13:13:06 RRSAgent has joined #silver 13:13:06 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-silver-irc 13:13:41 Zakim has joined #silver 13:19:42 jeanne_ has joined #silver 13:20:27 Lauriat has joined #silver 13:20:35 agenda+ coordinating communication 13:20:49 SarahHorton has joined #silver 13:21:25 group reviews how we communicate and how we will document publicly the activities of the group. 13:21:42 ... brainstorming and creative work will be done in google docs 13:21:57 ... agenda and minutes will be published to the WCAG WG 13:24:27 ... this is the last call in Skype. Next week we will be meeting on WebEx. 13:32:30 agenda+ Timelines 13:33:02 Jeanne: I haven't spoken with Andrew yet 13:33:54 ... what I expect is that we should send the proposals to the WCAG WG before TPAC to allow discussion on the mailing list 13:35:34 ... Joshue previously said that Silver would be on the agenda at TPAC, so we should plan on presenting and discussing there. 13:35:55 agenda+ Project goals 13:36:01 zakim, take up item 2 13:36:01 agendum 2. "Timelines" taken up [from jeanne] 13:36:14 [prior discussion above] 13:36:19 zakim, take up item 3 13:36:19 agendum 3. "Project goals" taken up [from jeanne] 13:37:09 Shawn: Reviews email from AWK 13:37:42 Silver sub group should consider possible update models for sIlver (3.0, 3.1, etc) 13:37:42 Silver sub group should collect and consider possible models for combining WCAG/UAAG/ATAG under one banner 13:37:42 Silver sub group should develop plan to gather feedback on needs for Silver from users/authors/user agent vendors/industry 13:38:18 Shawn: Feedback channels should be timely, continuous, checked afterwards, and be diverse 13:38:52 ... the content of Silver itself should include feedback from the feedback channels 13:39:21 ... Silver should look at the structure and process of other applicable standards 13:40:05 ... in my experience, the W3C process may be public, but it is such a wall of information, it is prohibitively expensive to learn what is really going on. 13:40:39 ... for example, app creaters need to know the information, but they typically have no idea what is going on. 13:40:50 ... we need a predictable and sensible update model 13:41:43 ... which is why I want to include standards that have been around for a while and have predictable models. This is where I want to include input from legal and policy professionals. 13:42:38 ... but has to be understandable by the people who use it. 13:43:35 Jeanne: This is an important point for me -- I realize that we have to serve the legal and policy audience, but they should not be primary audience that we serve. 13:44:35 Sarah: We should consult with experts who have experience with developing other accessibility standards, especially people with UX experience designing standards. 13:45:11 ... thinking about the nature of standards and what makes them useful. 13:45:29 Shawn: We should make a list of people that we want to interview and include 13:45:50 ... include standards that do not necessarily include digital or electronic media 13:46:29 ... for example, the NYC standard for retrofitting older buildings to meet accessibility standards 13:47:03 ... look at standards that are easily communicatable across all our audiences. 13:50:25 Shawn: We could have a continuous feedback group, and reach out to people who could be in the group. 13:52:33 action: Sarah will ask another person to join the group 13:54:40 action: Sarah will ask a UK UX person to be interviewed. 13:56:49 Shawn: I want to see us developing a pool of people that we want to get feedback and comments from. 13:57:38 s/Shawn: Feedback channels should be timely, continuous, checked afterwards, and be diverse/Shawn: Goal: Feedback channels should be timely, continuous, checked afterwards, and be diverse 13:58:31 Goal: Informed decision-making drives the Silver process and content 13:58:46 ... include feedback from other channgels 13:59:32 ... look at other standards - comparative analysis technique and do an analysis and use them for moving forward. 14:00:38 ... we want to talk to people: focus groups, 1-1 interviews, surveys to collect insights, observe people using the tools (because there is a gap between what people say they want and how they actually do it). 14:01:37 Goal: Perspectives of people who use WCAG are considered 14:05:34 ... user centered design, participatory design, design thinking. We want to include all of them, but want to focus on design thinking. 14:06:53 Goal: Think about WCAG over the long term 14:07:25 ... establishing a viable update channel is part of that . 14:07:46 Goal: User community and stakeholders are committed to success 14:08:03 ... keeping the community informed as to the process 14:09:48 Sarah: I thinking we should do a project charter -- not a WCAG charter, we may need to call it something else. It includes goals, stakeholders, audience, and measurements of success. 14:10:09 action: Sarah to draft a Project Charter 14:11:49 agenda+ Brainstorming documet review 14:11:54 zakim, take up next 14:11:54 agendum 1. "coordinating communication" taken up [from jeanne] 14:12:03 zakim, take up next 14:12:03 agendum 1 was just opened, jeanne 14:12:20 Topic: Brainstorming review 14:23:47 action: Jeanne, with Shawn and Sarah to create a questions list and each add questions to the list. 14:29:30 Jeanne will draft some charter language to talk about next week. 14:29:46 action: Jeanne will draft some charter language to talk about next week. 14:30:16 review of some of the questions on a brainstorming list. 14:31:26 regrets for next week from Sarah for Tuesday. 14:31:33 rrsagent, make logs public 14:31:48 present+ Jeanne, Sarah, Shawn 14:31:59 meeting: Silver subgroup 14:32:32 chair: working meeting, not chaired 14:32:51 chair: working_meeting_no_chair 14:33:07 rrsagent, make minutes 14:33:07 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-silver-minutes.html jeanne 14:35:32 s/chair: working_meeting_no_chair// 14:35:41 rrsagent, make minutes 14:35:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-silver-minutes.html jeanne