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14:56:23 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:56:23 Date: 13 September 2016
14:56:28 present+ paulc
14:56:38 present+ Kaz
14:57:13 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0059.html
14:57:19 Chair: paulc
14:57:23 Scribe: paulc
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15:02:42 Regrets: Philippe, Mark Vickers, Francois
15:03:17 zakim, who is on the call?
15:03:17 Present: paulc, Kaz, ddorwin, markw, MattWolenetzx
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15:03:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/13-html-media-minutes.html paulc
15:03:49 Topic: HME WG F2F meeting, Lisbon, Mon-Tue Sep 19-20
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15:04:08 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0043.html
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15:04:37 Suggestion is to hold a joint Web & TV IG and HME WG meeting to discuss future use cases on Monday morning.
15:04:55 So attendees should find the Web & TV IG meeting space for that joint meeting
15:05:41 paulc: does the Web & TV IG have used cases?
15:06:00 Kaz: The Web & TV IG's task force may have use cases
15:06:35 ... I want to talk to MArk Vickers about older use cases from Sapporo TPAC
15:07:05 paulc: I believe the WAVE community plans to submit new use cases ASAP
15:07:35 s/MArk/Mark/
15:07:47 ... This will be "unconference like" session with the agenda determined at the start of the joint meeting
15:08:36 paulc will coordinate with Web & TV IG chairs on this session
15:08:49 Matt: Pleae ensure there are good notes for non-attendees
15:08:53 Paulc: Will do
15:09:08 s/Pleae/Please/
15:09:30 Topic: MSE Editorial issues, MSE Editors
15:09:52 https://github.com/w3c/media-source/milestones/V1Editorial
15:11:01 https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/159 will be triaged at V1Editorial and will be done as before we transition to PR
15:11:19 Jerry will prepare a pull request and Matt will review so we have this change ready.
15:12:13 https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/157 is also untriaged
15:12:43 ISSUE-157 is marked as V1NonBlocking
15:12:59 Chair: How do we handle this?
15:13:33 Matt: If the registry can be updated separate from MSE then I can do a pull request for this.
15:13:54 Chair: Matt should coordinate with Philippe since the MSE Registry work is still pending
15:14:14 Jerry: I have information now and will respond today
15:14:46 Matt: I will assign 157 to Jerry and will close with no action my PR 158
15:15:13 Topic: MSE Registry publication as WG notes, Philippe
15:15:36 This is still pending and plh told me he would guarantee that it does not hold up MSE's transition
15:15:51 See https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/74
15:16:08 Topic: CfC for MSE Proposed Recommendation closes Fri Sep 16
15:16:24 There has been support but no dissent yet.
15:16:38 tps://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0053.html
15:17:24 s/tps:/https:/
15:17:35 Due to the AC meeting next week and the publication moratorium I am expecting the PR transition to occur either in Lisbon or after the TPAC week. Publication of the PR to the AC would likely occur in late Sep or early Oct.
15:17:51 FTR the usual PR review period for the AC is 6 weeks
15:18:08 Topic: MSE test suite and results
15:18:30 plh tells me the WebIDL new results are integrated as are recent Firefox results
15:18:55 Chair: Any outstanding test results?
15:19:12 Matt: Do we need more text track testing?
15:19:43 Chair: Can you send an email about text track testing to indicate what tests exist and which part of the spec is not tested.
15:20:07 Matt: I will start a new thread on the public-html-media email list
15:20:24 see Text tracks: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues/3673
15:21:07 MAtt: There are some WebIDL differences but these are outside of MSE and are more general problems
15:21:50 David: There are diffences on how Blink handles some semantic tests that actually test the webidl generator
15:25:38 MAtt: The implementation report is slightly out of date. Matt will identify the work that still needs to be added.
15:25:56 Topic: EME Editorial issues, EME Editors
15:26:23 ISsue-317 and 320 were outstanding as of yesterday
15:26:37 David: there is PR for 320 that needs to be reviewed
15:27:04 ... issue-317 needs to be cleaned up
15:27:31 ... issue-183 - we need to discuss his with Philippe
15:27:58 Chair: plh told me yesterday that 183 is certainlly not going to blocked EME
15:28:37 Chair: We need to simply decide if any changes to the registry SOTD are required.
15:28:57 Topic: EME NonBlocking issues, EME Editors
15:29:10 Issue-242 has a PR that needs to be reviewed
15:29:41 David: I opend Issue-312 in response to one of the objection threads but no one has responded.
15:30:06 David: We are done the Editorial and Nonblocking items once the PRs are handled.
15:30:35 Topic: Other EME issues
15:30:39 ISSUE-85: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/85
15:30:39 Notes added to ISSUE-85 .
15:31:15 Chair: The last time we touched on ISSUE-85 we said we were waiting for interop testing
15:31:57 Topic: EME at risk features
15:32:14 David: persistent usage record - pending testing results
15:32:50 David: is the current status that Edge is the only browser that can pass?
15:33:18 Mark: This is the same for many tests so we have a general discussion item here
15:33:40 Mark: ... mentioned use of various polyfills for some of these tests
15:34:09 Mark: keystatus is not working the same on more than one browser
15:35:04 Mark: We need to agree on how to handle features that only pass on only one browser
15:35:49 David: If we have features that don't pass testing then we either have to wait for changing implementations or take the features out and repeat CR
15:36:28 Chair: Did't we agree to have this discussion AFTER we completed the conversion of the Google tests?
15:36:31 Mark: Yes
15:37:10 Mark: There are quite a few of things that are not passing and this could either be bad tests, bugs in implementations, etc.
15:37:42 Mark: There will likely be some features that don't have two implementations
15:38:13 David: Have we reorganized the test suite so that the tests don't distinguish on key system?
15:38:35 Mark: I will check into whether the most recent results are merged
15:38:47 David: Chrome55 has better WebIDL results
15:39:06 ... if you want to get those results
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15:51:25 Chair: Paul provided an oral summary for late arriving plh
15:51:49 plh: We need to review the Netflix tests
15:52:13 plh: I know how long we need to finish MSE but it is NOT clear how to handle our charter for EME
15:52:28 plh: We need to know our timeline for EME before the end of TPAC
15:53:04 plh: We run a risk of not getting EME done if we don't have a clearer plan for EME testing
15:53:28 plh: We need someone to step up for reviewing the Netflix migration tests
15:53:51 Jerry: MSFT will review Netflix converted tests but we don't have the resources to do the conversion themselves
15:54:34 plh: we need to have the timeline at TPAC
15:55:28 plh: And if mark is right that we don't have all features implemented then the problem is bigger - the timetable is very fuzzy
15:56:10 plh: It is NOT clear how the Director would react to a request for 6 month extension to charter to get better test results
15:56:39 plh: I am not picking on today's attendees that are doing the work. We need other to step up to do the testing work.
15:57:16 Matt: Will the uncertainty for EME impact MSE?
15:57:42 plh: No. It appears that we can get a MSE recommendation by the end of October.
15:58:00 plh: We need to also discuss how to do any future work on MSE.
15:58:19 plh: We need to figure out how the uncertainty of EME does not impact MSE.
15:58:54 plh: The policitical pressure on EME is increasing. Remember that I warned that we needed to get done by the end of Sept.
15:59:18 Mark: Do you ahve comment on where EME V2 would be done?
15:59:55 plh: That topic needs to wait until we have a clearer story on EME V1
16:00:31 Mark: Maybe the story for V2 will influence people's views on how to handle lack of interop on EME V1
16:01:21 Chair: IS there anyone on the call that can help with converting the outstanding 14 Google tests?
16:01:39 Mark: Netflix will help but we need time to get thru them all
16:03:32 Chair: What is the latest date you can use to collect data for a charter extension?
16:03:46 plh: Sep 27
16:04:51 plh: If the Director does not give a charter extension he might tell the WG to publish EME as a WG Note
16:05:24 paulc: If EME was published as a WG Note could it be published with a license that would permit others to use the content?
16:05:34 plh: That could be considered.
16:06:24 plh: Patent commitments only apply to Recommendations and therefore any patent obligations on EME would be released
16:06:57 David: We may need to engage Firefox on the Clear Key tests
16:07:55 David: The Keystatus tests were working on Chrome
16:07:56 s/engage Firefox on the Clear Key tests/engage Firefox on the Key Status tests, especially for Clear Key since Edge does not support Key Status/
16:10:26 Chair: We need to have a clear list of work tiems for EME testing
16:11:17 plh: It is possible to add people to the owner file for just EME. Just let plh know. You will get pinged by GitHub when there is a new PR.
16:11:44 plh: You may need to manually tell Github that you want futher updates on the PR
16:12:20 David: You will be added as a reviewer to new PRs if you are in the owners file.
16:12:46 Jerry: I will publish the updated results today
16:13:30 David: Then I will start a thread with the Editors the gap list for implementations based on a shorter less than two list.
16:13:48 Mark: I will give the conversion of tests updates as well
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