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18:27:47 <Judy> agenda?
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18:31:48 <Judy> agenda+ Confirming scribe and any agenda additions
18:31:48 <Judy> agenda+ W3C Reorg update and clarification(s)
18:31:48 <Judy> agenda+ SVG Accessibility TF status
18:31:48 <Judy> agenda+ Again on any last TPAC questions, including RQTF room usage, roving meetings
18:31:48 <Judy> agenda+ WG and TF participation checks? TF home pages check? Can interested people find your current work?
18:31:49 <Judy> agenda+ Which groups are looking for increased participation from which kinds of expertise and stakeholders?
18:31:50 <Judy> agenda+ Clarifying location of HTML AAM, and why
18:31:52 <Judy> agenda+ Community groups and workshops, recent/filled liaison needs?
18:31:54 <Judy> agenda+ Upcoming publications, announcements, discussion threads to promote, including on WAI IG?
18:31:56 <Judy> agenda+ Any other business?
18:31:58 <Judy> agenda+ Next meeting: next date, topic requests
18:35:04 <tzviya> regrets+ Josh, Lisa, Brent, Chaals, Kim, Kathy, Jim
18:37:27 <Judy> zakim, take up item 1
18:37:27 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Confirming scribe and any agenda additions" taken up [from Judy]
18:37:48 <Judy> JB: scribe id'd; may add items in progress.
18:37:55 <Judy> zakim, take up item 2
18:37:55 <Zakim> agendum 2. "W3C Reorg update and clarification(s)" taken up [from Judy]
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18:39:33 <janina> scribe: janina
18:39:50 <janina> jb: Have been updates to reorg plan for W3C
18:40:01 <Judy> ...a second clarification:
18:40:02 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/2016/08/2016-reorg.html#h.9s308o6n8mce
18:41:14 <janina> jb: There have been many discussions about where and how WAI fits into the new structure
18:41:47 <janina> jb: Concerns about coordinated accessibility program were expressed
18:42:01 <janina> jb: Edits to above draft intended to address this
18:42:42 <janina> jb: Judy continues as WAI Director with responsibility to report to management on how accessibility work is progressing
18:43:35 <janina> gk: Do you have staff reporting to you?
18:43:44 <janina> jb: That still needs more clarification
18:43:59 <janina> jb: I will have input to a11y staff throughout the organization
18:45:07 <janina> jb: The work that has been chartered will progress under program and strategy management plus a11y
18:45:24 <fesch> present+ fesch
18:45:34 <janina> present+ Janina
18:45:37 <janina> zakim, next item
18:45:37 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Confirming scribe and any agenda additions" taken up [from Judy]
18:45:46 <janina> zakim, close this item
18:45:46 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
18:45:47 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:45:47 <Zakim> 3. SVG Accessibility TF status [from Judy]
18:45:47 <janina> zakim, next item
18:45:48 <Zakim> agendum 3. "SVG Accessibility TF status" taken up [from Judy]
18:46:43 <janina> jb: Believe someone has been saying SVG a11y no longer a W3C priority; this is not so
18:47:23 <janina> fe: Heard that resources were being reduced, affecting esp Doug
18:47:27 <Judy> s/this is not so/that's not quite the case/
18:47:43 <janina> fe: Also that SVG not growing, both chairs now gone
18:48:27 <janina> fe: Doug wouldn't be able to work on authoring guidance, some tasks like that
18:49:11 <janina> jb: There are multiple conversations ongoing about this; I need to collect more info and a fuller picture
18:49:28 <janina> fe: At the moment we're in lock step with ARIA-1.1 and SVG 2
18:49:54 <janina> fe: Docs are ready, waiting for Dpub; now writing test scripts
18:49:58 <MichaelC> q+
18:50:07 <janina> fe: Both SVG and ARIA will be able to use the same testing framework
18:50:35 <janina> mc: Note I'm not waiting on Dpub for anything.
18:50:42 <janina> mc: SVG docs ready to go
18:50:44 <MichaelC> ack me
18:51:15 <janina> jb: One fpwd, others are heartbeats.
18:51:28 <janina> fe: We can't go further because of dependencies, but we're ready to go further
18:52:11 <janina> jb: I will probably contact with more questions
18:52:44 <janina> gk: Understand mathjax has ability to generate SVG image of the math
18:52:52 <janina> ts: Yes
18:53:00 <janina> jb: But not semantic, correct?
18:53:22 <janina> fe: Should be semantic, though may be difficult for the authoring tool
18:53:42 <janina> fe: Should provide the ability to walk the formula
18:53:59 <janina> gk: But the mathml not included in the SVG, correct?
18:54:08 <janina> ts: Above my ability to respond
18:54:53 <janina> jb: Someone at ETS has done work on this
18:55:01 <janina> ts: Believe Design Science
18:55:06 <janina> jb: Can someone follow up?
18:55:49 <janina> gk: We're trying to develop best practice guidance for publishers on how to do math
18:55:53 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/community/mathonwebpages/
18:56:15 <Judy> agenda?
18:56:32 <janina> ts: There's concern beyond publishing about this
18:56:49 <janina> ts: Note link above for community group on Web Math
18:58:10 <janina> jb: We need to sieze on whatever work currently could help move accessibility of math forward
18:59:08 <janina> jb: Can George and Tzviya sort this and report back?
18:59:23 <janina> gk: Should have a meeting for next week on this
18:59:35 <janina> gk: Who from SVG?
18:59:41 <janina> fe: Ping Rich
18:59:46 <janina> fe: Or Amelia
19:00:16 <janina> zakim, next item
19:00:16 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Again on any last TPAC questions, including RQTF room usage, roving meetings" taken up [from Judy]
19:01:03 <janina> mc: rqtf won't be meeting
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19:01:21 <janina> mc: So room available Monday and Friday. Anyone need a room?
19:01:50 <janina> jb: Possibly EO, possibly testing/conformance
19:02:05 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwertfeger
19:03:03 <janina> jb: Thinking we should keep the room for ad hoc meeting
19:03:17 <janina> mc: Note it's only available Monday and Friday
19:03:35 <janina> mc: Lisa thought Friday morning might help COGA
19:04:39 <janina> jb: Seems there may be up to 4 groups that might find this helpful ...
19:04:44 <janina> mc: Noting EO has a room
19:04:49 <janina> jb: So, three groups
19:05:19 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
19:05:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/31-waicc-minutes.html janina
19:05:40 <janina> zakim, next item
19:05:40 <Zakim> agendum 5. "WG and TF participation checks? TF home pages check? Can interested people find your current work?" taken up [from Judy]
19:06:58 <janina> jb: Asking for updates on TF and WG home pages -- Can people find our work?
19:07:10 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/
19:07:24 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2016
19:07:25 <tzviya> DPUB Agenda (still a little tentative): https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Sep_2016_F2F_Logistics_and_Details#Agenda
19:08:27 <janina> jb: We always try to clean these up ahead of TPAC
19:08:35 <Judy> agenda?
19:08:36 <janina> zakim, next item
19:08:41 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Which groups are looking for increased participation from which kinds of expertise and stakeholders?" taken up [from Judy]
19:10:08 <janina> ts: Recalling APA meeting with Leonie about ARIA-Details discovery
19:10:10 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/561
19:12:09 <janina> js: Notes need to discuss discoverability during TPAC
19:12:16 <janina> jb: Lots of documentation on this
19:13:59 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis
19:16:00 <janina> js: Notes that CSS A11y TF now agreed by APA, ARIA, and CSS
19:16:07 <janina> jb: Notes available room later in the week!
19:16:20 <janina> zakim, next item
19:16:20 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Clarifying location of HTML AAM, and why" taken up [from Judy]
19:16:49 <janina> jb: Is there an update?
19:17:06 <janina> rs: Will discuss again on Thursday's ARIA call
19:17:24 <janina> rs: Most people seem to be OK with giving Web Platforms exclusive publication
19:17:32 <janina> rs: Except that we do need adequate review time
19:17:42 <MichaelC> q+
19:17:51 <janina> rs: So, we're trying to figure that out. How much time ahead of CR publication, for instance
19:18:19 <janina> rs: Generally, people work on the doc and don't worry about ownership
19:18:44 <janina> rs: Any group could lose people and then the doc loses staff
19:19:11 <janina> mc: Not sure the editors care either way, either that we leave it as is, or that we move it over
19:19:22 <janina> mc: Don't believe the joint status has imposed any burden
19:19:37 <janina> mc: Actually the proposed review time is greater than what we currently have
19:20:01 <janina> mc: I'm confident in current staffing on this doc, just worried about the future
19:20:05 <Rich> q?
19:20:07 <Judy> q+
19:20:08 <MichaelC> ack me
19:20:13 <janina> mc: If there's no problem today, why remove our buffer?
19:22:57 <MichaelC> q+
19:23:58 <janina> q+ to remember ARIA in HTML module
19:24:29 <janina> jb: Understand short time acceptance, but concerned on long term view
19:25:22 <Judy> agenda?
19:25:28 <janina> mc: Certainly we want to encourage another group working--no objection, except that it's not just their stake in the results
19:26:02 <MichaelC> ack me
19:26:04 <Rich> q?
19:26:26 <Judy> q- later
19:27:11 <MichaelC> q+ to say if ARIA lacks resources but HTML still interested, joint ownership means they can be the buffer - it goes both ways
19:27:43 <janina> js: Recalls ARIA in HTML discussion. Are we reviewing as we promissed?
19:27:56 <janina> rs: Yes, I am, and the AAM people are. But the WG hasn't
19:29:00 <MichaelC> all the AAMs except Core or AccName, which are ARIA-specific, are joint
19:29:05 <janina> jb: Noting current status is joint, and PLH recommeending keep it that way for now
19:29:23 <janina> rs: Can PLH send an email to that effect?
19:29:27 <MichaelC> ack me
19:29:27 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say if ARIA lacks resources but HTML still interested, joint ownership means they can be the buffer - it goes both ways
19:29:35 <janina> ack jan
19:29:35 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to remember ARIA in HTML module
19:30:37 <Judy> agenda?
19:31:04 <janina> rs: It's Adrian who's trying to get out from under all joint ownerships
19:31:14 <janina> jb: Perhaps we need to raise that with PLH
19:31:22 <janina> zakim, next item
19:31:22 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina
19:31:26 <janina> ack ju
19:31:28 <janina> zakim, next item
19:31:28 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Community groups and workshops, recent/filled liaison needs?" taken up [from Judy]
19:32:06 <janina> jb: Are any submitted for VR Workshop
19:32:46 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/2016/06/vr-workshop/
19:33:39 <janina> rs: Recalling Web Interest Group was to start on a web API
19:34:01 <Judy> JB: sees Charles la Pierre from Benetech registered for W3C virtual reality workshop
19:34:23 <janina> rs: Seems, mostly Google put up an API doc where they listed Microsoft and Apple as editors
19:34:53 <janina> rs: We had no reports on this work
19:35:37 <janina> rs: WICG -- Web Incubator --
19:36:17 <janina> rs: Positive aspect is this will be brought to WICG, and we do need an API for extensibility
19:38:28 <Rich> http://a11y-api.github.io/a11y-api/spec/
19:39:25 <janina> jb: Would be good to get a second person to the VR Workshop
19:39:29 <MichaelC> https://github.com/a11y-api/a11y-api/blob/master/explainer.md
19:41:00 <Judy> agenda?
19:41:01 <janina> zakim, next item
19:41:03 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Upcoming publications, announcements, discussion threads to promote, including on WAI IG?" taken up [from Judy]
19:42:24 <janina> mc: Noting Graphics module to go FPWD, also two FPWD from COGA, and an update on Understanding WCAG
19:42:44 <MichaelC> Graphics for 6 Sep
19:42:50 <MichaelC> COGA for 15 Sep
19:42:54 <MichaelC> WCAG Notes for 8 Sep
19:44:08 <janina> zakim, next item
19:44:08 <Zakim> agendum 10. "Any other business?" taken up [from Judy]
19:44:15 <janina> zakim, close this item
19:44:15 <Zakim> agendum 10 closed
19:44:16 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
19:44:16 <Zakim> 11. Next meeting: next date, topic requests [from Judy]
19:44:17 <janina> zakim, next item
19:44:17 <Zakim> agendum 11. "Next meeting: next date, topic requests" taken up [from Judy]
19:44:51 <janina> jb: Noting just ahead of TPAC on 14 Sep
19:45:22 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
19:45:48 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
19:45:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/31-waicc-minutes.html janina
19:45:53 <janina> zakim, bye
19:45:53 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Tzviya, fesch, Janina, Rich_Schwertfeger
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19:46:08 <MichaelC> meeting: WAI CC
19:46:10 <MichaelC> chair: Judy
19:46:20 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
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