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14:51:16 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:51:16 <trackbot> Date: 12 September 2016
14:51:23 <ivan> Chair: Tzviya
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14:59:07 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2016Sep/0012.html
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15:02:33 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
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15:02:58 <dauwhe> all: daisy format scribing would be awesome
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15:03:20 <dauwhe> ivan: brings reality crashing down on our heads
15:03:23 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+ Bill_Kasdorf
15:03:29 <cmaden2> We’ve all agreed to be recorded; check the WebEx terms of use.
15:04:01 <dauwhe> George: you get a complete navigable document!
15:04:29 <dauwhe> ivan: we've thought about a recording on the 2nd session after lunch on Tuesday
15:04:47 <dauwhe> tzviya: we can work it out (beatles music playing in the background)
15:04:52 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/2016/08/22-dpub-minutes.html
15:04:57 <dauwhe> ... let's look at the minutes
15:05:10 <dauwhe> ivan: they were perfect
15:05:30 <dauwhe> tzviya: we talked about Markus leaving, which makes us all infinitely sad
15:05:44 <dauwhe> ... minutes approved.
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15:05:54 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Sep_2016_F2F_Logistics_and_Details#Agenda
15:05:55 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/4ce0468d63c243248b244f93ca570a0a@AUS-WNMBP-005-n.wiley.com
15:05:55 <dauwhe> ... topic: agenda for TPAC
15:06:02 <dauwhe> ... some meetings require a detailed agenda
15:06:17 <tzviya>  https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Detailed_TPAC_2016_Agenda
15:06:24 <dauwhe> ... you might find your name in the agenda, with a request for more detail
15:06:32 <ivan> Topic: TPAC Agenda
15:06:38 <dauwhe> ... we have a meeting with WCAG
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15:06:59 <Karen> present+ Karen
15:07:09 <dauwhe> tzviya: we could talk about the note charles and deborah put together
15:07:21 <dauwhe> ... the work on the automated checker, the work EPUB is doing
15:07:24 <Bert> present+
15:07:26 <dauwhe> ... we have an hour or so
15:07:40 <ivan> Present+
15:07:50 <PeterK> present+ Peter Krautzberger
15:07:57 <dauwhe> ... if other people have specific things, talk to Avneesh
15:08:10 <dauwhe> Avneesh: we want to talk about starting points. An hour will be fine.
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15:08:31 <dauwhe> ivan: we have fifteen minutes doing nothing
15:08:37 <dauwhe> tzviya: the morning meetings can run over
15:08:37 <laudrain> present+ Luc
15:08:50 <astearns> astearns has changed the topic to: 2016/09/12 agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2016Sep/0012.html
15:09:08 <dauwhe> tzviya: the next detailed agenda is the meeting with the CSS Working Group
15:09:39 <dauwhe> ... we might want to narrow the scope
15:10:12 <dauwhe> ... most important topic is how to successfully collaborate
15:10:29 <dauwhe> ... we have some new members with experience in this area
15:10:38 <dauwhe> ... please contribute to the agenda!
15:10:53 <dauwhe> (crickets)
15:11:18 <dauwhe> brady_duga: Dave sent me an email. For me the important thing is Houdini
15:11:44 <tzviya> q?
15:11:54 <ivan> q+
15:12:03 <dauwhe> dauwhe: I mentioned houdini quite a bit :)
15:12:13 <dauwhe> tzviya: CSSWG wants proof of concept
15:12:33 <tzviya> ack iv
15:12:42 <dauwhe> ivan: I'm looking at CSS list
15:12:54 <dauwhe> ... many of these are related to Houdini work
15:13:10 <dauwhe> ... the one that seems to be separate is the media queries for MathML question
15:13:19 <dauwhe> ... alan, is this worth discussing?
15:13:55 <dauwhe> tzviya: the question of media queries is an important one, also relates to ARIA
15:14:04 <dauwhe> ... using MQ for extended descriptions
15:14:17 <dauwhe> ... perhaps we could talk about the extensibility of MQs
15:14:22 <dauwhe> astearns: that might be promising
15:14:31 <dauwhe> ... both MQ issues could be wrapped up into one
15:14:41 <dauwhe> ... where we talk about new approaches to MQs
15:14:56 <dauwhe> ... but knowing the interested players and who to bring into the discussions would be helpful
15:15:03 <tzviya> q?
15:15:10 <dauwhe> tzviya: any other thoughts for css
15:15:21 <dauwhe> ivan: what about FO?
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15:18:24 <dauwhe> various: we can have a very short conversation avoiding tech details
15:19:02 <dauwhe> tzviya: someone added something about the pwp draft
15:19:06 <dauwhe> ivan: that was me
15:19:14 <dauwhe> tzviya: there were some tracker issues
15:19:28 <ivan> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dpub-pwp/sync-with-ucr/index.html
15:19:40 <dauwhe> ivan: I began to do a bunch of work on a new version
15:20:02 <dauwhe> ... it's in a separate branch right now
15:20:40 <dauwhe> tzviya: the other session is "towards a working group"
15:20:54 <dauwhe> ... as y'all know, there's talk of an idpf+w3c merger
15:21:06 <dauwhe> ... there will probably be news early next week
15:21:26 <dauwhe> garth: I'm the noisy one; I did some updates to that document
15:21:32 <dauwhe> ... I used the word "combination"
15:22:00 <dauwhe> ... whoever put the testing thing in there, reveal thyself and lead the discussion!~
15:22:13 <dauwhe> tzviya: I'm not sure I see all your changes
15:22:23 <dauwhe> garth: refresh the wiki page
15:23:02 <dauwhe> tzviya: this group or some variation of this group will become a working group; the question is next steps
15:23:26 <dauwhe> ... there's a testing discussion
15:23:36 <dauwhe> ... feel free to add things to the wiki
15:24:13 <dauwhe> ivan: some IDPF board folks will be at that meeting, and some from the strategic discussion at w3c
15:24:21 <dauwhe> ... emphasis should be on long-term where we want to go
15:24:30 <dauwhe> tzviya: ralph and wendy will be there
15:24:37 <dauwhe> ... and most of the IDPF board will be there
15:25:06 <dauwhe> ... there's the thursday pub community meeting
15:25:14 <dauwhe> ... on friday I'm presenting to POE
15:25:21 <dauwhe> ... ARIA on thursday and friday
15:25:37 <dauwhe> ivan: brace yourselves; you will be exhausted at the end of the week
15:25:38 <tzviya> q?
15:25:49 <dauwhe> ivan: the wednesday is big madness day
15:25:59 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2016/SessionIdeas#Positive_Work_Environment_Task_Force
15:26:09 <dauwhe> ... after a short morning intro, all kinds of sessions are proposed
15:26:17 <astearns> "big madness" = unconference
15:26:18 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2016
15:27:08 <dauwhe> tzviya: there are lots of proposed sessions; Dave and I proposed one about manifests and publishing
15:27:17 <dauwhe> ... lots of interesting proposals already
15:27:29 <astearns> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2016/FAQ for more details on how Wednesday is organized
15:27:36 <dauwhe> ... there will be one about annotations and ???
15:27:44 <dauwhe> ... and there will be one on Music and  MusicML
15:27:50 <tzviya> s/???/ASF
15:28:09 <dauwhe> tzviya: do people want to call in for TPAC?
15:28:12 <bigbluehat> s/ASF/ASF (the Apache Software Foundation)
15:28:19 <dauwhe> deborah: I would like to call in
15:28:25 <david_stroup> Yes
15:29:08 <dauwhe> ivan: it would be good to have more names, so I know if I have to set up US times only
15:29:53 <dauwhe> tzviya: EPUB31 has been published as a public draft, wiht a formal call for review
15:30:02 <tzviya> http://idpf.org/news/call-for-review-public-draft-of-epub-31
15:30:02 <dauwhe> ... this similar to ... something.
15:30:17 <dauwhe> ... y'all can log issues in github
15:30:44 <dauwhe> ... there are hundreds of issues on Github, being dealt with by the saintly Matt Garrish
15:31:09 <dauwhe> ... housekeeping
15:31:19 <dauwhe> ivan: we did not talk about UCR
15:31:35 <dauwhe> tzviya: I skipped the most important thing on the agenda
15:31:46 <dauwhe> ... heather, can you update us on UCR?
15:32:07 <HeatherF> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp-ucr/
15:32:20 <dauwhe> HeatherF: go to github.io link, you'll see an edited version from last week
15:32:28 <dauwhe> ... section numbers etc did change
15:32:37 <dauwhe> ... there are 22 things I need to put in as issues
15:33:12 <dauwhe> ... some things don't come across as either requirements or use cases, so need work
15:33:32 <dauwhe> ... I hope to get them into github issues, but I was making jam.
15:33:40 <dauwhe> ... fruit waits for no one.
15:33:48 <Karen> +1 jam making :)
15:33:56 <ivan> +1
15:33:57 <dauwhe> ... feedback welcome
15:34:05 <ivan> q+
15:34:08 <tzviya> ack iv
15:34:32 <dauwhe> ivan: huge +1 to Heather, it's been improved a lot!
15:34:46 <dauwhe> ... section headers and descriptions are now separated
15:35:17 <dauwhe> ... I have the green light from the web master who have checked the doc
15:35:29 <dauwhe> ... official publication will happen tomorrow during the euroday
15:35:56 <dauwhe> tzviya: heather made some phenomenol major changes
15:36:12 <dauwhe> ... the fundamental use cases are broken into two sections, author+reader and implementation
15:36:37 <dauwhe> ... we can work through some of the issues at tpac
15:36:53 <dauwhe> HeatherF: if someone wants to do a diff, it probably won't work
15:37:29 <dauwhe> ivan: there is an html output diff program, but the changes are probably too much
15:38:10 <dauwhe> HeatherF: I think this is a perfectly good FPWD
15:38:17 <dauwhe> tzviya: thank you Heather!
15:38:24 <dauwhe> tzviya: comments? concerns?
15:38:51 <garth> EPUB 3.1 Public Review link at "http://idpf.org/news/call-for-review-public-draft-of-epub-31" seems okay to me.
15:39:05 <dauwhe> tzviya: file issues. and let's get the word to the street that this is being published!
15:39:14 <dauwhe> ivan: write a blog if you want!
15:39:36 <dauwhe> tzviya: there's a link to epub that doesn't work
15:39:42 <dauwhe> ivan: issue, please.
15:39:43 <tzviya> q?
15:39:53 <dauwhe> tzviya: I have an announcement
15:40:08 <PeterK> congratulations!
15:40:08 <Karen> Congratulations, Tzviya!
15:40:11 <david_stroup> Congrats!!
15:40:24 <garth> Strange that Tzviya announcement in the "housekeeping" item.
15:40:28 <garth> But congratuations!
15:40:28 <HeatherF> Yay! Go, team Tzviya!
15:40:30 <boris_anthony> congrats!
15:40:40 <Karen> :)
15:40:42 <PeterK> and together they shall rule the galaxy.
15:40:46 <HeatherF> STart 'em young!
15:41:19 <boris_anthony> o/
15:41:20 <dauwhe> tzviya: we'll see many of you next week
15:41:20 <PeterK> bye!
15:41:26 <HeatherF> Safe travels, for all who are traveling!
15:42:33 <astearns> On the topic of diffing editorial changes - using semantic line feeds consistently helps *a lot*
15:42:34 <astearns> http://rhodesmill.org/brandon/2012/one-sentence-per-line/
15:43:26 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:43:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/12-dpub-minutes.html ivan
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