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13:58:47 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
13:58:47 <trackbot> Date: 31 August 2016
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14:07:30 <RSheeter> I see the Ned!
14:07:52 <RSheeter> present+
14:07:55 <ned> present+
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14:08:05 <Vlad> present+
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14:08:24 <RSheeter> scribe: rsheeter
14:08:47 <RSheeter> Topic: Vlad missed YOU
14:09:18 <ned> sorry, mic problems
14:09:28 <RSheeter> (fun intruded. fun eliminated.)
14:10:00 <RSheeter> Topic: Action Items
14:10:11 <Vlad> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/open
14:11:55 <RSheeter> action-199?
14:11:55 <trackbot> action-199 -- Khaled Hosny Ghetas to Investigate how we actually verify at tests, particularly how we verify internal handling. -- due 2016-04-20 -- OPEN
14:11:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/199
14:12:17 <Vlad> subject of 199: https://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/wiki/TestPlan20-AuthoringTool#mustEliminateLSBs
14:14:11 <RSheeter> Vlad: there was some question of how we "see" what happened internally for this test
14:15:41 <RSheeter> Vlad: In a test that validates an hmtx transform, how do we "see" into the stream to verify the transform is applied
14:18:09 <RSheeter> jfkthame: We need a custom inspection tool, beyond a decoder, to verify
14:20:40 <RSheeter> (discussion of details. tl;dr we have what we need, just a question of if it is exposed adequately)
14:21:39 <RSheeter> Vlad: *all* please review test suite to verify it's actually verifiable. AT seems particularly likely to be fiddly to validate.
14:22:54 <RSheeter> Khaled has been crushing the test suite and has initial impl of all of them
14:23:19 <RSheeter> Still have to go through and check each one but CTS for ATypI seems plausible
14:23:28 <RSheeter> Vlad: Sick dude.
14:24:15 <RSheeter> Vlad: we need two implementations and it seems like everyone is picking up reference impl. We need two to promote to next state in W3C process.
14:24:54 <RSheeter> Vlad: Anybody write their own?
14:25:07 <RSheeter> (seems that FF, Chrome, Edge, and Apple all use reference)
14:26:19 <RSheeter> (discussion of what we do if there isn't a second impl)
14:26:34 <RSheeter> Khaled: FontTools has it's own WOFF2 implementation (except brotli)
14:27:34 <RSheeter> Second implementation: https://github.com/behdad/fonttools/blob/master/Lib/fontTools/ttLib/woff2.py
14:27:58 <RSheeter> Vlad: if we can use it for the test suite it counts
14:28:10 <RSheeter> Topic: Welcome to the wooorld of tomorrow
14:28:29 <RSheeter> Vlad: What should the future of the group be as WOFF2 winds down, shall we make a new charter and if so what should be in it
14:29:17 <RSheeter> Vlad: one example idea, js library to do all things to fonts. Interesting but unusual for a W3C spec.
14:30:52 <RSheeter> Rod: what if we just specify the js interface to fonts? - js lib could be a reference
14:32:03 <RSheeter> Vlad: start thinking, will be a fun topic for face to face
14:33:19 <RSheeter> Ned is IN
14:33:26 <RSheeter> Jfkthame is OUT
14:34:58 <RSheeter> jfkthame: fonttools is out of date, ex no hmtx transform. Needs update if it's to be second implementation.
14:36:36 <RSheeter> kuettel: Lets talk logistics! Google is ~10 minutes from hotels, we could have lunch!
14:39:00 <RSheeter> chair: vlad
14:39:07 <RSheeter> zakim, list attendees
14:39:07 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been RSheeter, ned, jfkthame, kuettel, Vlad, Khaled
14:39:15 <RSheeter> rrsagent, make minutes
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