12:03:22 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:03:22 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-irc 12:03:26 Meeting: WoT IG 12:03:27 Chair: Darko 12:03:29 da: Matthias is not available today and asked me to chair the call today 12:03:31 present: Kaz, Johannes, Michael_Koster, Darko, Masato, Uday, Victor, Yongjing 12:03:41 present+ Aparna 12:03:50 Yongjing has joined #wot 12:04:32 dape has joined #wot 12:04:54 cannot hear anything... my problem? 12:05:26 ryuichi has joined #wot 12:05:53 see 12:06:39 zakim, pick a scribe 12:06:39 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Darko 12:06:48 zakim, pick a scribe 12:06:48 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Yongjing 12:07:25 name: something 12:08:10 scribenick: Yongjing 12:08:15 scribe: Yongjing 12:08:47 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_WebConf 12:08:59 @@: something 12:09:25 present+ Takuki 12:09:38 present+ Zhang 12:09:52 topic: Hydra and Thing Description 12:10:14 katsu has joined #wot 12:10:27 is bergi on the call? 12:10:42 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:11:40 https://github.com/bergos/wot-examples/ 12:13:02 yingying_ has joined #wot 12:13:42 victor: Hydra examples above 12:14:29 ... also goes through the Current Practices document 12:14:37 -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.html#td-examples Current Practices document 12:14:49 present+ Yingying 12:14:56 rrsagent, make log public 12:15:01 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:15:01 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:15:35 victor: Bergi defines events 12:16:00 who's speaking now? i see Darko? 12:16:03 ... GET, PUT, DELETE operations 12:16:08 present+ Yingying_Chen 12:16:47 Why the WebEx shows Darko_Anicic? 12:17:02 victor: temperature sensor 12:17:43 see, that's my problem... 12:19:33 q+ 12:19:41 victor: Hydra middleware recognizes any Hydra-based APIs 12:19:47 darko: not clear 12:19:57 ... how to interact with events? 12:20:16 victor: he defines 3 other examples 12:20:39 darko: take temperature as example to explain? 12:21:13 victor: (goes through the Hydra:supportedProperty examples) 12:21:35 present+ Katsuyoshi, Michael_McCool 12:22:01 victor: classes and Hydra properties 12:22:05 q? 12:22:47 ack kaji 12:23:01 ack d 12:23:14 q+ 12:23:21 Daniel: missing aspects of protocols 12:23:43 q? 12:24:37 victor: Hydra can map to abstract operations, e.g. GET PUT 12:24:56 ... mapping on protocols is quite obvious 12:25:02 Daniel: need certain middleware? 12:25:08 s/GET PUT/GET, PUT/ 12:25:51 q? 12:25:52 q? 12:25:56 ack m 12:26:26 q+ 12:26:44 McCool has joined #wot 12:26:45 michael: Hydra exposes underlying REST-based mechanism 12:27:05 ... Thing Description is a template 12:27:38 victor: serializable as RDF 12:27:52 michael: RDF is just one possible notation 12:28:31 victor: to get the temperature in Hydra, need to address resource, with serialized media type 12:28:51 ... the Hydra client doesn't have to understand the media type 12:29:52 michael: we could have Hydra Thing Description like our Thing Description 12:30:19 ... I should join the discussion 12:30:50 victor: lacking modeling type system 12:30:55 katsu has joined #wot 12:31:39 ... link or actual resource 12:31:40 victor: resource should only have properties as literal or links to the resources 12:32:26 q? 12:33:05 Michael: will take closer look into Hydra and have further discussion 12:33:24 q? 12:33:26 ack D 12:35:19 darko: if we have one description for temperature in one file 12:35:26 ... and another file 12:36:02 ... this would be definitely a hyperlink approach 12:36:53 Fenger has joined #wot 12:37:05 victor: you can define classes 12:37:35 ... and all the temperature sensors will refer to the class definition 12:37:53 ... currently discussion on lifecycle 12:38:03 ... interesting approach regarding this 12:38:09 ... TD template 12:38:20 ... if you recognize of URI of the class definition 12:39:22 michael: not only Thing Description for Hydra but some ontology for Hydra could be defined 12:39:35 ..: we can still use external ontologies 12:39:39 ... interesting question on modeling ontology for Hydra 12:39:50 s/..:/.../ 12:40:08 victor: everything should be Hydra class 12:40:28 ... if you want further semantic definition, you can include Hydra class definition 12:40:56 michael: it has elegance to define everything within Hydra framework 12:41:30 victor: even for abstract concept 12:41:44 ... to me it's not flexible enough from semantic viewpoint 12:41:56 victor: it means every concept would be de-referencable, including abstraction concepts, that's not flexible 12:42:55 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/229 Victor's pull request 12:43:15 victor: my pull request above 12:43:39 q? 12:43:54 victor: just a proposal 12:45:38 johannes: would suggest to merge this in unless any objections 12:45:55 darko: breakout session during the next f2f? 12:46:26 ... you can raise a proposal 12:46:45 victor: is Matthias available by the end of this week? 12:47:49 johannes: would ask the group about if it's OK to merge this proposal 12:48:02 (no objection) 12:49:23 RESOLUTION: proposed pull request 229 will be put on the plate for the upcoming f2f in Lisbon 12:49:42 q+ Yongjing 12:50:29 yongjing: question about gh-pages branch 12:50:46 RESOLUTION: #299 can be merged, status remains as proposal t.b discussed on TPAC 12:50:55 johannes: automatically available as a rendered HTML at some URL 12:51:02 s/RESOLUTION: proposed pull request 229 will be put on the plate for the upcoming f2f in Lisbon// 12:51:56 topic: WG Charter 12:51:57 Topic: Submission of WG Charter draft to W3M 12:52:07 s/topic: WG Charter// 12:53:33 kaz: the draft charter itself is ok 12:53:41 ... had discussions with candidate co-Chairs 12:53:50 ... talking with W3M about the next step 12:54:23 ... Jeff's suggestion is approving the WG charter @@@ 12:55:12 Johannes: anything preventing us submit the WG charter? 12:55:20 ...today? 12:55:44 Kaz: figure out the co-chair arrangement by Fri 12:55:58 ... final solution shall be ready by Monday 12:56:09 s/@@@/today, finalizing the co-Chair list by the end of Friday, and sending out the AC review request on Monday/ 12:56:22 katsu has joined #wot 12:56:30 masato has joined #wot 12:56:49 Topic: Co-chair discussion 12:57:11 Kaz: will be another call on Friday about co-chair arrangement 12:57:35 s/t.b/to be/ 12:57:39 Topic: Joint Call with oneM2M 12:58:54 Johannes: update info of the last joint call with oneM2M 13:00:10 q? 13:00:34 yongjing: was there as the oneM2M rep 13:00:37 ... good discussion 13:00:56 ... expecting another joint call maybe after TPAC 13:01:10 ... also there will be the oneM2M meeting in Oct. 13:01:34 ... working on liaison between oneM2M and W3C 13:02:24 kaz: please send a liaison letter to team-liaisons 13:02:28 q+ 13:02:36 yongjing: will happen after the Oct meeting 13:02:41 q? 13:02:44 ack Y 13:02:46 ack u 13:04:07 uday: can help you 13:04:26 ... another question on the joint meeting with IRTF T2T 13:04:45 johannes: research group from IRTF 13:04:57 ... they're doing something quite similar to our work 13:05:17 ... have been holding several joint meetings 13:05:51 ... 2 days usually 13:05:55 ... no registration fee 13:06:07 ... announcement will be made on the mailinglist 13:06:25 ... (shows Aris message) 13:06:48 t2trg-chairs@ietf.org 13:07:38 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016Aug/0040.html Ari's message 13:07:51 Topic: TPAC Preparation 13:08:20 https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2016,_Portugal,_Lisbon#Agenda 13:08:23 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2016,_Portugal,_Lisbon#Agenda TPAC agenda wiki 13:09:54 q+ 13:10:39 q+ 13:10:40 johannes: outreach and ad-hoc meetings 13:10:51 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2016,_Portugal,_Lisbon#Outreach_and_Ad-hoc_meetings joint meetings 13:11:24 johannes: the slot for automotive? 13:11:33 kaz: still open, and to be discussed 13:12:49 q? 13:13:47 victor: question on "breakout"? 13:14:15 ack k 13:15:10 kaz: maybe we can start to define the initial time specific agenda based on those joint meetings 13:15:13 johannes: +1 13:15:32 Joint meeting with SDWG at TPAC: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:F2F4 13:15:41 i/kaz:/darko: shows the topic could be done as a breakout session/ 13:16:28 s/F2F4/F2F4 Tuesday 4pm/ 13:17:05 q? 13:17:09 ack D 13:17:30 Topic: Demo setup 13:18:32 Kaz: no cable connection , maybe wifi 13:19:02 s/wifi/we could use a converter between wifi and cable connection/ 13:19:23 ... cost will be evaluated 13:19:43 johannes: need to see if it's possible to bring that kind of converter 13:19:58 Johannes: we should be prepared to work with no wire connection at the Demo/PlugFest 13:20:14 i/Johannes/kaz: theoretically we can do that using a Linux PC/ 13:21:14 https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/plugfest/2016-lisbon/TPAC-2016-Poster-Template.svg 13:21:50 see also https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2016,_Portugal,_Lisbon_Demo 13:22:43 https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/File:TPAC-2016-roll-up.jpg 13:23:04 q+ 13:23:50 q+ 13:23:53 ack d 13:24:13 dape: each demo leader is responsible to generate the poster 13:24:44 kaz: question on the "WoT" logo 13:25:11 ... Yingying, have you talked with the Marcomm Team about the usage of the green "WoT" logo? 13:25:23 yingying: will hold a dedicated call for that 13:26:11 johannes: wondering if it would be problematic to have the logo 13:26:26 yingying: we need to get the approval of the Marcom Team for the flyer 13:26:32 ... but need to check for this poster 13:26:47 johannes: when can we get the final statement? 13:26:56 yingying: will check after this call 13:27:11 johannes: maybe by Friday, can we get the conclusion? 13:27:16 yingying: will try 13:27:33 topic: Table status reports 13:27:43 q+ shoudl we fix a date to finalize table status report 13:28:16 q+ 13:28:32 johannes: could show what the API, servient, etc., are like 13:29:01 ack k 13:29:24 ... Michael, can we work together? 13:29:25 s/we need to get the approval of the Marcom Team for the flyer/MarComm team requested us to remove the WoT logo from W3C WoT Flyers./ 13:29:43 q+ uday 13:29:55 johannes: let's have another call with you later 13:30:08 ack u 13:30:23 can we set a deadline for the table status report? 13:30:30 q+ 13:30:40 q? 13:30:43 ack M 13:31:15 uday: maybe you can talk with Matthias? 13:31:50 darko: offline discussion would be fine 13:32:17 dape: possibly could try a printing company in Lisbon 13:32:40 Topic: Presentation of Joint White Paper 13:33:05 http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.2.25758.13122 13:33:20 ... or if we want to print it beforehand, we should finish it 13:33:41 Dave is not present today 13:34:15 kaz: need to check with Dave 13:34:29 ... got inquiries from some of the JP Members too 13:34:33 masato has joined #wot 13:35:19 yongjing: is W3C happy to consider this whitepaper as the one from W3C as a whole? 13:35:33 ... rather than the one from those 4 individuals 13:36:03 ... it's related to the usage of the W3C logo and the WoT logo too 13:36:17 darko: Kaz will check with Dave and other W3C Team 13:36:39 ... any other questions? 13:36:40 (none) 13:37:15 rrsagent, create minutes 13:37:15 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-minutes.html DarkoAnicic 13:37:32 s/is W3C happy/I myself am also included in this effort, and am wondering if W3C is happy/ 13:38:07 [ adjourned ] 13:38:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:38:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:38:40 kaz, will you post the minutes? or I shell do it? 13:38:52 rrsagent, bye 13:38:52 I see no action items 13:41:55 RRSAgent has joined #wot 13:41:55 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-irc 13:42:13 i/Hydra example above/scribenick: kaz/ 13:42:48 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:42:48 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:43:23 i/Hydra examples above/scribenick: kaz/ 13:43:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:43:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:44:01 i/take temperature as example/scribenick: Yongjing/ 13:44:20 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:44:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:45:16 i/goes through the Hydra:supportedProperty/scribenick: kaz/ 13:45:31 i/missing aspects of protocols/scribenick: Yongjing/ 13:45:45 i/mapping on protocols is quite obvious/scribenick: kaz/ 13:45:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:45:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:46:26 i/to get the temperature in/scribenick: Yongjing/ 13:46:42 i/the Hydra client doesn't have to/scribenick: kaz/ 13:46:55 i/resource should only have/scribenick: Yongjing/ 13:47:05 i/if we have one description/scribenick: kaz/ 13:47:08 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:47:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:47:34 i/we can still use external/scribenick: Yongjing/ 13:47:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:47:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:47:52 i/interesting question on modeling/scribenick: kaz/ 13:48:08 i/it means every concept/scribenick: Yongjing/ 13:48:08 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:48:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:48:23 i/my pull request above/scribenick: kaz/ 13:48:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:48:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:48:53 i/anything preventing us/scribenick: Yongjing/ 13:49:12 i/was there as the oneM2M rep/scribenick: kaz/ 13:49:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:49:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:50:27 i/no cable connection/scribenick: Yongjing/ 13:51:24 i/need to see if it's/scribenick: kaz/ 13:51:39 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:51:39 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:52:10 rrsagent, bye 13:52:18 rrsagent, bye 13:52:31 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:52:31 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:52:33 rrsagent, bye 13:52:41 rrsagent, bye 13:52:45 rrsagent, stop