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14:58:22 <patrick_h_lauke> Chair: patrick_h_lauke
14:58:27 <patrick_h_lauke> present+ patrick_h_lauke
14:58:37 <patrick_h_lauke> Meeting: PEWG
15:01:39 <mustaq> present+ Mustaq_Ahmed
15:01:51 <rbyers> present+ Rick_Byers
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15:03:15 <NavidZ> present+ Navid_Zolghadr
15:03:40 <patrick_h_lauke> proposed agenda was: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2016JulSep/0316.html
15:04:12 <patrick_h_lauke> we don't have anybody from Mozilla on just yet. waiting another minute or so
15:04:32 <patrick_h_lauke> Scribe: patrick_h_lauke
15:04:52 <scott_gonzalez> present+ scott_gonzalez
15:06:32 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: we have TPAC in 2 weeks, let's prep for that
15:07:17 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: as said in F2F, hopefully by TPAC we can compare outstanding data and resolve v2 blocking list, debates that would keep chrome from shipping
15:07:35 <patrick_h_lauke> we feel like we're ready to ship, been on dev channel, feel confident
15:07:52 <patrick_h_lauke> we don't need to wait for REC, but want to make sure rest of group is comfortable with our implementation
15:08:12 <patrick_h_lauke> decide if we can merge reduced hit-test spec to master, and ship
15:08:23 <patrick_h_lauke> doesn't mean we can't ship, but would reduce compat concerns
15:08:29 <patrick_h_lauke> Ted: that sounds fair
15:08:44 <rbyers> s/we can't ship/can't change post ship/
15:09:26 <patrick_h_lauke> Patrick: any concerns about merging reduced hit-test branch?
15:09:44 <patrick_h_lauke> not hearing any objections, but would be good to send to list with a "speak now or hold your peace until after TPAC"
15:09:58 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: Ted please take it to your team to just double-check
15:10:13 <patrick_h_lauke> Ted: i should have a machine running our build that should patch that spec for TPAC
15:10:14 <shepazu> q+
15:10:36 <patrick_h_lauke> Shepazu: do we think we'll need both TPAC days? Mon/Tues?
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15:11:10 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: what was the arrangement with TPAC?
15:11:53 <patrick_h_lauke> Patrick: we have the room for both days, but fluid how much advantage we take of that
15:12:25 <patrick_h_lauke> Shepazu: we have observer request, so they need to know
15:13:34 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: let's come up with a proposed schedule now and let observers know
15:14:13 <patrick_h_lauke> Patrick: probably easier to do on email than in call
15:14:18 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: agree let's do on list
15:14:26 <patrick_h_lauke> then we can let observers know
15:14:57 <patrick_h_lauke> Patrick: we have observer request from Wacom, which is great
15:15:22 <patrick_h_lauke> [general discussion on "should we do morning on Monday, afternoon on Tuesday" etc]
15:15:44 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: should we use w3c wiki, or github wiki
15:16:48 <patrick_h_lauke> ACTION: rick and patrick to set up wiki page, discussion to happen on list about proposed times/clashes with other groups, etc
15:17:29 <rbyers> https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/29
15:17:32 <patrick_h_lauke> TOPIC: v2-blocking https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Av2-blocking
15:18:18 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: we're doing an intent to ship, everybody agrees it's right. if the spec goes out w/out this it would be shame, but we'd then just document it
15:18:25 <patrick_h_lauke> so let's take it off v2-block. objections?
15:18:39 <patrick_h_lauke> Patrick: not hearing objections.
15:19:08 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: realistically people who would most likely object are Mozilla/Firefox, but we can discuss further at TPAC
15:19:47 <rbyers> https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/6
15:19:48 <patrick_h_lauke> Ted: what about https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/6
15:20:10 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: important to us, as devs solve problems with touch events that they can't with pointer events
15:20:20 <patrick_h_lauke> only thing missing is just test
15:20:36 <patrick_h_lauke> i expect by TPAC this should be closed as dtapuska has submitted PR that just needs review
15:21:00 <rbyers> Implicit capture: https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/8
15:21:18 <patrick_h_lauke> this is big one, as it's related to reduced hit-testing (branch)
15:21:35 <patrick_h_lauke> from F2F we agreed to collect additional data to resolve this
15:21:43 <patrick_h_lauke> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1b8aJOJcGXakstFJslKl87QwvlFHhHwGbQfJwnUTBBHg/edit?pref=2&pli=1#heading=h.tuf9doa1mr89
15:22:16 <patrick_h_lauke> this likely to be a topic at TPAC too
15:22:56 <patrick_h_lauke> we have outstanding issue https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/61 but as far as issue 8, we have branch and want to check compat impact
15:23:19 <patrick_h_lauke> we discussed pointer capture API, which we now have
15:23:58 <patrick_h_lauke> we're hoping for an experiment in chrome beta relating to this, to gather data
15:25:45 <patrick_h_lauke> [discussion about data of websites in wild and how many use pointer events]
15:26:13 <patrick_h_lauke> based on initial dev-channel data, less than 1% of sites use PE
15:26:46 <patrick_h_lauke> also agreed at F2F to have flag in chrome to switch implicit capture behavior to match edge
15:27:08 <patrick_h_lauke> NavidZ (?): hoping to have this flag in for TPAC
15:27:42 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: that's it for action items from F2F. other action was on MS to have machine with updated build in time for TPAC
15:28:08 <patrick_h_lauke> for people not on call, i'll include summary and give status update in our pre-TPAC email
15:29:01 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: getting back to list, we hope to resolve 6, and that will leave 8 and 61 as only v2-blockers for TPAC
15:29:13 <patrick_h_lauke> and we hope to resolve (or have concrete plan to resolve) at end of TPAC
15:30:00 <patrick_h_lauke> TOPIC: any other interesting issues?
15:31:24 <patrick_h_lauke> Mustaq: [more mention of https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/61]
15:31:54 <patrick_h_lauke> Ted: will discuss with Jacob, but we seem to warm to this
15:32:17 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: back to main topic, there are many small issues, but nothing that seems to have compat risk
15:32:39 <patrick_h_lauke> wider question: are there any issues currently not marked as v2-blocking that have real compat risk
15:32:45 <patrick_h_lauke> Ted: nothing i'm aware of
15:33:36 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: after TPAC we should switch to clean-up mode to make sure smaller issues resolved, but for now let's focus on blockers and compat risks
15:33:42 <patrick_h_lauke> and get to stage where we can ship
15:34:29 <patrick_h_lauke> TOPIC: implementation status
15:35:01 <patrick_h_lauke> Mustaq: Chrome has minor bug fixes, but nothing of major concern, so confident we can go to stable soon
15:35:26 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: we're running most tests automated now
15:36:07 <patrick_h_lauke> NavidZ: some of the tests are new/different from what we had before, as they need different environment/devices, but this is being resolved
15:37:10 <patrick_h_lauke> dtapuska: still more to do for pinch-zoom, web platform tests to be added to chromium tree, we already have approved intent to ship
15:37:18 <patrick_h_lauke> and directional touch-action
15:40:59 <patrick_h_lauke> Patrick: if there's no other topics, I'd say action on me/Rick to sort out TPAC logistics. will set up a wiki page on the w3c wiki (as that's more appropriate for administrivia relating to the group, rather than being spec-specific the way GH is). want to get this out by end of this week, to give observers / potential observers enough time to work out when/where we'll be
15:41:20 <patrick_h_lauke> Call next week, or skip as it's only another week then until TPAC?
15:41:56 <patrick_h_lauke> Rick: if any of the email threads coming out of today's call get any major discussion that can't be resolved on list, let's do call, otherwise let's plan NOT to have call next week
15:41:59 <patrick_h_lauke> Ted: sounds good
15:42:02 <patrick_h_lauke> Patrick: agreed
15:42:59 <patrick_h_lauke> rrsagent, stop