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14:04:10 <trackbot> Meeting: Efficient XML Interchange Working Group Teleconference
14:04:10 <trackbot> Date: 13 September 2016
14:04:18 <taki> scribe: TK
14:04:23 <taki> scribeNick: taki
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14:18:18 <brutzman> chair: taki
14:18:31 <taki> DP: How Liam and Carine can support us in promoting EXI in W3C at large.
14:18:45 <taki> DP: We should find a way how to move on...
14:19:14 <taki> DP: Not only technical side.
14:19:44 <taki> DB: Working group strategy?
14:20:01 <taki> DP: Right. Support from people outside the group.
14:20:23 <taki> DB: Commucating our progress.
14:20:39 <taki> DP: Make people aware what we are doing and what we have achieved.
14:20:46 <brutzman> Also an opportunity to ask W3C for support where that can help, inviting further member participation, etc.
14:21:10 <taki> DP: Let's discuss with Liam first, and first get his opinion on how we progressed.
14:21:46 <brutzman> How to best have this dialog? maybe we should prepare a presentation that summarizes progress and plans
14:22:24 <taki> DP: We will want to chat with Liam at TPAC.
14:24:27 <brutzman> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/
14:26:26 <brutzman> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/schedule.html looks like you have the room all day Monday-Tuesday
14:27:52 <brutzman> 8 hours difference between California and Lisbon time zones
14:30:00 <brutzman> best times for me are Tuesday 1400 or 1300, Lisbon time
14:30:30 <brutzman> ... otherwise I am committed with presentations at local conferences
14:31:47 <brutzman> i can also try earlier on Tuesday - might not be fully awake though!
14:34:41 <taki> CB: At TPAC, W3C will announce organizational changes.
14:35:03 <taki> CB: will abandon domains.
14:35:27 <taki> CB: Chairs can also talk to other chairs.
14:37:01 <taki> DP: TPAC is usually a good way to talk to people.
14:38:24 <taki> DP: Is there going to be reports in AC meetings from each domain lead?
14:38:56 <taki> CB: But there is no domain any more.
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14:39:39 <taki> CB: We will have Project management, strategy management, etc.
14:40:15 <taki> CB: I saw domains as barriers between groups.
14:43:32 <taki> CB: Membership has to become more vocal.
14:44:13 <caribou> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2016/SessionIdeas
14:48:25 <taki> TK: Let's ask Liam if he is available Tuesday afternoon to sit down with us for talk, and DB will be able to remotely dial-in.
14:49:43 <taki> TOPIC: Canonical EXI
14:50:31 <taki> TK: Thank you Carine for making the style change.
14:50:42 <taki> TK: I plan to do the final review before TPAC.
14:51:05 <taki> DP: Then, we can make publication decision during TPAC, right?
14:51:12 <taki> TK: That is a good idea.
14:54:49 <liam> [i believe i'll be available on Tuesday afternoon, or can be]
14:55:28 <taki> TOPIC: JavaScript support
14:55:59 <taki> DP: Ben provided a page that converts JavaScript into JSON.
14:56:24 <taki> DP: The generated JSON is verbose.
14:58:19 <dape> json schema for Esprima AST, https://github.com/toyatech/esschema
14:58:58 <dape> https://github.com/toyatech/esschema/blob/master/esschema.json
14:59:02 <taki> DP: JSON schema shown in this page is not up-to-date.
14:59:57 <brutzman_> i agree that this is very significant for us.  for some time it seemed like Javascript compression was out of reach... however that work maps arbitrary Javascript -> JSON by expressing the output of a compiler parse tree
15:02:28 <brutzman_> Of related interest: Brendan Eich (initial developer of Javascript) blog, From ASM.JS to WebAssembly https://brendaneich.com/2015/06/from-asm-js-to-webassembly/
15:02:52 <brutzman_> ... Don McGregor was showing me that yesterday
15:03:41 <brutzman_> if nothing else, we can conclude at this point that compression of Javascript is an important topic to continue considering
15:05:15 <brutzman_> Web Assembly Community Group https://www.w3.org/community/webassembly/
15:06:38 <brutzman_> "The mission of this group is to promote early-stage cross-browser collaboration on a new, portable, size- and load-time-efficient format suitable for compilation to the web."  (661 participants)
15:08:46 <brutzman_> just posted an initial draft - Candidate topics for EXI strategy summary at TPAC https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-exi-wg/2016Sep/thread.html
15:10:51 <brutzman_> of note: significant progress 2016, OWP strategy is clearly achievable in coming year, and pursuit of XML Security strategy is now actionable
15:11:47 <brutzman_> also of note: WoT support also possible, if we start measuring performance and power savings it may become quite significant
15:12:29 <taki> DP: I am more concerned with how to make us more visible.
15:13:22 <taki> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/exi/actions/729
15:13:22 <brutzman_> issue: EXI remains a well-kept secret, major progress is occurring despite minimal participation by members and public.
15:13:22 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-119 - Exi remains a well-kept secret, major progress is occurring despite minimal participation by members and public..  Please complete additional details at <https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/exi/issues/119/edit>.
15:13:55 <brutzman_> oops! didn't intentionlly create that issue, but maybe it is a good idea anyway  8)
15:14:51 <taki> TK: We can make a progress on action action-729
15:15:55 <brutzman_> s/intentionlly/intentionally/
15:16:09 <taki> TK: We can discuss how to finalize EXI4JSON work.
15:17:41 <brutzman_> candidate rename issue 119, Publicizing EXI capabilities and opportunities
15:17:52 <brutzman_> ... or we can delete it
15:18:18 <brutzman_> ... but if we keep it, we can say "oh right, telling everyone about EXI was an accident"  8)
15:18:38 <brutzman_> ... but we did it anyway  8)
15:21:51 <brutzman_> i updated issue 119, we can look at it again next time. https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/exi/issues/119
15:23:27 <taki> DP: Outreach is an important topic at TPAC.
15:23:41 <taki> DP: For example, measurement document.
15:24:51 <brutzman_> colleagues: how would you like this prepared for TPAC?  might a brief slideset help?
15:29:40 <brutzman_> feel free to call me for TPAC session, my cell phone will be nearby.  dreaming of EXI!   :)
15:30:42 <taki> rrsagent, create minutes
15:30:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/13-exi-minutes.html taki