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18:43:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:43:05 <trackbot> Date: 09 August 2016
18:44:22 <clown> agenda: this
18:44:33 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-706/ACTION-980 (Cynthia, All) Describe/define aria related states managed by the user agent.
18:44:45 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-2102: (Rich, All) Create mappings based on features in html 5.1 spec.
18:45:11 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-676/ACTION-2083: (Joanie, Joseph) Review ATK/AT-SPI states for aria states and properties.
18:45:19 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-663: (Rich) Presentational children of some widgets have doclick actions if make presentational who handles the click
18:45:30 <clown> agenda+ Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
18:45:37 <clown> agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:45:42 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:45:48 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
18:45:54 <clown> agenda+ be done.
18:48:14 <clown> clown has changed the topic to: WebEx Access Code 641 707 405 (Next meeting 09-Aug-2016, 20:00 UTC)
18:48:45 <clown> clown has changed the topic to: WebEx Access Code 641 707 405 (Next meeting 30-Aug-2016, 20:00 UTC)
18:57:13 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
18:57:16 <joanie> scribe: joanie
18:57:40 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
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19:08:20 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
19:12:19 <joanie> Topic: Upcoming meetings
19:12:31 <joanie> JS: I am unavailable for the next couple of weeks.
19:12:40 <joanie> JS: As usual, if you want to meet without me, you can.
19:12:57 <joanie> JS: Otherwise, I'll send out an email saying the next two meetings are cancelled.
19:13:06 <joanie> RS: I'm still working on existing issues and mappings.
19:13:18 <joanie> JS: Then I will cancel the next two meetings.
19:17:31 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 2
19:17:31 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ACTION-2102: (Rich, All) Create mappings based on features in html 5.1 spec." taken up [from clown]
19:17:35 <clown> action-2102?
19:17:36 <trackbot> action-2102 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Create mappings based on features in html 5.1 spec. -- due 2016-08-04 -- OPEN
19:17:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2102
19:18:04 <joanie> RS: Regarding that mapping, they are concerned that table spans are not contiguous.
19:18:08 <joanie> JS: Is that even true?
19:18:13 <joanie> RS: It could be.
19:18:27 <joanie> RS: What if you hide a column in the middle?
19:18:35 <joanie> JS: Row would be easier.
19:19:26 <joanie> RS: They indicated that with traditional tables, you could count on cells being contiguous.
19:22:52 <joanie> JD: I don't understand why exposing this via the TableCell interface is such a problem.
19:23:43 <joanie> JD: If you have an accessible table cell, and you have the indices and spans on that accessible object via object attribute, why can you not take that same exact information and expose it via the TableCell API on that very same object?
19:24:09 <joanie> JD: But I haven't had time to follow up on the email thread yet.
19:24:20 <joanie> RS: Both platforms do have a table cell interface.
19:24:34 <joanie> RS: And the HTML AAM includes mappings for the table cell interface.
19:25:00 <joanie> RS: So I assume that Gecko already implements that interface at least for IA2.
19:25:26 <joanie> JD: That would be news to me, because in general what is implemented in IA2 that is parallel to ATK also shows up in ATK.
19:25:45 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2102/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaColIndex
19:25:52 <joanie> JS: I have one comment on the new text (link above)
19:26:09 <joanie> JS: Actually it's colspan.
19:26:16 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2102/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaColSpan
19:26:44 <joanie> JS: If you look at colspan (link above), the AXAPI mapping has "column index"
19:27:13 <joanie> JS: For colspan, it says "AXAPIAXColumnIndexRange: loc=<column index> len=<colspan value>"
19:27:26 <joanie> RS: Yeah, that's a copy-and-paste error.
19:28:08 <joanie> s/AXAPIAXColumnIndexRange/AXAPI AXColumnIndexRange/
19:31:58 <joanie> JS: rowindex and rowspan have the same issue.
19:32:29 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2102/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaRowSpan
19:35:40 <joanie> JD: Looking at it, I don't think they are wrong; I think it needs to be in both places (aria-colindex and aria-colspan).
19:36:20 <clown> "AXRowIndexRange: loc=<row index> len=<rowspan value> "
19:37:02 <joanie> JD: Because they have a single API which retrieves both the index and span.
19:43:42 <joanie> RS: Ok, I just updated my branch.
19:44:07 <joanie> RS: We'll have to discuss what happens with the native host language semantics if the author hasn't provided the value.
19:44:37 <joanie> JD: Well, the ARIA spec has an "authors MUST," so technically failure to provide the value is an authoring error.
19:48:52 <joanie> JS: And what about aria-details.
19:49:00 <joanie> JD: We're blocked on James Teh.
19:49:19 <joanie> RS: Jamie and Alex had not updated the IDL for IA2 for over three years.
19:49:43 <joanie> RS: Freedom Scientific looked for the new landmark role and couldn't find it.
19:49:58 <joanie> RS: And they haven't decided on mapping for aria-details.
19:56:48 <joanie> agenda?
19:56:56 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 4
19:56:57 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ISSUE-663: (Rich) Presentational children of some widgets have doclick actions if make presentational who handles the click" taken up [from clown]
19:57:04 <clown> issue-663?
19:57:04 <trackbot> issue-663 -- Presentational children of some widgets have doclick actions if make presentational who handles the click -- open
19:57:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/663
19:57:04 <joanie> JS: I want to close this issue.
19:57:15 <joanie> JS: Rich, you opened this a long time ago.
19:57:34 <joanie> JS: I think this is now covered in your new section in the spec on presentation overrides.
19:57:40 <joanie> RS: Which section?
19:58:23 <joanie> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#presentation
19:58:42 <joanie> RS: Under "Presentational Roles Conflict Resolution"
19:59:08 <joanie> JS: I think this section addresses the action.
19:59:14 <joanie> RS: Yes, it's addressed.
19:59:22 <joanie> JS: Can I close this issue?
19:59:37 <joanie> RS: But it's not in the Core Mapping spec.
20:00:37 <clown> action-1681
20:00:37 <trackbot> action-1681 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose new wording, as an editorial change only to clarify the inclusion rules in section 5.1.2 -- due 2016-08-30 -- OPEN
20:00:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1681
20:00:54 <joanie> RS: I added it to the issue.
20:01:03 <joanie> JS: My action is action-1681 (above)
20:01:33 <joanie> JS: Though that's associated with a different issue.
20:01:46 <joanie> RS: I'll add a note to mine.
20:01:55 <joanie> RS: Then you can close them both out after you do your action.
20:01:59 <joanie> JS: That works for me.
20:04:56 <joanie> regrets+ Cynthia_Shelly, Bryan_Garaventa
20:05:19 <joanie> Zakim, part
20:05:19 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Joanmarie_Diggs, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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20:06:38 <joanie> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
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