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10:10:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
10:10:24 <trackbot> Date: 21 September 2016
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10:10:48 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SOCL
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10:10:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
10:10:48 <trackbot> Date: 21 September 2016
10:11:24 <tantek> present+
10:11:35 <tantek> Tantek Çelik, Mozilla, Social Web WG co-chair
10:11:39 <aaronpk> present+
10:12:42 <olivier> present+ OlivierThereaux
10:13:03 <rhiaro> present+
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10:13:32 <bob> present+ bob bailey
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10:13:45 <nandana> present+
10:13:46 <rhiaro> Amy Guy, W3C/MIT/University of Edinburgh
10:13:46 <sandro> Sandro Hawke, W3C/MIT (one of the Staff Contacts)
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10:13:49 <astearns> Alan Stearns, Adobe Systems
10:13:59 <lbolstad> present+ lbolstad
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10:14:18 <nandana> Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, UPM / ODI-Madrid
10:14:29 <KjetilK> Kjetil Kjernsmo, University of Oslo
10:14:30 <dka> Dan Appelquist; TAG co-chair; Samsung Browser Team; long-standing interested in getting the social web decentralized. Burgeoning interest in interplanetary web.
10:14:34 <lbolstad> Lars Erik Bolstad, Opera
10:14:46 <aliams> present+ Ali_Alabbas
10:14:48 <Roy> Roy McElmurry, Eng, Facebook
10:14:57 <Roy> present+ Roy
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10:15:07 <newton> present+ newton
10:15:24 <newton> Newton Calegari, NIC.br
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10:15:44 <tantek> Micropub: https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/
10:15:47 <Loqi> [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
10:16:01 <tantek> Webmention: https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/
10:16:03 <Loqi> [Aaron Parecki] Webmention
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10:17:30 <Loqi> [@csarven] Will demo: https://www.w3.org/TR/ldn/ , https://solid.mit.edu/ , https://www.w3.org/annotation/ in https://dokie.li/ #TPAC2016 @SocialWebWG (http://twtr.io/1HFD4m8FeoH)
10:17:41 <jungkees> Present+ Jungkee_Song
10:18:15 <csarven> present+
10:18:16 <tantek> Activity Streams 2.0: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
10:18:18 <Loqi> [James M Snell] Activity Streams 2.0
10:19:01 <tantek> and Activity Vocabulary: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/
10:19:10 <Loqi> [James M Snell] Activity Vocabulary
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10:20:44 <tantek> ActivityPub: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/
10:20:47 <Loqi> [Christopher Allan Webber] ActivityPub
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10:29:56 <csarven> I'm http://csarven.ca/#i .. will demo Linked Data Notifications , Web Annotations, Solid + dokieli etc..
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10:32:11 <sandro> torgo: Does this all use Activity Streams2
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10:33:09 <sandro> cwebber2: Some of it does, but some bits use other formats, and AS2 is extensible
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10:35:37 <sandro> RRSAgent, who is here?
10:35:37 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'who is here'
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10:36:48 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
10:36:48 <Zakim> Present: tantek, aaronpk, OlivierThereaux, rhiaro, sandro, astearns, AnnBassetti, dka, bob, bailey, nandana, lbolstad, Ali_Alabbas, Roy, newton, Jungkee_Song, csarven
10:36:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see AnnBass, KevinMarks2, jungbin, newton, harry, Kangchan, dan, jungkees, plinss, dlissfeld, aliams, Roy, lbolstad, KjetilK, jay, paulcj, nandana, dka, astearns,
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10:40:56 <harry> q+ hhalpin
10:40:56 <Loqi> harry: elf-pavlik left you a message on 2015-08-25 at 10:15am UTC: we need host code to diall out from WebEx, could you please share it with sandro and chairs? thx! http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-08-25/line/1440522820835
10:40:56 <Loqi> harry: elf-pavlik left you a message on 2015-10-06 at 3:07am UTC: will you stay in Paris one of next days, I plan to stay around here for couple more days and we could meet up :) also http://www.xwiki.org team would like to discuss possibilities for interop
10:41:51 <aaronpk> q+ to demo
10:42:46 <tantek> ack hhalpin
10:43:28 <harry> So basically why would I choose one method over another?
10:43:39 <rhiaro> https://www.w3.org/TR/social-web-protocols
10:43:40 <harry> And are any choices more tightly bound to other technologies?
10:43:41 <Loqi> [Amy Guy] Social Web Protocols
10:44:16 <harry> So essentially we have 3 sets of specs that do the same thing?
10:44:24 <AnnBass> Sandro: this group is moving forward with multiple specs
10:44:31 <rhiaro> harry: no, there are overlaps, they're not all 1-1
10:44:37 <harry> And are specs are at CR?
10:44:55 <tantek> harry: Activity Streams, Micropub, ActivityPub are at CR
10:45:17 <tantek> q?
10:45:18 <AnnBass> AnnBass: recognizing that "social" interactions represent human interactions, which are varied and diverse
10:45:23 <harry> So can you can explain why you would chose one over another?
10:45:35 <sandro> yes, SWP does that
10:45:39 <tantek> harry yes that's in the document: https://www.w3.org/TR/social-web-protocols
10:45:41 <Loqi> [Amy Guy] Social Web Protocols
10:45:56 <tantek> q?
10:46:09 <harry> In that document, it seems the main difference between the spec stacks if do you use 'microformats, JSON, or RDF'?
10:46:20 <AnnBass> Amy Guy (rhiaro): I wrote the Social Web Protocols document to explain the relationship between these specs
10:46:22 <harry> That's not a human interaction issue, that's a protocol standard issue.
10:46:49 <tantek> harry - as rhiaro just said - they aren't separate stacks per se, but rather some work in combination, some overlap
10:47:06 <harry> But one would you chose one combination over another?
10:47:11 <harry> I don't believe my question was answered.
10:47:50 <tantek> harry - yes the social web protocols document helps answer that
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10:48:53 <harry> I've read that document and from my guess
10:48:59 <harry> it seems that there's no difference in the use-cases
10:49:08 <harry> The only difference seems to be a data format issue.
10:49:37 <harry> Or is there a use-case that one group of specs answers that another doesn't?
10:49:59 <tantek> q?
10:50:01 <sandro> Last I checked there's also an issue about whether the site needs to do more than serve static content.
10:50:02 <tantek> ack aaronpk
10:50:02 <Zakim> aaronpk, you wanted to demo
10:51:19 <olivier> q+
10:52:30 <AnnBass> Dan Applequist: how does this group anticipate dealing with current problem of abuses in social media
10:52:56 <sandro> q?
10:53:07 <bigbluehat> Present+ Benjamin_Young
10:53:13 <AnnBass> cwebber2: we are concerned; have talked about it; have a "block" activity built into Activity Streams, also used by Activity Pum
10:53:17 <tantek> q+ to demo RSVP post and Post Type Discovery https://www.w3.org/TR/post-type-discovery/
10:53:18 <Loqi> [Tantek Çelik] Post Type Discovery
10:53:23 <AnnBass> s/Pum/Pub/
10:53:28 <sandro> q?
10:54:20 <AnnBass> cwebber2: but that isn't enough; we need to do more research and effort on that topic. I hope we can continue on that work after this charter ends
10:55:09 <AnnBass> aaronpk: for example, Twitter has a lot of probs with this; I hope our efforts for decentralized tools will be more effective
10:55:23 <sandro> q?
10:55:28 <sandro> ack olivier
10:55:31 <KevinMarks2> One partial answer is distributed verification
10:56:20 <aaronpk> Here's the JSON link of all the mentions of the webmention spec https://webmention.io/api/mentions?target=https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/
10:56:23 <sandro> q?
10:56:30 <KevinMarks2> Using rel-me links to bind sites together to represent a person
10:58:32 <KevinMarks2> Vouch is a draft model to extend that to use following or previous mentions
10:59:38 <cwebber2> present~
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10:59:46 <olivier> Olivier: what would you say to "hypothetical big organisations" which may not get or feel threatened by decentralised approaches - to get them interested?
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11:00:34 <tantek> Post Type Discovery: https://www.w3.org/TR/post-type-discovery/
11:00:36 <Loqi> [Tantek Çelik] Post Type Discovery
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11:01:06 <cwebber2> I've been asked to put my answer to that previous question on irc
11:01:32 <dka> Too late for asking this but also interested in: these days a lot fo people are migrating to closed networks (a-la-slack) for group communications in part (I think) as a reaction to online “noise”/abuse on platforms like twitter and facebook, and seeking greater privacy.  Can the federated approach also model these types of closed-group networks?
11:01:33 <fabien_gandon> Present+ Fabien Gandon, interested in bridging Social Web and Semantic Web, http://fabien.info
11:02:02 <cwebber2> so: I think large organizations have benefitted from email, the web, and other large technologies, and I think that not having the web continue to be a decentralized system is in veryone's benefit, large and small
11:02:11 <csarven> fabien_gandon: Yes
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11:02:48 <csarven> Web Annotations (for most of the WA motivations), ActivityStreams in LDN
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11:05:04 <timbl_> My answer to Olivia -- it is possible that some silos will gravitate to trying to just dominate the client side, or the server side, of the new world, realizing that they can't be the whole world.
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11:46:03 <rhiaro> s/Olivia/olivier
11:46:12 <rhiaro> trackbot, end meeting
11:46:12 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
11:46:12 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been tantek, aaronpk, OlivierThereaux, rhiaro, sandro, astearns, AnnBassetti, dka, bob, bailey, nandana, lbolstad, Ali_Alabbas, Roy, newton,
11:46:15 <Zakim> ... Jungkee_Song, csarven, Benjamin_Young, cwebber, KjetilK, martin, raphael, vagner, plinss, Jungbin_Kim(Letsee), dezell, Fabien, Gandon, interested, bridging, Social, Web,
11:46:15 <Zakim> ... Semantic, http://fabien.info
11:46:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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