IRC log of matf on 2016-09-21

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... different application for different parts of the service
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... and received feedback
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... so they formed task forces to address
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present+ chunming
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Scribe: AWK
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Objective: share implementation practices from Alibaba
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blind users use screen readers to navigate, on PC and mobile devices
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presentation will share difficulties shared with team
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use case 1: picture - no description
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solution: alt attribute on img elements
14:40:46 [chunming]
present+ kepeng, IanPouncey, jeanne, patrick_h_lauke, AWK, QingAn
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case 2: verification code (CAPTCHA)
14:42:02 [patrick_h_lauke]
AWK: as the slide contains HTML, are your apps native or hybrid (e.g. using phonegap)
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screen reader users can't read it
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solution: voice verification or SMS code verification
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AWK: Which was better received?
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KL: Not completely sure, think Voice
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Case 3: Floating page
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focus issues, closing issues
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solution: ensure dialog is focused and able to be closed
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case 4: focus
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no focus on page, user can't select
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for each element, ensure focus with attribute
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case 5: controls
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missing labels
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solution: add labels
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case 6: missing labels
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solution: use for attribute
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Gap analysis
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In WCAG there is a need for more details
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more techniques!
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Next steps
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detailed drafts will be submitted to document the issues and practices
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AWK: These are the common issues, were there more
14:49:59 [patrick_h_lauke]
AWK: now that you've addressed things as per your slides, do you still have issues that users are reporting?
14:50:26 [chunming]
q+
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KL: yes, some issues addressed but there were more
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chunming: interested in the MATF
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... talked with Judy Brewer, told that we are increasing mobile guidance in WCAG
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... we may like to participate in effort
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PL: Issues seem to be largely in WCAG 2.0
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PL: seems to be following WCAG best practices well
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AWK: the SMS integration is a solution that is more mobile focused but increasingly available on desktop also
14:55:29 [jeanne]
https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-Extension/blob/gh-pages/SCs/m1.md
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IP: WCAG doesn't specifically speak to things like the dialog issue mentioned
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(floating page)
14:56:59 [patrick_h_lauke]
Patrick: here's some of the work we're doing specifically in the "Mobile" Accessibility Taskforce, particularly focused on different input modalitites https://gist.github.com/patrickhlauke/96110b10547770021e58f5098dd31087
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AWK: speaks to a need for more techniques
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PL: (sharing gist of current work of MATF)
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PL: moving to a situation where there are many modalities that need to be covered for input
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PL: currently in WCAG we have keyboard-specific items, but not touch
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PL: or pointer devices
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... also looking to address size of targets
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to ensure that they aren't too small
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... avoiding accidental activation also
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... and when running a keyboard and assistive technologies
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..input independence is also needed - can't rely on just one way to interact
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... for apps running in a closed environment (e.g. kiosk/ATM) may not need to support a keyboard if there is no way to add a keyboard
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.. The MATF also has SC proposals related to voice interaction
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...And related to device sensors
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... Some applications may rely on device sensors exclusively in some situations (e.g. a marble game where tilting the device is the game)
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Non-interference with assistive technologies is the final SC being proposed.
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IP: question: is that AT-specific?
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Section 508 has criteria that says to not interfere with user system settings
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PL: builds on that idea a bit
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KL: question b/c mobile devices don't have keyboards - how to handle?
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PL: can connect a keyboard via bluetooth and use it
15:14:58 [chunming]
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AWK: WCAG covers a lot of what you need to do for mobile device support, but more is needed and that is why we have the task force and the WCAG 2.1 effort
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PL: there are also issues for users who use mobile OS zoom features - some issues can occur when using mobile zoom and trying to pinch and zoom
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KL: which issues affect users who are blind or VI?
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PL: We don't generally differentiate since the success criteria impact more than one user type each
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JS: China has very active blind user group
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AWK: reiterating that with SCs we try to not differentiate by user group/disability
15:24:21 [jcraig]
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even if an SC may initially look/sound like it's only targeted at a particular disability, it has benefits well beyond those
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KL: why have a LVTF?
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KL: and why not a blind user TF specifically
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AWK: there was feeling from specifically LV users that felt WCAG 2.0 doesn't address very particular problems of LV
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which is why there is a user group/disability specific TF
15:26:43 [patrick_h_lauke]
jcraig yeah sorry it's not on the grid for some reason
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in 1.03 if you still want to pop in
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KL ;question about keyboard trap
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PL: explained
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...that keybaord trap and focus trap are the same issue
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s/keybaord/keyboard
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KL: how to contribute?
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... will go back to teams for more information
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AWK: everyone's help is needed! Welcome to join the group...
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