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12:02:10 <kaz> Meeting: WoT IG
12:02:33 <kaz> present: Kaz_Ashimura, Dave_Raggett, Michael_Koster, Masato_Ohura, Takuki_Kamiya
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12:09:22 <kaz> kaz: who will chair the call today?
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12:09:36 <kaz> seb: Matthias is not available today
12:10:57 <kaz> ... none of Chairs is here
12:11:10 <kaz> ... so maybe official regular call should be held next week
12:11:46 <kaz> ... can start quick summary
12:12:04 <kaz> ... some people were already there on Monday
12:12:11 <kaz> ... and joined some joint meetings
12:12:22 <kaz> ... Automotive, Spatial Data, etc.
12:12:27 <kaz> ... can give some impressions
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12:12:42 <kaz> darko: can go through the agenda
12:13:37 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2016,_Portugal,_Lisbon#Outreach_and_Ad-hoc_meetings agenda for the joint meetings
12:13:44 <kaz> darko: Spatial data meeting
12:13:51 <kaz> ... similar to the one last year
12:13:56 <kaz> ... two sessions
12:14:08 <kaz> ... one in the spatial group on Tuesday
12:14:16 <kaz> ... and another on Thursday
12:14:23 <kaz> ... we talked about TD
12:14:34 <kaz> ... little discussion by the Spatial group side
12:14:44 <kaz> ... possible use of SSN
12:14:59 <kaz> ... interesting in some proposal to define property for SSN ontology
12:15:08 <kaz> ... some sort of device description
12:15:17 <kaz> ... if you have a sensor within SSN
12:15:22 <kaz> ... there is some measurement
12:15:35 <kaz> ... where came from
12:15:43 <kaz> ... measurement description
12:15:57 <kaz> ... generated based on TD
12:16:24 <kaz> ... they're planning to send that proposal to the Device group
12:16:30 <kaz> ... but possibly to TD as well
12:16:36 <kaz> ... and Thursday
12:16:42 <kaz> ... SSN call
12:16:46 <kaz> ... some extension
12:16:55 <kaz> ... they also added actuators
12:17:36 <kaz> seba: good cooperation for vocabulary
12:17:51 <kaz> ... quite interested
12:18:14 <kaz> ... nice to see ontology could be used
12:18:19 <kaz> darko: right
12:18:25 <kaz> ... one thing I didn't mention
12:18:33 <kaz> ... they created a few examples
12:18:52 <kaz> ... devices have some constraints
12:19:07 <kaz> ... Dan Brickly from Google was there at the joint meeting
12:19:21 <kaz> ... also presented schema.org within our session (on Friday)
12:19:40 <kaz> ... schema.org might be also a possible candidate for WoT vocabulary
12:19:45 <kaz> ... as well as SSN
12:20:21 <kaz> kaz: the Thursday joint meeting is Kerry and Natasha?
12:20:29 <kaz> darko: yes, Kerry, Natasha and Dan
12:21:04 <kaz> seba: Device and Sensors WG?
12:22:21 <kaz> kaz: @@@
12:22:27 <kaz> seba: Automotive?
12:22:46 <kaz> ... shared information about our/their current status
12:23:01 <kaz> ... exchange information closely
12:23:11 <kaz> ... WebSocket-based framework and data format
12:23:42 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/auto/wg/wiki/Vehicle_Information_Service_Specification Vehicle information service spec
12:24:05 <kaz> seba: also security discussion
12:24:23 <kaz> kaz: @@2
12:24:47 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/auto/wg/wiki/images/1/13/W3C_Vehicle_API_Component_Diagram_v1.2.png
12:29:25 <kaz> kaz: @3
12:29:35 <kaz> seba: yes
12:29:44 <kaz> ... there was discussion on security token as well
12:30:00 <kaz> ... Thing Description should also discuss what kind of security token should be handled
12:30:11 <kaz> ... very interesting scenario
12:30:28 <kaz> michael: very interesting
12:30:49 <kaz> ... also working for 2 months on GENIVI's VSS from OCF
12:31:12 <kaz> ... it turned out descriptive
12:31:45 <kaz> ... also they're using WebSocket-based architecture
12:32:08 <kaz> ... I'd like to use TD for the OCF REST interface
12:32:24 <kaz> ... signal themselves have some type
12:32:57 <kaz> ... they use programing language type
12:32:58 <kaz> ... think all promising
12:33:09 <kaz> ... really would support VSS
12:33:56 <kaz> kaz: W4
12:34:12 <kaz> michael: within YAML there is also Max, Min, etc.
12:34:38 <kaz> victor: Michael, resources on the OCF side?
12:34:52 <kaz> michael: we defined all the branches as data collection
12:34:59 <kaz> ... cabin has doors, etc.
12:35:24 <kaz> ... and the door has property of open/close
12:36:10 <kaz> ... some kind of query for the information
12:36:36 <kaz> ... I can share all the information about mapping
12:36:46 <kaz> ... different kinds of TD
12:37:28 <kaz> seba: also there were some small meetups as well
12:37:52 <kaz> ... demo plugfest on Wednesday
12:38:08 <kaz> ... discussions with the audience
12:38:29 <kaz> ... plugfest content was what we already had for the Beijing meeting
12:38:45 <kaz> ... and we generated banner posters to show what the building blocks were
12:38:57 <kaz> ... how TD is used, etc.
12:39:14 <kaz> ... how to work with small micro controllers, etc.
12:39:26 <kaz> ... we had another table on Scripting API as well
12:39:33 <kaz> ... also Protocol binding
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12:40:17 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/tpac2016/21/ Pictures from the Plenary Day (Member-only)
12:40:31 <kaz> seba: air conditioner from Panasonic
12:40:35 <kaz> ... blind from Fujitsu
12:40:45 <kaz> ... device controller from Siemens
12:40:57 <kaz> ... my feeling was very nice
12:41:02 <kaz> ... many interesting discussions
12:41:13 <kaz> ... people understood what we were doing
12:41:21 <kaz> ... very successful session
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12:42:15 <kaz> kaz: agree
12:42:39 <kaz> ... many people more than 100
12:42:50 <kaz> ... took many pictures and will include some of them in the minutes
12:42:57 <kaz> seba: ok
12:43:04 <kaz> ... quickly skim the Thu/Fri agenda?
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12:43:42 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2016,_Portugal,_Lisbon#Outreach_and_Ad-hoc_meetings agenda
12:44:15 <DarkoAnicic> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/meeting-results/beijing-f2f/wot-f2f-beijing-subscriptions.md
12:44:58 <kaz> darko: initial discussion on agenda, joint sessions with Geospatial and Dom's talk, and then breakouts
12:45:04 <kaz> ... Subscription follow-up
12:45:28 <kaz> ... feedback from Beijing meeting
12:45:39 <kaz> ... further discussion during web meetings
12:45:52 <kaz> ... TD lifecycle?
12:46:06 <kaz> seba: yes
12:46:12 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/22-wot-td-minutes.html TD lifecycle minutes
12:46:23 <kaz> seba: Kajimoto-san talked about TD lifecycle
12:46:34 <kaz> ... update for new devices
12:46:53 <DarkoAnicic> TD Lifecycle: https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/proposals/td-lifecycle/TD_Lifecycle_Concept.pptx
12:47:22 <kaz> seba: TD information for manufactures and service providers
12:47:29 <kaz> ... how to override existing TD?
12:47:34 <kaz> ... update/delete, etc.
12:48:15 <kaz> ... good input from semantic experts
12:48:31 <kaz> ... kind of guideline for TD lifecycle process
12:48:43 <kaz> ... also slides by Kajimoto-san
12:48:49 <kaz> s/san/san above/
12:49:41 <kaz> darko: victor, Hydra?
12:49:47 <kaz> victor: discussion on Hydra
12:50:07 <DarkoAnicic> TD & hypermedia control - Hydra: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/File:TDvsHydra.pdf
12:50:36 <kaz> victor: action item to continue comparison between TD and Hydra
12:50:48 <kaz> ... objective is what is missing
12:51:00 <kaz> s/what/to see what/
12:51:06 <kaz> ... data types, etc.
12:51:26 <kaz> ... how to extend Hydra
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12:51:41 <kaz> ... will reach out to the Hydra CG
12:52:07 <kaz> darko: Scripting API?
12:52:38 <kaz> kaz: Johannes?
12:52:50 <kaz> seba: no, he is on biz trip...
12:53:02 <kaz> ... maybe next week
12:53:33 <kaz> darko: some organizational work
12:53:37 <kaz> ... liaison, etc.
12:54:04 <kaz> ... reference implementations
12:54:18 <kaz> ... how to motivate implementers to align their implementations?
12:54:29 <kaz> ... maybe online PlugFest, etc.
12:55:32 <kaz> seba: also we now have new co-Chairs for the proposed WG
12:56:06 <kaz> ... Michael McCool from Intel, Kazuo Kajimoto from Panasonic and Matthias Kovatsch from Siemens
12:56:22 <kaz> ... also Yongjing from Huawei and Matthias for the IG
12:56:35 <kaz> s/Siemens/Siemens for the WG/
12:57:13 <kaz> ... next f2f meeting is being planned to be held in California probably hosted by Intel
12:57:31 <kaz> ... and May meeting in Osaka hosted by Panasonic
12:57:57 <kaz> ... and then TPAC 2017 in California
12:58:14 <kaz> darko: and some reports
12:58:43 <kaz> seba: also we had a demo on the F-Interop Project
12:59:09 <kaz> ... and initial ideas
12:59:42 <kaz> ... very nice to collaborate with them
13:00:01 <kaz> ... online testing environment
13:00:27 <kaz> kaz: yes
13:00:50 <kaz> ... so I suggested we think about how to reuse their mechanism or integrate it with the existing W3C Testing framework
13:01:25 <kaz> federico: provides online interoperable testing environment
13:02:32 <kaz> kaz: resources?
13:02:46 <kaz> federico: already installed on the wiki
13:02:57 <kaz> kaz: please let me know about the URL
13:03:15 <kaz> federico: please contact me, and will direct to appropriate people
13:03:20 <kaz> kaz: tx!
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13:04:41 <kaz> federico: we'll schedule a call on what to be do for the WoT testing
13:04:52 <kaz> ... would be great to have WoT experts
13:05:05 <kaz> kaz: some calls on your side?
13:05:18 <kaz> federico: yes, some particular call
13:05:36 <kaz> ... following Matthias' suggestion
13:06:07 <kaz> seba: we had another presentation by Yuki from UNI
13:06:25 <kaz> ... they showed demonstration of a smart home
13:06:48 <kaz> ... interested in joining PlugFest effort
13:07:29 <kaz2> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/File:20160922_F-Interop_TPAC-WoT_v2_1.pdf
13:07:51 <kaz> seba: and restructuring proposal for TD
13:08:21 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/proposals/td-restructuring TD restructuring proposal
13:08:34 <kaz> seba: reorganization to make TD clearer
13:09:03 <kaz> ... each resource/interaction should contain what?
13:09:10 <kaz> ... many people are interested in this topic
13:09:35 <kaz> ... setup specific Web meetings
13:10:06 <kaz> ... would like to start this asap because this is very important fundamental building block
13:10:22 <kaz> ... please respond to the Doodle poll so that we can make decision on the time slot
13:11:47 <kaz> darko: is Matsukura-san around for synchronization?
13:11:55 <kaz> (no)
13:12:02 <kaz> darko: TD just on thing features
13:12:29 <kaz> ... but how to keep TD up-to-date?
13:13:11 <kaz> kaz: maybe we should revisit this as well next week
13:13:20 <kaz> ... this is related to Kajimoto-san's lifecycle topic
13:13:23 <kaz> darko: yes
13:13:39 <kaz> ... how to keep TD up-to-date
13:13:56 <kaz> seba: that's it :)
13:14:13 <kaz> ... questions?
13:14:37 <kaz> ... if not, we had a joint meeting with IRTF T2T
13:15:08 <kaz> -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dJVJIKTkzPkisfS4KKhLvXCVzFac039HNWyT199GDmw/edit#heading=h.1patg3u6t0q IRTF T2T joint minutes
13:19:17 <kaz> kaz: gives brief summary
13:21:21 <kaz> seba: any more questions?
13:21:22 <kaz> (none)
13:21:42 <kaz> seba: please respond to the Doodle for the call on TD restructuring discussion
13:22:10 <sebastian>  http://doodle.com/poll/hcafvkxwfwqxhn66
13:22:27 <kaz> seba: tx and see you next week!
13:22:32 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
13:22:37 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:22:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:22:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
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