<scribe> scribe: dape

<scribe> scribeNick: DP

<kaz> scribenick: dape

Johannes walks through Agenda

JH: Blog entry for Beijing
... WG preperation
... joined demo
... joined meetings with other groups
... IG Deliverables
... technical points we should discuss (e.g. break-out session at TPAC)
... Any additions for agenda?

None

Blog entry for Beijing

UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: https://www.w3.org/blog/wotig/2016/08/01/w3c-web-of-things-ig-meeting-in-beijing-11-14-july-2016/

JH: anyone can write blog post
... should keep blog vivid
... Has someone given a presentation (conference or so) lately?
... I gave talk at ICC HP
... how WoT can help people with disabilities

WG preperation

JH: Kaz, do we have any feedback from management already?

Kaz: Yes
... a few initial comments
... still reviewing draft
... Wendy: Current practices document and relationship with implementations
... will respond
... 2nd question from Wendy: Current practices document and relationship with linked data and semantic web approaches

JH: should take points with us
... can talk about first comment
... reach out to implementations... not many particpiating yet
... at the moment the relation is not very tight
... it is more a list of general implementations

DP: people willung to join remote plugfest
... expect more implementations once we setup a remote plugfest

JH: idea is have "all" web of things implementations without restricting the list to PlugFest participants
... get them on board and work with them to join the efforts
... will try to prepare response for Wendy
... Once we got feedback from W3M we incorporate it
... encourage companies to point internally to WG charter
... to request feedback

Kaz: Judy is also interested from W3C accessibility

JH: Other points?

Kaz: yes
... first call for Uday from RWE

Uday: self introduction... started with lemonbeat
... Frank is also with Lemonbeat
... trying to work on standardization of protocol

JH: Welcome on board!

TPAC 2016

<kaz> TPAC schedule

JH: initial idea to have a joined demo instead of PlugFest
... 4 tables
... table for TD, scripting API, protocol bindings, reference architecture
... I assume we will have room for Wednesday, right Kaz?

Kaz: That is the plan.. talking to planning team
... question whether we need additional room for preparation?

JH: Would be very good
... having setup and pre-testing

Kaz: will keep you informed

JH: Idea during AC meeting having a presentation
... showing WoT activities
... not sure whether there is a schedule yet?

Kaz: not yet
... Tuesday might be better

JH: Yes

Kaz: will check with planner team as well

JH: for demo... nothing new
... CP document is freezed
... however if there are more members participating it would be very good

DP: No list yet

JH: setup list?

<kaz> +1 to check with people now :)

JH: anyone in the call willing to join?

DP: does it make sense to setup wiki page

JH: Yes, ... first statement of interest
... ask people who joined in the past
... offline

DP: create page and send it to mailinglist

Kaz: would like to ask people during this call...

JH: Michael, any plans to join demo

MK: I was planning to provide something..
... not sure if I can travel
... maybe remote participation
... conflicting meeting also
... working on IOTivity also

DP: one more demo with small robot...

Nakasan: Panasonic will join TPAC showing same appliance

JH: Very good!

Nan_Wang: CETC, no final decision made yet

TK: Fujitsu likely to show demo from Beijung (need still to check)

Uday: Need to check back with Frank w.r.t. Lemonbeat

JH: Promising to see same demos..
... maybe also some more
... thanks!
... Next is about "Outreach/Ad-Hoc meetings on Monday&Tuesday"
... various groups meet-up
... chance to meet other groups

<kaz> TPAC schedule

JH: own meeting are on Thursday and Friday
... plennary meeting on Wednesday
... idea would be to have joint discussions with other groups on Monday & Thursday
... very beneficial from past experience
... during TPAC registration one can ask for observing other groups
... besides there is the concept of ad-hoc meeting
... let's go through list
... accessible platform architecture WG
... had joint meeting with automotive... closely related topics

Kaz: I am staff contact for automotive as well

<jhund> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/schedule.html

JH: suggest individually going through list ..
... automotive WG seems important to me

Kaz: will ask chair

JH: device and sensors wg
... did have joint session
... similar to scripting API
... tobie langel still involved?

Kaz: yes
... will outreach

JH: EXI wg
... outreach is simple.. Taki is chair
... MMI
... had meeting with MMI

Kaz: think joint meeting with MMI is important
... WoT should be used for device layer
... MMI for user interface

JH: spatial data wg...
... task force of TD had joint meeting
... can ask Sebastian for outreach
... Web and TV IG could make sense
... TV could load TD et cetera..
... might be joint interest
... don't think we had joint discussions

Kaz: I am staff contact for the Web and TV IG as well
... these days Web and TV IG has two topics
... 1. Cloud Browser --- client/server based rendering system
... 2. GGIE --- Web Content distribution ecosystem including IDs for both the content and the user
... interest in how to integrate TVs and other devices
... on the other hand, TV control API part has become a separate group, the TV control WG
... there will be a joint session between the Web and TV IG and the TV Control WG on Monday (Sep. 19), so meeting with TV guys on Monday sounds good

JH: there will be the meeting of the TV Control WG, so Tuesday is also fine
... let's first check when people arrive
... suggest having wiki page

Kaz: Johannes, do you plan to contact accessibility group yourself?

JH: Yes

Kaz: I will contact other WGs (besides EXI)

<kaz> ACTION: kaz to talk with the group chairs/team contacts about joint meetings during TPAC for Automotive, DAS, MMI and TV(Web&TV/TV Control) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/08/10-wot-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Talk with the group chairs/team contacts about joint meetings during tpac for automotive, das, mmi and tv(web&tv/tv control) [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2016-08-17].

JH: Sebastian can outreach spatial data

<kaz> kaz: can talk with Michael Cooper for Accessible Platform (CCing Johannes)

JH: Who can setup wiki page for joint meeting?
... can also use existing page

DP: created template for TPAC

<kaz> Lisbon f2f wiki

JH: Meeting schedule for TPAC?

Johannes editing wiki page ... new section about topics

JH: added "subscriptions"
... "scripting API follow-ups"

MK: Matthias asked be to do more work on MQTT protocol binding

JH: correct, also BLE, GATT
... also TD lifecycle

MK: also "Revisit type system"

JH: discussions around "synchronizing" things and proxies

Kaz: we should update plugfest section of the Lisbon f2f wiki with concrete content like the schedule table and requirements

DP: did not do that because I think there is no real PlugFest.. instead Demo
... where to put list for "demo" tables

JH: own page I suggest

<Zakim> kaz, you wanted to suggest Automotive, Device&Sensors, EXI and MMI

ack

JH: idea to have a template for demo tables

WoT Flyer

YY: So far we did not get any comments for the Flyers design

<yingying> sales sheet draft

YY: tomorrow is deadline
... please comment

JH: any comment in the call?
... can walk through the content quickly right now
... one flyer for senior decision makers
... one flyer for developers
... I think the messages are from Montreal F2F
... maybe sending out reminder

YY: will do so

JH: how to comment

DP: used inline wiki

<kaz> Flyers wiki (Member-only)

JH: any comment besides DPs comment?

Kaz: wanted to clarify
... members should comment wiki and not Word file, correct?

YY: marketing team reviewed flyer content... seemed very technical to them
... content in 2 word files is just to show concept

Kaz: conflict between word and wiki

YY: Need to make sure that content is less technical
... should be more business oriented
... if it is so technical... we don't need another one (have previous version)

Kaz: Do you (and others) think we should concentrate on senior decision makers?

YY: Olive tried to make it more business oriented

Kaz: I fear that word and wiki has different content
... question#1 are we okay with using olives proposal
... question#2 do we think the content is complete

YY: image is not set... just the concept

Kaz: think due to short time we should concentrate on word file generated from word file...

YY: I don't think so... deadline for wiki is tomorrrow... word is later

Kaz: need to clarify "what" people should review by tomorrow

DP: not sure now whether we plan to have still 2 flyers or just one ...

YY: marketing team knows sales sheet
... having one side technical
... one business oriented
... seems to be misunderstanding between us and marketing team

JH: think messages in wiki are still good
... ask everybody to review wiki
... ask comm team to clarify misunderstanding

Kaz: will check with marketing team

JH: ask everybody to review wiki
... time is running short

IG Deliverables

Kaz: one comment, IG deliverable, ... got resolution for most of the deliverables document last week
... also got confirmation from Kajimoto-san to publish the architecture document as note
... can simply publish it after his update on the abstract/status sections

JH: yes... got no objections

RESOLUTION: publish the architecture document as well as an IG note