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10:09:18 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
10:09:18 Date: 19 September 2016
10:09:26 present+ paulc
10:10:31 test
10:10:35 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0094.html
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10:20:06 zakim, who is at the meeting?
10:20:06 I don't understand your question, paulc.
10:20:15 zakim, who is on the call?
10:20:15 Present: paulc
10:20:26 present: cwilso
10:20:36 present+ markw
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10:20:52 present+ ericc
10:21:32 zakim, who is on the call?
10:21:32 Present: cwilso, markw, cyril, ericc
10:23:08 Topic: Joint session with Web & TV IG to discuss MSE and EME status and additional use cases
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10:23:45 See minutes from joint meeting: http://www.w3.org/2016/09/19-webtv-minutes.html
10:24:15 Mark's presentation is here: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2016Sep/att-0021/2015-09-19_WebTVIntro_v2_.pdf
10:24:42 paulc: We spent so much time talking about getting V1 done that we failed to look at the specific V2 use cases
10:25:31 See additional uses cases: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0091.html
10:26:25 Discussion of the uses cases is pending.
10:26:29 Topic: WG Decision for MSE Proposed Recommendation
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10:27:15 WG Decision is here: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0093.html
10:27:26 Paul and Philippe are preparing the transition request.
10:28:58 We expect to get an MSE Recommendation by early November and that would required a charter extension until about Nov 15.
10:29:27 Topic: MSE Editorial issues
10:31:35 ISSUE-159 and ISSUE-163 need to be applied before the PR transition is done.
10:32:10 Topic: MSE Registry publication as WG notes
10:32:30 Philippe plans to publish these WG Notes at the same time as the Proposed Recommendation
10:32:56 Topic: MSE test suite and results
10:33:10 We believe we have sufficient evidence to proceed to PR.
10:34:17 Paul will check with Matt about WebIDL tests: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0052.html
10:34:43 Topic: MSE summary
10:34:48 Actions:
10:35:06 1. Paul and Philippe to generate transition request for Proposed Recommendation
10:35:23 2. Matt or Editors to apply editorial fixes for issue 159 and 163
10:35:43 3. Paul to check with Matt on on status of WebIDL tests
10:35:57 4. Philippe to request charter extension for MSE until about Nov 15.
10:36:39 Topic: EME V1Editorial issues
10:36:41 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/milestones/V1Editorial
10:37:10 Only the registry SOTD issue is open: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/183
10:37:36 Topic: EME NonBlocking issues
10:38:04 ISSUE-312: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/312
10:38:04 Notes added to ISSUE-312 .
10:38:28 David has prepared a PR for this issue.
10:46:30 We need the browser implementers to express their opinion on whether they support David's change to a MUST here.
10:47:50 ISSUE-329: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/329
10:47:50 Notes added to ISSUE-329 .
10:48:43 There is an editorial pull request. David is discussing with Philippe.
10:48:49 David is working on PR https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/pull/330
10:49:26 Topic: Other EME issues
10:49:35 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/85 is awaiting interop evidence
10:50:25 Test data is that no browser is 100% compliant. Edge's implementation is still buggy.
10:51:16 We do not have two implementations yet.
10:51:39 We need to decide how to handle this at risk feature.
10:52:33 Mark: We need a consistent rule based on testing results and how they impact features in the spec.
10:53:00 Polyfill test works with Edge but that is only one implementation.
10:53:37 Topic: EME test suite
10:53:43 Latest test results: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/85
10:54:01 Actually see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0084.html
10:55:22 Status: Test files without 2 passes: 34; Subtests without 2 passes: 53; Failure level: 53/220 (24.09%)
10:55:39 Test files: 70; Total subtests: 220
10:59:28 From the less than 2 results: http://w3c.github.io/test-results/encrypted-media/less-than-2.html
10:59:46 a) We need to convert the Google tests before evaluating these failures
11:00:41 b) Keystatus results pass on Chrome but fail on FF and Edge for different reasons
11:01:30 Edge bug has been filed but Mark does not have a useful URL
11:01:35 FF bug needs to be filed.
11:03:06 c) Persistent usage and Persistent license need reviewing since we don't have two implementations
11:03:33 Persistent is implemented in Chrome OS. It might be in Edge and this needs to be checked.
11:03:46 s/Persistent/Persisten license/
11:04:05 Persistent usage record is only implemented in Edge and is not compliant.
11:05:32 Deleting the presistent usage record and persistent license features would leave only temporary session types.
11:06:50 d) Event sequences are not completely compliant on several browsers because they don't do what the spec says.
11:07:56 Note also the outstanding test suite PRs: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Apr%20is%3Aopen%20label%3Aencrypted-media
11:08:47 Topic: Additional EME testing
11:08:49 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0089.html
11:09:36 see Paul's list of pending/outstanding test work:
11:09:36 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0092.html
11:11:19 Mark and Stefan (from CTA WAVE project) will reply to Paul's email with a testing work plan.
11:12:12 Topic: Formal objections on EME
11:12:14 https://dev.w3.org/html5/status/formal-objection-status.html
11:14:56 Topic: MSE and EME timeline and charter discussion
11:15:20 As per above it appears that we need until about Nov 15 to get MSE to Recommendation
11:15:44 Topic: Use of polyfill tests
11:16:20 Jerry is working on a version of the test results that added Mark's polyfill code to fix bugs in an implementation
11:16:44 Mark: We need to decide how to use these kinds of test results
11:18:05 MArk: We have some larger Javascript "patches" for entire features and if these are the only implementation then they will be harder to use
11:19:02 We will ask Jerry to generate results that use polyfills that fix bug in browsers implementations.
11:19:28 In addition there are some additional bugs that might be able to be fixed by additional polyfills.
11:19:55 Mark will look into the new polyfils (when the new testing help is on board and doing other work).
11:20:19 rrsagent, generate the minutes
11:20:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/19-html-media-minutes.html paulc
11:20:35 Topic: MSE and EME timeline and charter discussion (2)
11:20:49 We talked about the EME status this morning at the joint meeting.
11:21:53 We need to engage quickly to generate a broader test suite, generate the results from the test suite, decide what feature are not intoperable, decide if we need to cut features and give Philippe a firm schedule on a Proposed Recommendation.
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11:22:08 We are up against a deadline of our charter expiry on Sep 30.
11:22:26 Philippe last week stated that he wanted a timetable and plan by this week.
11:34:56 rrsagent, generate the minutes
11:34:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/19-html-media-minutes.html paulc
11:37:30 Attendance at meeting:
11:37:40 Paul Cotton, Microsoft (Chair)
11:37:47 Chris Wilson, Google
11:38:03 Cyril Concolato, Telecom Paris Tech
11:38:16 Satoshi Nishimura, NHK
11:38:26 Kazuhiro Hoya, JBA
11:38:32 Eric Carlson, Apple
11:38:38 Mark Watson, Netflix
11:38:47 Gary Kacmarcik, Google
11:38:56 Mike Assenti, Dolby
11:39:04 rrsagent, generate the minutes
11:39:04 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/19-html-media-minutes.html paulc
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