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12:03:22 <kaz> present+ Kaz, Michael, Bowen, Daniel, Johannes, Masato, Nan, Takuki, Uday
12:03:33 <jhund> Chair: Johannes
12:04:24 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
12:04:24 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Masato
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12:05:12 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
12:05:12 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Michael
12:05:27 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
12:05:27 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Johannes
12:05:30 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
12:05:30 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Daniel
12:05:50 <dape> scribe: dape
12:05:54 <dape> scribeNick: DP
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12:06:05 <kaz> scribenick: dape
12:08:29 <dape> Johannes walks through Agenda
12:08:38 <dape> JH: Blog entry for Beijing
12:08:47 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_WebConf#Agenda_of_next_WoT_IG_WebConf:_8_August_2016
12:08:54 <dape> JH: WG  preperation
12:09:07 <dape> ... joined demo
12:09:27 <dape> ... joined meetings with other groups
12:09:50 <dape> ... IG Deliverables
12:10:37 <dape> ... technical points we should discuss (e.g. break-out session at TPAC)
12:10:52 <dape> JH: Any additions for agenda?
12:11:00 <dape> None
12:11:10 <dape> TOPIC: Blog entry for Beijing
12:11:20 <dape> ... https://www.w3.org/blog/wotig/2016/08/01/w3c-web-of-things-ig-meeting-in-beijing-11-14-july-2016/
12:11:42 <dape> JH: anyone can write blog post
12:11:58 <dape> ... should keep blog vivid
12:12:36 <dape> JH: Has someone given a presentation (conference or so) lately?
12:13:05 <dape> ... I gave talk at ICC HP
12:13:27 <dape> ... how WoT can help people with disabilities
12:13:54 <dape> TOPIC: WG preperation
12:14:09 <dape> JH: Kaz, do we have any feedback from management already?
12:14:13 <dape> Kaz: Yes
12:14:18 <dape> ... a few initial comments
12:14:28 <dape> ... still reviewing draft
12:14:58 <dape> ... Wendy: Current practices document and relationship with implementations
12:15:09 <dape> ... will respond
12:15:40 <dape> ... 2nd question from Wendy: Current practices document and relationship with linked data and semantic web approaches
12:16:15 <dape> JH: should take points with us
12:16:25 <dape> .. can talk about first comment
12:17:01 <dape> ... reach out to implementations... not many particpiating yet
12:17:03 <dape> q+
12:17:29 <dape> ... at the moment the relation is not very tight
12:17:50 <dape> ... it is more a list of general implementations
12:18:08 <kaz> q?
12:18:11 <kaz> ack d
12:19:01 <kaz> present+ Katsuyoshi
12:19:21 <dape> DP: people willung to join remote plugfest
12:19:56 <dape> ... expect more implementations once we setup a remote plugfest
12:20:32 <dape> JH: idea is have "all" web of things implementations without restricting the list to PlugFest participants
12:20:48 <dape> ... get them on board and work with them to join the efforts
12:21:10 <dape> ... will try to prepare response for Wendy
12:21:29 <yingying> present+ Yingying
12:21:38 <dape> JH: Once we got feedback from W3M we incorporate it
12:22:26 <dape> ... encourage companies to point internally to WG charter
12:22:38 <dape> .. to request feedback
12:23:18 <dape> Kaz: Judy is also interested from W3C accessibility
12:23:35 <dape> JH: Other points?
12:23:40 <dape> Kaz: yes
12:23:55 <dape> .. first call from Uday
12:24:30 <kaz> s/from Uday/for Uday from RWE/
12:24:35 <dape> Uday: self introduction... started with lemonbeat
12:24:51 <dape> ... Frank is also with Lemonbeat
12:25:09 <dape> ... trying to work on standardization of protocol
12:25:15 <dape> JH: Welcome on board!
12:26:07 <dape> TOPIC: TPAC 2016
12:26:13 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:26:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:26:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/10-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:26:32 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/schedule.html TPAC schedule
12:26:40 <dape> JH: initial idea to have a joined demo instead of PlugFest
12:27:05 <dape> ... 4 tables
12:27:27 <dape> ... table for TD, scripting API, protocol bindings, reference architecture
12:28:19 <dape> ... I assume we will have room for Wednesday, right Kaz?
12:28:34 <dape> Kaz: That is the plan.. talking to planning team
12:28:57 <dape> ... question whether we need additional room for preparation?
12:29:03 <dape> JH: Would be very good
12:29:15 <dape> ... having setup and pre-testing
12:29:30 <dape> Kaz: will keep you informed
12:29:49 <dape> JH: Idea during AC meeting having a presentation
12:29:58 <dape> .. showing WoT activities
12:30:20 <dape> ... not sure whether there is a schedule yet?
12:30:26 <dape> Kaz: not yet
12:30:36 <dape> ... Tuesday might be better
12:30:38 <dape> JH: Yes
12:30:50 <dape> Kaz: will check with planner team as well
12:31:05 <dape> JH: for demo... nothing new
12:31:13 <dape> ... CP document is freezed
12:31:42 <dape> ... however if there are more members participating it would be very good
12:32:31 <dape> DP: No list yet
12:32:49 <dape> JH: setup list?
12:33:06 <kaz> +1 to check with people now :)
12:33:17 <dape> ... anyone in the call willing to join
12:33:28 <kaz> s/join/join?/
12:34:07 <dape> DP: does it make sense to setup wiki page
12:34:17 <dape> JH: Yes, ... first statement of interest
12:34:49 <dape> ... ask people who joined in the past
12:35:13 <dape> .. offline
12:35:35 <dape> DP: create page and send it to mailinglist
12:35:47 <dape> Kaz: would like to ask people in the call...
12:36:07 <kaz> s/in the/during this/
12:36:20 <dape> JH: Michael, any plans to join demo
12:36:56 <dape> MK: I was planning to provide something..
12:37:04 <dape> ... not sure if I can travel
12:37:16 <dape> ... maybe remote participation
12:37:50 <dape> ... conflicting meeting also
12:37:59 <dape> .... working on IOTivity also
12:39:07 <dape> DP: one more demo with small robot...
12:39:34 <dape> Nakasan: Panasonic will join TPAC showing same appliance
12:39:37 <dape> JH: Very good!
12:41:37 <dape> Nan_Wang: CETC,  no final decision made yet
12:42:25 <dape> TK: Fujitsu likely to show demo from Beijung (need still to check)
12:42:51 <dape> Uday: Need to check back with Frank w.r.t. Lemonbeat
12:43:24 <dape> JH: Promising to see same demos..
12:43:31 <dape> ... maybe also some nore
12:43:36 <dape> s/nore/more
12:43:40 <dape> ... thanks!
12:44:09 <dape> JH: Next is about "Outreach/Ad-Hoc meetings on Monday&Tuesday"
12:44:32 <dape> ... various groups meet-up
12:44:50 <dape> ... chance to meet other groups
12:45:00 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/schedule.html TPAC schedule
12:45:02 <dape> ... own meeting are on Thursday and Friday
12:45:14 <dape> ... plennary meeting on Wednesday
12:45:48 <dape> .. idea would be to have joint discussions with other groups on Monday & Thursday
12:46:16 <dape> ... very beneficial from past experience
12:47:32 <dape> ... during TPAC registration one can ask for observing other groups
12:47:57 <dape> ... besides there is the concept of ad-hoc meeting
12:48:01 <kaz> q+ to suggest Automotive, Device&Sensors, EXI and MMI
12:48:21 <dape> ... let's go through list
12:48:57 <dape> ... accessible platform architecture WG
12:49:30 <dape> ... had joint meeting with automotive... closely related topics
12:49:54 <dape> Kaz: I am staff contact
12:50:04 <jhund> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/schedule.html
12:50:17 <dape> JH: suggest individually going through list ..
12:50:34 <kaz> s/contact/contact for automotive as well/
12:50:50 <dape> ... automotive WG seems important to me
12:51:03 <dape> Kaz: will ask chair
12:51:22 <dape> JH: device and sensors wg
12:51:36 <dape> ... did have joint session
12:51:43 <dape> ... similar to scripting API
12:52:15 <dape> JH: tobie langel still involved?
12:52:17 <dape> Kaz: yes
12:52:35 <dape> .. will outreach
12:52:45 <dape> JH: EXI wg
12:53:02 <dape> .. outreach is simple.. Taki is chair
12:53:30 <dape> JH: MMI
12:53:41 <dape> .. had meeting with MMI
12:54:09 <dape> Kaz: think joint meeting with MMI is important
12:54:18 <dape> ... WoT should be used for device layer
12:54:26 <dape> ... MMI for user interface
12:54:58 <dape> JH: spatial data wg...
12:55:11 <dape> .. task force of TD had joint meeting
12:55:24 <dape> ... can ask Sebastian for outreach
12:55:55 <dape> JH: Web and TV IG could make sense
12:56:04 <dape> .... TV could load TD et cetera..
12:56:11 <dape> ... might be joint interest
12:56:29 <dape> .. don't think we had joint discussions
12:56:44 <dape> Kaz: I am staff contact
12:57:33 <dape> ... Web and TV ---> cloud browser (client/server based rendering system)
12:58:18 <dape> ... Web Content ---> AAAAAA
12:59:21 <dape> Kaz: interest in how to integrate TVs and other devices
12:59:41 <dape> ... TV control API part ... became separate part
12:59:51 <dape> .... TV control WG
13:00:20 <kaz> s/separate part/separate group/
13:00:28 <dape> ... meeting with TV guys on Monday sounds good
13:00:51 <dape> JH: Tuesday is also fine
13:01:17 <dape> ... let's first check when people arrive
13:01:29 <dape> ... suggest having wiki page
13:02:53 <kaz> action: kaz to talk with the group chairs/team contacts about joint meetings during TPAC for Automotive, DAS, MMI and TV(Web&TV/TV Control)
13:02:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Talk with the group chairs/team contacts about joint meetings during tpac for automotive, das, mmi and tv(web&tv/tv control) [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2016-08-17].
13:02:54 <dape> Kaz: Johannes, do you plan to contact accessibility group yourself?
13:02:57 <dape> JH: Yes
13:03:09 <dape> Kaz: I will contact other WG (besides EXI)
13:03:25 <dape> s/WG (besides EXI)/WGs (besides EXI)
13:03:39 <dape> JH: Sebastian can outreach spatial data
13:05:00 <kaz> kaz: can talk with Michael Cooper for Accessible Platform (CCing Johannes)
13:05:17 <dape> JH: Who can setup wiki page for joint meeting?
13:05:30 <dape> ... can also use existing page
13:06:21 <dape> DP: created template for TPAC
13:06:48 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2016,_Portugal,_Lisbon Lisbon f2f wiki
13:06:54 <dape> JH: Meeting schedule for TPAC?
13:08:11 <dape> Johannes editing wiki page ... new section about topics
13:08:33 <dape> JH: added "subscriptions"
13:08:48 <dape> ... "scripting API follow-ups"
13:09:15 <dape> MK: Matthias asked be to do more work on MQTT protocol binding
13:09:29 <dape> JH: correct, also BLE, GATT
13:09:52 <dape> ... also TD lifecycle
13:10:36 <dape> MK: also "Revisit type system"
13:11:28 <dape> JH: discussions around "synchronizing" things and proxies
13:12:17 <dape> q+
13:12:36 <yingying> q+
13:12:43 <dape> Kaz: add plugfest section to wiki
13:13:20 <kaz> s/add/we should add/
13:13:35 <kaz> s/should add/should update/
13:13:43 <dape> DP: did not do that because I think there is no real PlugFest.. instead Demo
13:14:06 <kaz> s/to wiki/of the Lisbon f2f wiki with concrete content like the schedule table and requirements/
13:16:27 <dape> DP: where to put list for "demo" tables
13:16:36 <dape> JH: own page I suggest
13:16:40 <kaz> q?
13:16:42 <kaz> ack k
13:16:42 <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to suggest Automotive, Device&Sensors, EXI and MMI
13:17:17 <kaz> ack d
13:17:20 <dape> ack
13:17:44 <dape> JH: idea to have a template for demo tables
13:18:47 <dape> YY: So far we did not get any comments for the Flyers design
13:18:52 <yingying> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-ig/2016Aug/0000.html sales sheet draft
13:18:57 <dape> ... tomorrow is deadline
13:19:08 <dape> ... please comment
13:20:43 <dape> JH: any comment in the call?
13:22:58 <dape> ... can walk through the content quickly right now
13:23:24 <dape> ... one flyer for senior decision makers
13:23:37 <dape> ... one flyer for developers
13:24:01 <kaz> q+
13:24:03 <kaz> ack y
13:24:05 <dape> ... I think the messages are from Montreal F2F
13:24:13 <kaz> q?
13:24:17 <dape> ... maybe sending out reminder
13:24:21 <dape> YY: will do so
13:24:50 <dape> JH: how to comment
13:25:01 <dape> DP: used inline wiki
13:26:00 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/Member/wiki/WoT/Flyers Flyers wiki (Member-only)
13:27:08 <kaz> q?
13:27:18 <dape> JH: any comment besides DPs comment?
13:27:34 <dape> Kaz: wanted to clarify
13:28:05 <dape> ... members should comment wiki and not Word file, correct?
13:28:55 <dape> YY: marketing team reviewed flyer content... seemed very technical to them
13:29:27 <dape> ... content in 2 word files is just to show concept
13:30:10 <dape> Kaz: conflict between word and wiki
13:31:00 <dape> YY: Need to make sure that content is less technical
13:31:44 <dape> ... should be more business oriented
13:32:54 <dape> ... if it is so technical... we don't need another one (have previous version)
13:33:45 <dape> Kaz: Do you (and others) think we should concentrate on senior decision makers?
13:34:10 <dape> YY: Olive tried to make it more business oriented
13:35:20 <dape> Kaz: I fear that word and wiki has different content
13:35:49 <dape> ... question#1 are we okay with using olives proposal
13:36:04 <dape> ... question#2 do we think the content is complete
13:36:21 <dape> YY: image is not set... just the concept
13:37:51 <dape> Kaz: think due to short time we should concentrate on word file generated from word file...
13:38:25 <dape> YY: I don't think so... deadline for wiki is tomorrrow... word is later
13:39:15 <dape> q+
13:39:54 <jhund> ack kaz
13:41:05 <dape> Kaz: need to clarify "what" people should review by tomorrow
13:41:48 <kaz> q?
13:41:50 <kaz> ack d
13:41:58 <jhund> ack dape
13:42:40 <dape> DP: not sure now whether we plan to have still 2 flyers or just one ...
13:43:31 <dape> YY: marketing team knows sales sheet
13:43:39 <dape> .. having one side technical
13:43:46 <dape> ... one business oriented
13:45:18 <dape> ... seems to be misunderstanding between us and marketing team
13:45:31 <dape> JH: think messages in wiki are still good
13:46:06 <dape> .. ask everybody to review wiki
13:47:18 <dape> ... ask comm team to clarify misunderstanding
13:49:26 <dape> Kaz: will check with marketing team
13:50:22 <dape> JH: ask everybody to review wiki
13:51:00 <dape> ... time is running short
13:52:01 <dape> Kaz: one comment, IG deliverable, ...also publish architecture document as note
13:52:13 <dape> .. got resolution last week
13:52:22 <dape> ... can simply publish
13:52:52 <dape> JH: yes... got no objections
13:53:17 <kaz> RESOLUTION: publish the architecture document as well as an IG note
13:53:24 <jhund> RESOLUTION: publish Architecture document
13:55:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:55:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/10-wot-minutes.html kaz
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