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15:50:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TRACK
15:50:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
15:50:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Tracking Protection Working Group Teleconference
15:50:29 <trackbot> Date: 31 August 2016
15:52:02 <moneill2> just checking out my systems
15:57:32 <moneill2> wseltzer, link still not working - is there a new link?
15:58:11 <wseltzer> zakim, this is webex 642 275 624 (dnt)
15:58:11 <Zakim> got it, wseltzer
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15:58:51 <wseltzer> https://mit.webex.com/mw3100/mywebex/default.do?service=1&siteurl=mit&nomenu=true&main_url=%2Fmc3100%2Fe.do%3Fsiteurl%3Dmit%26AT%3DMI%26EventID%3D475243072%26UID%3D493576022%26Host%3DQUhTSwAAAAJn7WPOuzIN4gyk8rt0px3zGByW99IcURCzIsqWsa-XsXaDPudaWB88f6i-zrVtz-0uFXG5Nlw93w3QIXtaKwl00%26FrameSet%3D2%26MTID%3Dma165fcbc1a11161d40f6b51aacb8a724
15:59:01 <wseltzer> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=ma165fcbc1a11161d40f6b51aacb8a724
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16:00:38 <dsinger> zakim, code?
16:00:38 <Zakim> I have been told this is webex 642 275 624 (dnt)
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16:02:26 <wseltzer> present=
16:02:34 <wileys> Tried dialing in and was told the meeting number is not valid or the meeting has not started yet...
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16:02:37 <wseltzer> present+ wseltzer, moneill2, rvaneijk, aleecia
16:03:00 <wseltzer> zakim, code?
16:03:00 <Zakim> I have been told this is webex 642 275 624 (dnt)
16:03:08 <wseltzer> present+ rvaneijk
16:03:44 <wileys> The new code worked but is not the one that was emailed last night
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16:04:22 <wseltzer> present+ wileys
16:04:42 <wseltzer> wseltzer has changed the topic to: TPWG call 31 August, new webex info
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16:05:02 <dsinger> present+ dsinger
16:05:04 <wseltzer> present+ schunter
16:05:06 <jeff> present+ jeff
16:05:12 <wseltzer> present+ npdoty
16:05:16 <wseltzer> zakim, who is here?
16:05:16 <Zakim> Present: wseltzer, moneill2, rvaneijk, aleecia, wileys, dsinger, schunter, jeff, npdoty
16:05:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see weiler, vincent, npdoty, jeff, wileys, dsinger, rvaneijk, Zakim, RRSAgent, moneill2, schunter, walter, adrianba, wseltzer, trackbot
16:05:27 <wseltzer> present+ dsinger
16:06:27 <moneill2> dsinger, was the tk header right?
16:07:07 <vincent> present+ vincent
16:07:19 <wseltzer> present+ frank.wagner
16:08:21 <npdoty> moneill2, was there a particular reason that you thought the tracking status resource needed to be a full uri, rather than just to the well-known location and can then redirect?
16:08:42 <wseltzer> schunter: 2 points, TPAC, and email to European members
16:08:48 <npdoty> q+
16:08:56 <wseltzer> ack np
16:09:30 <wseltzer> npdoty: did you want to discuss proposal from Mike and Rob re potential changes to TPE?
16:09:31 <moneill2> npdoty, so it can be somewhere else, corporate site might be different domain
16:09:36 <wseltzer> schunter: It migth be early for that
16:10:09 <dsinger> I would like to suggest we have a note in the TPE that the exceptions API may need to be async, and comments are solicited
16:10:28 <wseltzer> schunter: re suggestion that we reach out to implementers
16:10:35 <wseltzer> ... attend TPAC, make some noise
16:10:42 <npdoty> moneill2, right, but it wasn't clear why redirection wouldn't typically work
16:10:49 <wseltzer> ... I plan to join PING
16:10:59 <wseltzer> ... schedule an announced breakout session
16:11:17 <wseltzer> ... discussing European landscape
16:11:26 <wseltzer> ... 3. ad hoc informal TPWG meeting
16:11:30 <wseltzer> ... opportunistic
16:11:42 <moneill2> npdoty, the idea is the first url might not be on the origin domain, it might be a corporate site, then it could redirect
16:12:02 <wseltzer> ... don't panic
16:12:20 <npdoty> +1 for don't panic
16:12:23 <wseltzer> ... most important is Wednesday breakout session. Can we get European companies in the room
16:12:30 <wseltzer> ... to discuss benefits of TPE
16:12:37 <wseltzer> q+
16:12:47 <jeff> ack ws
16:13:37 <npdoty> wseltzer: space often not available for meetings at TPAC
16:13:39 <npdoty> Zakim, code?
16:13:39 <Zakim> I have been told this is webex 642 275 624 (dnt)
16:14:26 <npdoty> ... but space worked out, so not a problem
16:14:27 <jeff> q+
16:14:31 <npdoty> ... but not a chartered working group meeting
16:14:47 <npdoty> could we call it a BoF?
16:15:04 <dsinger> strongly suggest we ask for a 3-month charter extension just to cover our current discussions and what’s next and TPAC
16:15:36 <wseltzer> q?
16:15:42 <npdoty> q+
16:15:51 <dsinger> q+
16:15:53 <vincent> I'll try to attend on Wednesday
16:16:06 <schunter> ack jeff
16:16:20 <rvaneijk> I will try to attend, need travel premission first.
16:16:51 <dsinger> expects to be, intends to be, mostly present at TPAC (in body at least)
16:17:53 <npdoty> jeff: suggest sending info about informal thursday meeting at TPAC to appropriate mailing lists, so that attendees know about it
16:19:00 <jeff> ack je
16:19:06 <schunter> ack np
16:19:22 <wseltzer> npdoty: will there be remote participation
16:19:32 <wseltzer> present+ carl
16:20:14 <wseltzer> schunter: for the breakout, we'll aim to do so
16:20:55 <wseltzer> ... don't need to get up at midnight
16:20:58 <npdoty> and if there are notes circulated from the Wednesday meeting, that would be important (and would make it less important for interested folks not there to need to join in)
16:21:07 <jeff> q+ to discuss the mad scramble
16:22:10 <vincent> do we have a page that we could tweet about?
16:22:11 <schunter> ack dsing
16:22:50 <schunter> dsinger: Charter extension to year end?
16:23:04 <wseltzer> q+
16:23:10 <schunter> ack jeff
16:23:10 <Zakim> jeff, you wanted to discuss the mad scramble
16:23:17 <npdoty> +1 to dsinger, it seems like we're having meetings now
16:24:32 <dsinger> extend to year-end, a few weeks past tpac, and so on, whatever makes sense. 6 months is a long-ish extension, but OK
16:25:27 <vincent> It'd be very helpful (disclaimer: I'll be flying in and flying out :)
16:26:05 <jeff> q+
16:26:06 <wseltzer> action: wseltzer to schedule the meeting 1-3 Wednesday
16:26:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-472 - Schedule the meeting 1-3 wednesday [on Wendy Seltzer - due 2016-09-07].
16:26:08 <npdoty> (I don't think the TPAC breakouts are usually very long. you might want to set aside some way to keep talking after the short breakout time)
16:26:16 <jeff> q+ to make it happen
16:27:07 <jeff> ack ws
16:28:52 <wseltzer> ack j
16:28:52 <Zakim> jeff, you wanted to make it happen
16:29:37 <wseltzer> moneill2: GDPR, new law prompts more interest
16:30:05 <wseltzer> action-472 done
16:31:48 <dsinger> q+ to ask about minor revs to the CRs...
16:32:02 <wseltzer> q+
16:33:08 <walter> Well, this is one of the more political W3C standards, if I were to hazard a guess
16:35:52 <npdoty> I'm not sure we need IPR protections right now, but maybe Carl is right re: competition
16:36:31 <wileys> Doesn’t operating under the W3C umbrella provide all the protections needed - is an actual charter required?
16:36:43 <wileys> +
16:36:47 <wileys> +q
16:36:55 <wseltzer> q-
16:36:58 <npdoty> +1 either way, I'm not sure I see a large difference between the alternatives we have at this point
16:37:06 <schunter> q?
16:37:08 <walter> +q
16:37:12 <schunter> ack dsing
16:37:12 <Zakim> dsinger, you wanted to ask about minor revs to the CRs...
16:37:47 <npdoty> I don't think it should be changed to be asynchronous
16:37:54 <wseltzer> q+
16:37:58 <walter> dsinger: comments in general are still welcome, aren't they
16:37:59 <walter> ?
16:38:24 <walter> fair enough
16:38:26 <npdoty> do the links to the Issue Tracking system suffice for your need, dsinger?
16:38:40 <wseltzer> q+
16:39:23 <wseltzer> [ I  invite people to https://github.com/w3c/dnt/issues ]
16:39:44 <npdoty> the CR does link to this issue system already: http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/
16:41:21 <wseltzer> fielding: I'm happy to make changes if needed
16:41:30 <npdoty> ack wileys
16:41:52 <wseltzer> q+
16:42:32 <npdoty> the charter isn't one of those w3c rules and guidelines?
16:43:36 <schunter> q?
16:44:51 <wseltzer> q-
16:44:56 <schunter> ack walt
16:45:18 <npdoty> wseltzer: thanks for noting the concerns. being out of charter can affect the patent commitments if any were contributed; I believe it wouldn't affect the anti-trust or other protections of the organization, as work is continued in the public manner
16:45:36 <rvaneijk> If HTTP equiv as a solution to an implemention problem may surface out of the workshop, it sounds to me the ideas should be covered by a charter
16:45:41 <npdoty> [scribe could have made a mistake there, just trying to capture the basics]
16:47:53 <rvaneijk> Could you please put the broadcasts to the minutes?
16:48:00 <npdoty> schunter: updates on other conversations (with MSFT, EFF, DT)
16:48:06 <rvaneijk> q+
16:48:56 <npdoty> frank: interest in providing a model implementation of DNT and coordinate with a DPA, so that we can see if we are on the same page, that if we implement DNT in a certain way, does it comply with the law in the way that we expect
16:48:59 <schunter> ack rv
16:49:21 <npdoty> (or on the mailing list)
16:49:57 <npdoty> moneill2, dsinger -- I'll follow up on the mailing list re: the technical change proposals
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16:51:23 <wseltzer> proposed meeting: 28 Sept
16:51:36 <walter> webex isn't too nice...
16:51:41 <walter> bye!
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16:51:49 <npdoty> thanks all
16:52:12 <wseltzer> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:52:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/31-dnt-minutes.html wseltzer
16:52:35 <wseltzer> rrsagent, make logs public
16:52:52 <wseltzer> present+ walter
16:53:00 <wseltzer> chair: schunter
16:53:06 <wseltzer> scribenick: npdoty
16:53:10 <wseltzer> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:54:10 <wseltzer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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