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20:57:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
20:57:44 <trackbot> Date: 23 August 2016
20:58:26 <phila> s/Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference/SDW WG, SSN Sub Group Telecon/
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21:00:00 <ClausStadler> present+ ClausStadler
21:00:15 <kerry> scribe: Joel Ramsay
21:00:20 <JRamsay> present+ JRamsay
21:00:21 <kerry> scribenick: JRamsay
21:00:22 <DanhLePhuoc> present+ DanhLePhuoc
21:00:24 <kerry> chair: kerry
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21:00:32 <kerry> present+ kerry
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21:01:10 <frans> present+ frans
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21:02:18 <kerry> topic: approve minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/08/09-sdwssn-minutes
21:02:33 <kerry> +1
21:02:34 <SimonCox> 1
21:02:36 <SimonCox> +1
21:02:39 <JRamsay> +1
21:02:41 <ahaller2> present+ ahaller2
21:02:42 <ClausStadler> +1
21:02:44 <ahaller2> +1
21:03:19 <kerry> resolved: approve minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/08/09-sdwssn-minutes
21:03:34 <kerry> patent call: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
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21:04:42 <JRamsay> topic: UCR -- action-111 see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2016Aug/0084.html
21:04:47 <kerry>  topic : UCR -- action-111 see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2016Aug/0084.html (Frans?)
21:05:12 <frans> Action 111: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/111
21:05:12 <trackbot> Error finding '111'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
21:05:19 <kerry> ?action-111
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21:06:36 <frans> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Working_Use_Cases#Various_Sensor_Use_Cases_.28SSN.29
21:07:14 <frans> 1) Review the extent to which domain-specific or open-ended elements of SSN should be extended, possibly by reference to external ontologies (skos-like vocabularies) as exemplars, or by small additional components.
21:07:20 <frans> 2) Model tasking, programming and actuation of sensing devices.
21:07:41 <SefkiKolozali_UniS> present+ SefkiKolozali_UniS
21:08:33 <kerry> q?
21:09:14 <JRamsay> frans: talking action-111- original use cases. Requirement 2- do you agree that it is a good requirement? Is something required by the outside world?
21:09:44 <ahaller2> q+
21:09:57 <kerry> ack ahaller2
21:10:28 <kerry> q?
21:10:37 <JRamsay> ahaller2: is a good requirement, looking at web of things- input and output good. Important requirement
21:10:44 <roba> q+
21:10:52 <kerry> ack roba
21:10:59 <kerry> ack ahaller
21:10:59 <ahaller2> ack ahaller
21:11:40 <JRamsay> roba: looking at requirements and use cases- concern- is it a domain specific use case?
21:12:07 <kerry> q?
21:12:16 <JRamsay> ...not 100% comfortable with translation to requirements, what to look to.
21:12:59 <JRamsay> frans: lots of requirements for best practices also are very general
21:13:42 <kerry> q?
21:13:48 <JRamsay> ... this particular one looks rather specific to SSN
21:13:48 <phila> present+ phila
21:14:11 <phila> phila: Apologies for being late - had to use a diff laptop for WebEx
21:14:52 <kerry> q?
21:15:02 <JRamsay> roba: issue is still to understand how to standardise approach within domain. There is lots of detail overlap.
21:16:15 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
21:16:23 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
21:16:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/23-sdwssn-minutes.html phila
21:17:03 <kerry> q?
21:17:04 <JRamsay> Kerry: are we talking about the same thing? Talking about requirement on SSN, from UCR doc
21:18:08 <ahaller2> q+
21:18:16 <kerry> ack ahaller2
21:18:36 <JRamsay> ahaller2: for first requirement- a little abstract?
21:18:54 <ahaller2> +1 for 2nd requirement
21:19:13 <kerry> resolved: ucr doc to incorp requirement for actuation
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21:19:39 <kerry> ucr : Review the extent to which domain-specific or open-ended elements of SSN should be extended, possibly by reference to external ontologies (skos-like vocabularies) as exemplars, or by small additional components.
21:19:40 <ChrisLittle> Present+ ChrisLittle
21:20:13 <frans> Is it a requirement for examples that show how ssn can be used?
21:20:53 <JRamsay> Kerry: yes, this  has all sorts of things of people wanting on advice on how to do things that SSN may not do itself. May not need to be a requirement. Could be best practice
21:20:56 <kerry> q?
21:21:04 <kerry> ack ahaller2
21:21:05 <frans> Then I think is is a good and valid requirement
21:23:03 <DanhLePhuoc> q+
21:23:37 <kerry> resolution: Frans to include appropriate use case on (1) above
21:23:59 <ahaller2> ack ahaller
21:24:00 <JRamsay> topic: SSN: Issue tracking and public discussion (PhilA?)
21:24:03 <kerry> topic: SSN: Issue tracking and public discussion (PhilA?)
21:24:39 <kerry> q?
21:24:50 <DanhLePhuoc> q-
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21:25:30 <JRamsay> phila: things are being discussed in two places- github and issue tracker. This is a problem for archiving.
21:25:53 <JRamsay> ... github doesn't have a pledge for archiving
21:26:34 <ScottSimmons> q+
21:27:10 <JRamsay> ... all conversations should be recorded and archived. Whole group should know what is happening. Not everyone sees github..
21:27:59 <kerry> ack ScottSimmons
21:28:06 <ChrisLittle> +1 to discussions on mailing list. Docs on GitHub
21:28:10 <JRamsay> ... discussion specific to doc itself can go on github
21:28:42 <kerry> q?
21:28:42 <JRamsay> ScottSimmons: OGC has the same policy.
21:29:52 <JRamsay> Kerry: I also think that is is important to use mailing list to include the rest of the sdw working group
21:29:55 <kerry> q?
21:30:45 <kerry> q?
21:31:16 <JRamsay> ahaller2: Thats okay. some things are just much easier on github.
21:31:55 <SimonCox> q+
21:31:59 <JRamsay> phila: just be aware of the audience. If the issue is better discussed on github, do that, but consider mailing list first.
21:32:51 <JRamsay> ... when chair is looking at issues in meetings, look at github also?
21:33:57 <JRamsay> ... we don't want to be dictatorial. As long as everyone is aware, thats the important thing.
21:34:26 <kerry> ack SimonCox
21:34:43 <kerry> q?
21:34:55 <kerry> UCR - reviewing for SSN requirements issue-73 and https://www.w3.org/2016/08/17-sdw-minutes#item05 (Kerry)
21:35:07 <phila> issue-73?
21:35:07 <trackbot> issue-73 -- Ssn group needs to produce a wiki document that realtes to requirements met or not from ucr -- raised
21:35:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/73
21:35:42 <JRamsay> topic: UCR - reviewing for SSN requirements issue-73 and https://www.w3.org/2016/08/17-sdw-minutes#item05 (Kerry)
21:37:52 <JRamsay> Kerry: anybody who is happy to look through the UCR doc to analyse from W3C working group perspective?
21:38:54 <frans> editor´s draft of the UCR doc: http://w3c.github.io/sdw/UseCases/SDWUseCasesAndRequirements.html
21:39:58 <kerry> action: roba to review UCR doc from an SSN viewpoint -- is it complete and correct?
21:39:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-195 - Review ucr doc from an ssn viewpoint -- is it complete and correct? [on Rob Atkinson - due 2016-08-30].
21:40:00 <JRamsay> roba: The comments I've made previously still haven't been mentioned in there, and are key concerns for spatial data. Is a challenge though.
21:40:35 <JRamsay> ... I'm willing to give this a review, but I need to understand better how to do this.
21:40:39 <kerry> q?
21:40:56 <SimonCox> roba: UoM & precision are relevant to many UCs - probably a BP issue rather than narrowly SSN?
21:42:30 <JRamsay> roba: if we are keeping the integrity, we need to make sure it gets into the use case requirements
21:44:02 <JRamsay> phila: we will need a table in the doc that says how we met the requirements, or why they aren't relevant to address.
21:44:10 <frans> q+
21:44:16 <kerry> q?
21:44:23 <kerry> ack frans
21:44:42 <JRamsay> frans: it is probably out of scope for spatial data.
21:44:52 <kerry> q?
21:46:56 <JRamsay> My audio  just dropped out for scribing the last 30s. Anyone catch that?
21:47:27 <kerry> roba: precision and uom needs to be pushed inot one or more of our deliverables
21:47:34 <kerry> q?
21:47:46 <SimonCox> (talking about internationalization, ISO standards allow for the French-style decimal point indicator - comma vs. period!)
21:48:02 <JRamsay> thanks
21:48:48 <JRamsay> roba: is it BP or SSN?
21:49:03 <JRamsay> Kerry: Both
21:49:27 <frans> q+
21:49:35 <kerry> ack frans
21:49:38 <SimonCox> phila: expressing quantity (or 'measure') as number+uom is like internationalization ...
21:50:03 <SimonCox> q+
21:50:14 <JRamsay> frans: many requirements just come from doing things the way you are meant to do them
21:50:28 <kerry> q?
21:50:57 <kerry> ack SimonCox
21:52:10 <kerry> q?
21:52:10 <JRamsay> SimonCox: there is similarity between CRS and UoM.
21:52:15 <frans> But CRS is really spatial
21:52:22 <kerry> q?
21:52:40 <JRamsay> ... the pattern is the same.
21:53:24 <kerry> q?
21:54:03 <kerry> roba: suiggests tweaking the CRS ucr to include uom and precision....
21:54:19 <ChrisLittle> Q+
21:54:38 <kerry> q?
21:55:20 <kerry> issue: that uom and precision should be covered in UCR and BP (and respected in other deliverables too)
21:55:20 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-74 - That uom and precision should be covered in ucr and bp (and respected in other deliverables too).  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/74/edit>.
21:55:38 <SimonCox> q+
21:55:47 <kerry> ack ChrisLittle
21:56:17 <JRamsay> ChrisLittle: did roba mean precision or accuracy?
21:56:23 <JRamsay> roba: precision.
21:56:31 <kerry> q?
21:56:46 <SefkiKolozali_UniS> q+
21:56:59 <kerry> q?
21:57:03 <kerry> ack SimonCox
21:57:40 <JRamsay> SimonCox: Did a lot of the writing in the time deliverable. Temporal issues coming up a lot. Accuracy is more centrally part of this group.
21:58:11 <SimonCox> Reference systems stuff coming up a lot ...
21:58:30 <kerry> q?
21:58:37 <kerry> ack SefkiKolozali_UniS
22:00:26 <kerry> Web of Things: joint meeting with oneM2M today https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2016Aug/0070.html
22:01:27 <kerry> Web of Things: meet at Lisbon, possibly https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2016/SessionIdeas
22:02:55 <kerry> q?
22:03:00 <phila> RRSAgent, generate minutes
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22:04:05 <kerry> q?
22:04:15 <ChrisLittle> Bye
22:04:23 <frans> Good night or day!
22:04:23 <SimonCox> bye
22:04:54 <phila> RRSAgent, generate minutes
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