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14:49:07 <aphillips> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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14:49:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:49:11 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
14:49:12 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:49:12 <trackbot> Date: 01 September 2016
14:49:25 <aphillips> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Aug/0023.html
14:49:29 <aphillips> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:49:32 <aphillips> ScribeNick: aphillips
14:49:36 <aphillips> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:49:47 <aphillips> Regrets+ Francesco
14:49:51 <aphillips> Regrets+ Felix
14:50:02 <aphillips> agenda+ Agenda
14:50:05 <aphillips> agenda+ Action Items
14:50:09 <aphillips> agenda+ Info Share
14:50:20 <aphillips> agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
14:50:25 <aphillips> agenda+ Issue Triage
14:50:37 <aphillips> agenda+ Agenda for TPAC
14:50:54 <aphillips> agenda+ rb and rtc non-conforming in HTML 5.1
14:51:04 <aphillips> agenda+ I18N Checker review
14:51:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
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15:06:17 <aphillips> Present+ JcK
15:06:20 <aphillips> Present+ Addison
15:06:24 <aphillips> Present+ Barry
15:06:28 <aphillips> Present+ Richard
15:06:35 <aphillips> agenda
15:06:37 <aphillips> agenda?
15:06:55 <aphillips> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:06:55 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from aphillips]
15:07:08 <aphillips> Present+ Steve
15:07:34 <aphillips> agenda?
15:08:05 <aphillips> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:08:05 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from aphillips]
15:08:17 <aphillips> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:09:44 <aphillips> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:09:44 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from aphillips]
15:09:59 <aphillips> Greetings to Barry
15:10:10 <aphillips> barry: background, been in ietf for many years
15:10:22 <aphillips> ... involved in idna-bis WG, eai WG, other i18n things
15:10:31 <aphillips> ... just trying to ramp up participation in w3c
15:10:42 <aphillips> ... figure out how this wg work, etc.
15:10:57 <aphillips> richard: sent welcome?
15:11:01 <aphillips> barry: yep
15:11:36 <aphillips> richard: for tpac
15:11:53 <aphillips> ... they were thinking of letting people have like labels with languages
15:12:08 <aphillips> ... so that people who didn't understand well could get interpretation
15:12:30 <aphillips> ... convinced them to leave a blank space to fill in using a bcp47 tag :-)
15:12:43 <aphillips> ... wrote some instructions on how to find and assemble a tag
15:13:00 <aphillips> ... not only will that help, but raise awareness of what language tags should look like
15:13:04 <aphillips> ... and be a bit of fun
15:13:16 <aphillips> ... "find a member of I18N WG for help"
15:14:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
15:14:37 <aphillips> richard: what's happening with slim review?
15:16:25 <aphillips> barry: will look at it, but earlier is better than later
15:17:31 <aphillips> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:17:31 <Zakim> agendum 4. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillips]
15:17:39 <aphillips> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
15:18:42 <aphillips> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:20:03 <aphillips> richard: a lot of work on i18n checker
15:20:06 <aphillips> agenda?
15:20:37 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-floating-times.en
15:21:50 <aphillips> any comments?
15:21:55 <aphillips> richard: will resend mine
15:22:05 <aphillips> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:22:05 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Issue Triage" taken up [from aphillips]
15:23:10 <r12a> q+
15:23:19 <aphillips> ack r12a
15:24:10 <aphillips> agenda?
15:24:45 <aphillips> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:24:45 <Zakim> agendum 7. "rb and rtc non-conforming in HTML 5.1" taken up [from aphillips]
15:24:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
15:25:03 <aphillips> richard: putting a link to the list of review comments
15:25:08 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
15:25:20 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/215
15:25:41 <aphillips> richard: snuck in since html5 published
15:25:51 <aphillips> ... due maybe to syncing with whatwg document
15:26:01 <aphillips> ... says rb and rtc are non-conforming
15:26:12 <aphillips> ... which is hixie's point of view
15:26:25 <aphillips> ... we've tried to convince him otherwise
15:26:28 <aphillips> ... added in 5
15:26:33 <aphillips> ... odd that it's non-conforming
15:26:51 <aphillips> richard: CSS folks plan to implement jukugo using table model
15:26:54 <aphillips> ... and that needs rtc
15:28:40 <aphillips> addison: non-substative because merely an author guideline
15:28:47 <aphillips> richard: any disagreement
15:29:12 <aphillips> addison: call for vote in support of this comment
15:29:14 <aphillips> +1
15:29:17 <Steve_Atkin> +1
15:29:18 <r12a> +1
15:29:20 <barryleiba> +1
15:30:04 <aphillips> call is for: support of the removal of rb and rtc from the list of tags in the "obsolete" list in html 5.1
15:30:16 <John_C_Klensin> +1
15:30:21 <aphillips> so carried
15:31:13 <aphillips> action: richard: forward issue-215 to html asking for the removal of rb and rtc from the list of "obsolete" tags in html 5.1
15:31:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-548 - Forward issue-215 to html asking for the removal of rb and rtc from the list of "obsolete" tags in html 5.1 [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-09-08].
15:31:20 <aphillips> agenda?
15:32:34 <aphillips> zakim, take up agendum 8
15:32:34 <Zakim> agendum 8. "I18N Checker review" taken up [from aphillips]
15:32:40 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/quicktips/doc/checker
15:33:12 <aphillips> richard: in process of releasing new version
15:33:17 <aphillips> ... should be there tomorrow
15:33:27 <r12a> UTF-8 BOM disagrees with another declaration
15:33:27 <r12a> Non-preferred name used for legacy character encoding
15:33:27 <r12a> Character encoding declaration named an unsupported encoding
15:33:29 <r12a> A language subtag is invalid
15:33:31 <r12a> A language attribute uses a grandfathered value
15:33:33 <r12a> A language attribute uses zh-CN or zh-TW
15:33:35 <r12a> Escaped characters addressing control code range
15:33:37 <r12a> Incorrect values used for translate attribute
15:33:39 <r12a> Incorrect character escapes for supplementary characters
15:33:41 <r12a> Consider using dir='rtl' on the html tag
15:33:43 <r12a> No rtl markup found
15:33:45 <r12a> CSS is being used to set direction
15:33:47 <r12a> bdo tag found with dir attribute set to auto
15:33:49 <r12a> Invalid directional named character entities found
15:33:51 <r12a> Found Unicode code points for directional controls
15:33:53 <r12a> Found escape sequences for paired directional controls
15:33:55 <r12a> Unpaired directional controls found
15:33:57 <r12a> above are new checks
15:33:59 <r12a> below are substantive changes
15:34:05 <r12a> Character encoding: BOM
15:34:05 <r12a> Character encoding: XML declaration
15:34:07 <r12a> No effective character encoding information
15:34:09 <r12a> meta encoding declarations don't work with XML
15:34:11 <r12a> Incorrect use of meta encoding declarations
15:34:13 <r12a> charset attribute used on a or link elements
15:34:15 <r12a> No character encoding information
15:34:17 <r12a> A tag uses an xml:lang attribute without an associated lang attribute
15:34:19 <r12a> A tag uses a lang attribute without an associated xml:lang attribute
15:34:21 <r12a> A language attribute value was incorrectly formed
15:34:23 <r12a> Content-Language meta element used
15:35:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
15:35:08 <r12a> information panel updates:
15:35:12 <r12a> All language tags: lists all language tags used in the page. If you click on any of the language tags listed, you are taken to the Language Subtag Lookup tool, which provides information about validity of the subtags used, lists their meaning, and provides additional usage tips.
15:35:12 <r12a> Unicode control codes: lists directional controls used in the document, with a frequency count for each. The list is divided to reflect actual characters vs. numeric character references vs. named character references.
15:35:12 <r12a> Notable attributes: lists attributes used that are typically associated with features needed by an international audience.
15:35:14 <r12a> Notable elements: the same, but for elements.
15:37:01 <aphillips> U+FFFD count: 0 U+001A count: 0 Overzealous: 0 Mojibake UTF-8: 0 Private Use: 0 Many ?:
15:40:36 <r12a> https://validator.w3.org/i18n-checker/
15:40:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
15:41:34 <aphillips> agenda?
15:41:41 <aphillips> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:41:41 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Agenda for TPAC" taken up [from aphillips]
15:42:13 <aphillips> richard: had a request from angel, office mgr in china, to talk about chinese layout task force
15:42:25 <aphillips> ... status update
15:42:33 <aphillips> ... not a big update on chinese
15:42:55 <aphillips> ... expect bobby will be there until thurs morning, would like to schedule then
15:43:01 <aphillips> addison: works for me to schedule thurs morning
15:43:10 <aphillips> richard: wiki somewhere?
15:44:13 <aphillips> action: addison: create agenda schedule for tpac meeting of i18n wg and reply to inquiries, especially dpub
15:44:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-549 - Create agenda schedule for tpac meeting of i18n wg and reply to inquiries, especially dpub [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-09-08].
15:45:21 <aphillips> richard: check with swaran on time
15:45:50 <aphillips> addison: other topics ahead of time??
15:45:57 <aphillips> richard: json/bidi stuff
15:46:06 <aphillips> addison: agree, somewhat urgent
15:46:53 <aphillips> ... tried to non-conflict with css/html
15:46:59 <aphillips> richard: arabic layout won't be there
15:47:10 <aphillips> ... webannot not there as a wg
15:47:17 <aphillips> ... some people will be though
15:47:23 <aphillips> ... chat with them about their outstanding issue
15:47:48 <aphillips> addison: as invite-in or hallway?
15:47:50 <aphillips> richard: invite in
15:48:08 <aphillips> ... have json discussion first
15:48:27 <aphillips> ... send in ideas for things to discuss by email
15:49:09 <aphillips> richard: look at dpub folks page, just copy it?
15:49:48 <aphillips> Topic: Chatmod-Norm
15:49:58 <aphillips> s/Chatmod/Charmod/
15:54:05 <aphillips> action: addison: send a request-to-read on charmod-norm for discussion next week, with an eye to proceeding to LC
15:54:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-550 - Send a request-to-read on charmod-norm for discussion next week, with an eye to proceeding to lc [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-09-08].
15:54:17 <aphillips> richard: will send pull request on casing
15:54:28 <aphillips> addison: suggest we remove the string searching so we can finish
15:54:47 <aphillips> Topic: Encoding
15:54:57 <aphillips> richard: need to update the disposition of comments
15:55:08 <aphillips> ... need to tickle the lists on bug requests
15:55:15 <aphillips> ... clear idea of tests results
15:55:20 <aphillips> ... before talking to plh
15:55:23 <aphillips> ... see him at tpac
15:55:36 <aphillips> Topic: AOB?
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
15:56:05 <aphillips> richard: JSON-bidi notes I wrote up, substantially rearranged and added some
15:56:15 <aphillips> ... may need to re-read if interested
15:56:23 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/notes/json-bidi.html
15:56:35 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minuts', aphillips.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:57:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
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15:58:04 <aphillips> zakim, bye
15:58:04 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JcK, Addison, Barry, Richard, Steve
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15:58:10 <aphillips> rrsagent, make minutes
15:58:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
15:58:14 <aphillips> rrsagent, bye
15:58:14 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:58:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: forward issue-215 to html asking for the removal of rb and rtc from the list of "obsolete" tags in html 5.1 [1]
15:58:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-irc#T15-31-13
15:58:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: create agenda schedule for tpac meeting of i18n wg and reply to inquiries, especially dpub [2]
15:58:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-irc#T15-44-13
15:58:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: send a request-to-read on charmod-norm for discussion next week, with an eye to proceeding to LC [3]
15:58:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-irc#T15-54-05