in Core. For example chapter might exist in core while doc-chapter is in dpub-aria
13:34:21 <tzviya> topic: exit criteria
13:34:36 <tzviya> rich: we could test everything with one file
13:34:49 <tzviya> ...put all the roles on a bunch of divs with an id
13:35:09 <tzviya> ...We would have an expected output on an API
13:35:26 <janina> present+ Janina
13:35:48 <ivan> q+
13:35:57 <tzviya> ...The automated test tool will check that the browser platform support the tool
13:35:59 <tzviya> ack iv
13:36:09 <tzviya> ivan: You are describing testing the mapping
13:37:04 <tzviya> ...i think we also need to define exit criteria for the roles
13:38:06 <tzviya> ...we need to demonstrate that the roles are used by EPUB authors, for example
13:38:18 <tzviya> Tzviya: Shane may have some suggestions
13:38:33 <tzviya> ...I can demonstrate that the roles are used by some publishers
13:38:45 <ShaneM> do you want me to call in?
13:39:03 <tzviya> Ivan: This should be similar to defining exit criteria for a vocab
13:39:42 <tzviya> Ivan: We should talk to Ralph
13:39:57 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
13:40:43 <tzviya> Tzviya: We can use the ARIA test harness for DPUB-AAM
13:41:11 <tzviya> ...We need to define exit criteria for DPUB-ARIA
13:42:11 <tzviya> Shane: The testing sits below the Accessibility Tree layer
13:43:18 <tzviya> ...and interrogates the implementation of the roles in 2 APIs
13:45:05 <tzviya> Ivan: this doesn't apply to vocab testing though
13:45:41 <tzviya> Shane: If the problem we are trying to solve is that the terms flow through to the DOM, then it does
13:46:06 <tzviya> ...If we are trying to prove that the terms are used in the wild, then it doesn't
13:46:35 <tzviya> ivan: i will have a call with Ralph soon and will discuss
13:49:00 <tzviya> tzviya: for the purpose of this vocab, it's good to see use in the world
13:49:08 <tzviya> ...and great to see manifested in the dom
13:49:31 <tzviya> ...when we get to roles with no API mappings, we don't expect to see much in the DOM
13:50:19 <tzviya> Ivan: For this vocab, we can say that the original version of these terms have been used for yeard
13:50:32 <tzviya> ...We need to be careful about creating precedent
13:51:14 <tzviya> Tzviya: Let's leave this as a discussion point for Ivan and Ralph
13:51:31 <tzviya> Rich: I would like to get mappings from MS on UIAutomation
13:51:43 <tzviya> ...I'll be in touch with Bogdon
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