13:55:26 RRSAgent has joined #dap 13:55:26 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/09/08-dap-irc 13:55:28 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:55:28 Zakim has joined #dap 13:55:30 Zakim, this will be DAP 13:55:30 ok, trackbot 13:55:31 Meeting: Device and Sensors Working Group Teleconference 13:55:31 Date: 08 September 2016 13:55:37 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2016Sep/0002.html 13:55:38 Chair: Dom 13:55:42 Regrets: Frederick 14:00:59 Present+ Andrey_Logvinov 14:01:05 Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux 14:03:45 anssik has joined #dap 14:03:54 Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen 14:04:49 Topic: Minutes approval 14:04:55 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 25 Aug 2016 are approved, 14:04:55 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2016Aug/0029.html 14:05:05 Topic: Battery 14:05:27 Anssi: no news from marcos or domenic 14:06:14 ... I'll ping marcos 14:06:30 Topic: Vibration 14:07:06 Dom: thanks for sending the gamepad reqs https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2016Sep/0002.html 14:07:32 ... what conclusions should we draw from it on the need for a v2? 14:07:40 anssi: not sure yet, will need to look more into it 14:07:49 ... probably useful fodder for the VR workshop 14:07:59 ... we can put that topic on hold until we hear more 14:08:54 Topic: Concrete Sensors 14:09:43 ACTION: Dom to send transition request for FPWD of concrete sensors 14:09:43 Created ACTION-772 - Send transition request for fpwd of concrete sensors [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2016-09-15]. 14:11:18 Anssi: implementation status updates: we have a working implementation and have a compass demo webapp which we will show at TPAC 14:11:34 ... we'll share our implementation feedback, as well as a developer feedback 14:12:10 dom: so that confirms that the generic sensor provides a useful framework for new sensors, right? 14:12:21 anssi: indeed; we'll share more at TPAC 14:12:42 ... as long as the sensors themselves are exposed at the platform level 14:13:26 dom: any interest in getting these implementations to ship in browsers? 14:13:45 anssi: we had sent an intent to implement (which doesn't need approval), which got some positive support 14:14:00 ... the next level is intent to ship which needs approval from the relevant owner 14:14:11 ... my impression is that there is support, no known concern 14:14:21 ... the only concern is about other browser vendors commitment 14:14:36 ... I mentioned this work started from an issue raised by mozilla 14:15:31 https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!searchin/blink-dev/intent$20to$20implement$20gyroscope/blink-dev/_IReUkNKF6o/S1GCeqxMAAAJ 14:16:17 anssi: we also know another major browser vendor is actively looking at this 14:17:06 dom: what's your views on the privacy/permission issues? 14:17:22 anssi: we haven't looked at that aspect yet - we've focused on the implementation aspects 14:17:39 ... that's next on our list - pretty much a requirement for shipping any way 14:17:54 ... that's probably something worth discussing during our TPAC meeting 14:18:03 ... I'd like to get experts from PING if they're around 14:18:44 dom: would be worth finding someone explicitly from PING 14:19:18 ACTION: Dom to find a PING person for joining us at TPAC for discussion on privacy 14:19:18 Created ACTION-773 - Find a ping person for joining us at tpac for discussion on privacy [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2016-09-15]. 14:19:44 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-review-announce/ 14:20:03 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2016JulSep/0081.html 14:22:20 Topic: WakeLock API 14:22:35 https://github.com/w3c/wake-lock/issues/85 14:22:54 https://github.com/w3c/ping/blob/master/wake-lock-privacy.md 14:23:54 ACTION: Andrey to transfer https://github.com/w3c/ping/blob/master/wake-lock-privacy.md as github issues 14:23:54 Created ACTION-774 - Transfer https://github.com/w3c/ping/blob/master/wake-lock-privacy.md as github issues [on Andrey Logvinov - due 2016-09-15]. 14:26:26 Andrew: I'll be looking at the issues that have been submitted and make proposals for ways forward 14:26:47 Toipc: TPAC 14:27:03 -> https://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/LisbonF2F2016#Agenda Proposed Agenda for TPAC F2F 14:27:45 Anssi: planned for 1.5 days since Monday afternoon has interesting CG meetings (bluetooth & webnfc) 14:28:56 ... I've structured this with first a look at wide review feedback, starting with TAG feedback 14:29:26 ... then we could get the other groups feedback, where having PING people would be particular useful 14:30:38 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-review-announce/2016Sep/0007.html RfC (public) of generic sensors & ambient light 14:36:36 Dom: have you looked at whether a polyfill of the current deviceorientation with the 3 new sensors? 14:36:44 anssi: not yet, sounds interesting; likewise for a geo 14:41:12 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:41:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/08-dap-minutes.html dom 15:49:59 RRSAgent, bye 15:49:59 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/08-dap-actions.rdf : 15:49:59 ACTION: Dom to send transition request for FPWD of concrete sensors [1] 15:49:59 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/08-dap-irc#T14-09-43 15:49:59 ACTION: Dom to find a PING person for joining us at TPAC for discussion on privacy [2] 15:49:59 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/08-dap-irc#T14-19-18 15:49:59 ACTION: Andrey to transfer https://github.com/w3c/ping/blob/master/wake-lock-privacy.md as github issues [3] 15:49:59 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/08-dap-irc#T14-23-54 15:50:00 Zakim, bye 15:50:00 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Andrey_Logvinov, Dominique_Hazael-Massieux, Anssi_Kostiainen 15:50:00 Zakim has left #dap