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13:55:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
13:55:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
13:55:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:55:45 <trackbot> Date: 04 August 2016
13:55:54 <janina> zakim, agenda?
13:55:54 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
13:55:55 <Zakim> 10. next and future meetings [from janina]
13:55:55 <Zakim> 11. be done [from janina]
13:56:01 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
13:56:01 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:56:53 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
13:56:53 <janina> agenda+ API & Payments Architecture Review [See Below]
13:56:53 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
13:56:53 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
13:56:54 <janina> agenda+ be done
14:00:14 <janina>  present+ Janina
14:00:18 <janina> Chair: Janina
14:02:38 <ShaneM> well crap.  that didnt work.
14:04:43 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
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14:13:45 <Ryladog_> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
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14:14:43 <LJWatson> scribenick: LJWatson
14:15:07 <LJWatson> zakim, agenda?
14:15:07 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
14:15:08 <Zakim> 1. preview agenda with items from two minutes [from janina]
14:15:08 <Zakim> 2. API & Payments Architecture Review [from See Below via janina]
14:15:08 <Zakim> 3. Other Business [from janina]
14:15:09 <Zakim> 4. next and future meetings [from janina]
14:15:09 <Zakim> 5. be done [from janina]
14:15:17 <LJWatson> zakim, take up item 1
14:15:17 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
14:15:41 <LJWatson> JS: Hopefully everyone has read the APIs.
14:17:45 <LJWatson> KHS: Will we meet at TPAC with Web Payments?
14:18:27 <LJWatson> JS: Thanks. we have that covered in the agenda.
14:18:31 <LJWatson> zakim, take up item 2
14:18:31 <Zakim> agendum 2. "API & Payments Architecture Review" taken up [from See Below via janina]
14:18:49 <LJWatson> JS: We've been asked for APA's position.
14:19:00 <LJWatson> ... As the sub-team, that falls to us.
14:19:16 <LJWatson> ... We will send our comments to APA for a CFC of 48 hours before sending though.
14:19:26 <LJWatson> ... Do we have concerns with any of the APIs?
14:20:13 <LJWatson> SM: I suggest each API should have a general a11y concerns section.
14:20:17 <LJWatson> KHS: +1
14:20:53 <LJWatson> SM: We want to say "when you implement this, you need to make sure it is accessible".
14:21:04 <LJWatson> LW: +1
14:21:35 <LJWatson> KHS: When I made this recommendation before, it was shutdown by Ian.
14:21:48 <LJWatson> ... It may have greater weight coming from APA.
14:21:56 <LJWatson> JS: We will need some language for the CFC.
14:22:11 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:22:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/04-apa-minutes.html LJWatson
14:22:18 <LJWatson> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
14:22:30 <LJWatson> SM: I have an action to write some language in the APA tracker already.
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14:24:25 <ShaneM> This is related to ACTION-2053
14:24:44 <LJWatson> RESOLUTION: We will write some accessibility text to recommend be included in each of the Web Payments API specifications, and use this as the basis of a CFC for APA WG.
14:25:06 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:25:38 <LJWatson> KHS: In APA we need to get serious about writing an a11y considerations document for all specifications.
14:25:46 <LJWatson> ... The privacy and security people have done this.
14:26:14 <LJWatson> JS: Noted - this is in our charter.
14:26:27 <LJWatson> ... For lack of a better name it's referred to as Web Technology Accessibility Guidelines.
14:26:41 <LJWatson> ... Michael has been wanting to do this for a long time.
14:27:43 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:27:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/04-apa-minutes.html LJWatson
14:27:57 <LJWatson> Meeting: APA Web Payments meeting
14:28:07 <LJWatson> Chair: Janina Sajka
14:28:35 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
14:28:35 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
14:28:41 <janina> +1
14:28:42 <ShaneM> +1
14:28:55 <LJWatson> +1
14:29:06 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
14:29:11 <LJWatson> present+ LJWatson
14:29:11 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here?
14:29:11 <Zakim> Present: Janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, LJWatson, ShaneM, fesch, MichaelC, Cyns, Gottfried, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Mary, Mueller, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
14:29:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see chaals, LJWatson, Ryladog_, RRSAgent, janina, MichaelC, ShaneM, Zakim, MichielBijl, slightlyoff, trackbot, joanie
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14:29:30 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:29:46 <Ryladog__> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
14:30:37 <janina> PAUR: http://rawgit.com/w3c/apa/master/payment-accessibility-reqs/index.html
14:30:38 <LJWatson> KHS: I think we will have support from Manu as we write the PAUR.
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14:37:15 <LJWatson> SM: The draft PAUR has a high level structure, but not much more.
14:37:23 <LJWatson> JS: How do we divide the work? Sections?
14:37:33 <LJWatson> SM: Suggest we send out a call for requirements first.
14:37:36 <LJWatson> KHS: Good idea
14:37:38 <LJWatson> +1
14:37:50 <LJWatson> KHS: We should look at the COGA paper on payments too.
14:38:39 <LJWatson> LW: Suggest we ask the WAI IG for help too.
14:38:43 <LJWatson> KHS: Good idea.
14:38:58 <LJWatson> JS: We could share the MAUR with them and explain what we're doing here.
14:39:53 <LJWatson> LW: We could ask people to share personal experiences about making online payments etc.
14:40:01 <LJWatson> KHS: Which then become use cases.
14:40:03 <LJWatson> LW: Right.
14:40:23 <LJWatson> KHS: I will write the email for WAI IG and send a draft over to you all for review.
14:40:28 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:40:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/04-apa-minutes.html LJWatson
14:40:36 <LJWatson> KHS: Do we have an email for this sub-team?
14:40:46 <LJWatson> JS: No, just use public-apa@w3.org
14:41:38 <LJWatson> ACTION: Katie to draft and send an email to the WAI IG, asking for help with the PAUR (both technically and in sharing experiences of using payments systems).
14:41:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2078 - Draft and send an email to the wai ig, asking for help with the paur (both technically and in sharing experiences of using payments systems). [on Katie Haritos-Shea - due 2016-08-11].
14:42:05 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:42:28 <LJWatson> JS: We should wait for responses from that before we start to populate the PAUR.
14:42:56 <LJWatson> SM: Comfortable if people respond via WAI IG or Github.
14:43:05 <LJWatson> +1
14:43:05 <ShaneM> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues
14:43:08 <ShaneM> +
14:43:27 <LJWatson> LW: On that note, do we all have editor access to the repo?
14:45:09 <LJWatson> LW: We should also create a PAUR label for the Github repo, and make sure all issues are assigned it - so it's easier to find things relevant to this work.
14:45:18 <LJWatson> JS: Will ask Michael about these things.
14:45:38 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to add a label in the APA repo that can tag things as payment requirements
14:45:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2079 - Add a label in the apa repo that can tag things as payment requirements [on Shane McCarron - due 2016-08-11].
14:46:53 <LJWatson> LW: I think Intuit has joined W3C with an interest in web payments.
14:47:10 <LJWatson> ... It would be good to ask Ted Drake if he would be interested in getting involved in this sub-team.
14:47:14 <LJWatson> JS: Yes.
14:47:16 <LJWatson> KHS: +1
14:47:22 <LJWatson> LW: Will ping him to suggest it.
14:47:43 <LJWatson> JS: We have too many groups to meet with at TPAC.
14:47:52 <LJWatson> ... what would the agenda be if we meet with Web Payments?
14:48:06 <LJWatson> KHS: Since we met with the Web Payments IG last year, things have split.
14:48:15 <ShaneM> The IG has room on their agenda.  And the people who are in the room have broader concerns
14:48:18 <LJWatson> ... The IG is likely to be more aligned with what we're doing here.
14:48:35 <LJWatson> SM: The IG meets Thursday and Friday. We can just go to them.
14:48:42 <LJWatson> ... I'll be there anyway.
14:48:58 <LJWatson> ... The IG has members from interesting bits of industry - convenience stores, retail etc.
14:49:06 <LJWatson> ... Think they have a strong interest in a11y.
14:49:13 <LJWatson> rrsagent, makeminutes
14:49:13 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'makeminutes', LJWatson.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:49:24 <LJWatson> ... So agree we should get their input.
14:49:31 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
14:49:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/04-apa-minutes.html ShaneM
14:49:42 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make logs public
14:49:47 <LJWatson> ... Don't think it needs a full APA attendance, we can just have Katie or I talk to them.
14:50:01 <LJWatson> KHS: This is the line drawn through the IG.
14:50:20 <LJWatson> ... the browser vendors, and the other organisations from retail and other bits of the industry.
14:50:21 <ShaneM> worldpay, intuit, facebook...
14:50:35 <LJWatson> ... Those retailers are the ones who can be sued for a11y, so they have a vested interest.
14:52:18 <ShaneM> http://w3c.github.io/webpayments-ig/VCTF/use-cases/#retail
14:52:20 <LJWatson> SM: We have a use case doc for verifiable claims.
14:53:07 <LJWatson> ... we don't have a11y use cases, but do incorporate a11y in the general use cases.
14:53:31 <LJWatson> ... if there is a use case to verify your age, it's implicit that everyone must be able to do this including PWD.
14:53:41 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:53:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/04-apa-minutes.html LJWatson
14:54:51 <LJWatson> ... We talked about second screen in the MAUR.
14:55:10 <LJWatson> ... in claims and payments there is a second device - for doing things like biometric identification for example.
14:55:16 <LJWatson> Don't think this has been thought through.
14:55:21 <LJWatson> KHS: +1
14:56:02 <Ryladog_> Neet to call out multiple forms of biometric authenitcation for second device through secure element
14:57:13 <LJWatson> SM: Wonder if we could ask Facebook for input?
14:57:19 <LJWatson> ... Matt King perhaps?
14:57:23 <LJWatson> JS: Yes.
14:57:32 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
14:57:32 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
14:57:54 <LJWatson> zakim, close item 3
14:57:54 <Zakim> agendum 3, Other Business, closed
14:57:55 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:57:55 <Zakim> 4. next and future meetings [from janina]
14:57:57 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
14:57:57 <Zakim> agendum 4. "next and future meetings" taken up [from janina]
14:58:31 <LJWatson> JS: If we agree the CFC ^^ lanuage is correct, and there is no comment from elsewhere in APA, we can get started I think.
14:59:29 <LJWatson> SM: Suggest we wait two weeks.
14:59:57 <LJWatson> JS: Agreed.
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