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14:57:53 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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14:57:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
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14:57:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:57:58 <trackbot> Date: 21 July 2016
14:58:19 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jul/0012.html
14:58:28 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:58:35 <aphillip> Regrets: Steve
14:58:44 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:58:57 <aphillip> agenda+ Agenda
14:59:01 <aphillip> agenda+ Action Items
14:59:06 <aphillip> agenda+ Info Share
14:59:10 <aphillip> agenda+ Radar
14:59:15 <aphillip> agenda+ Issue Triage
14:59:33 <aphillip> agenda+ Review: Data on the Web Best Practices
15:00:03 <aphillip> agenda+ Proposal to move Ethiopic LREQ to FPWD
15:02:37 <aphillip> Present+ Addison
15:02:42 <aphillip> Present+ Felix
15:02:46 <aphillip> Present+ Richard
15:02:55 <aphillip> Present+ Frecesco Martino
15:03:42 <aphillip> agenda?
15:03:44 <David> David has joined #I18n
15:04:30 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:04:30 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from aphillip]
15:04:48 <aphillip> (frantic search for richard's agenda-plusses)
15:05:28 <aphillip> Present+ David
15:06:14 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:06:14 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from aphillip]
15:06:33 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:09:05 <aphillip> action-536?
15:09:05 <trackbot> action-536 -- Richard Ishida to Publish predefined-counter-styles as a wg note -- due 2016-06-30 -- OPEN
15:09:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/536
15:09:18 <aphillip> richard: a couple of weeks yet; may want to get yet another title
15:09:34 <aphillip> action-537?
15:09:34 <trackbot> action-537 -- Addison Phillips to File bugs against failing browsers, referring back to the encoding issue list, and update the encoding issues -- due 2016-06-30 -- OPEN
15:09:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/537
15:09:48 <aphillip> addison: done
15:09:52 <aphillip> close action-537
15:09:52 <trackbot> Closed action-537.
15:10:36 <aphillip> action-539?
15:10:36 <trackbot> action-539 -- Addison Phillips to Write an email objecting to lack of i18n review and review coordination and pointing out that there are issues that should be addressed -- due 2016-07-21 -- OPEN
15:10:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/539
15:10:51 <aphillip> close action-539
15:10:51 <trackbot> Closed action-539.
15:11:06 <aphillip> action-540?
15:11:06 <trackbot> action-540 -- Addison Phillips to Forward dwbp issue reformulation to richard this afternoon (14 jul) -- due 2016-07-21 -- OPEN
15:11:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/540
15:11:10 <aphillip> done
15:11:13 <aphillip> close action-540
15:11:13 <trackbot> Closed action-540.
15:11:42 <aphillip> richard: let's talk about it later
15:11:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:14:00 <Francesco> Francesco has joined #i18n
15:14:09 <r12a> hi Francesco !
15:14:10 <aphillip> welcome Francesco!
15:14:18 <aphillip> agenda?
15:14:26 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:14:26 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from aphillip]
15:14:53 <aphillip> group welcomes new member Francesco
15:15:05 <aphillip> francesco: from italy, florence
15:15:37 <aphillip> ... web communications manager
15:15:51 <aphillip> ... very interested in w3c, getting involved
15:16:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:17:16 <aphillip> richard: news that we have two other new members
15:17:32 <aphillip> lina from IBM in Israel
15:17:40 <aphillip> ... interested HLREQ
15:17:51 <aphillip> barry leiba from Huawei
15:18:04 <aphillip> they are not on call today
15:18:20 <aphillip> agenda?
15:18:31 <aphillip> richard: tpac is approaching
15:18:39 <aphillip> (please register asap)
15:18:43 <aphillip> (book hotel and such)
15:19:54 <aphillip> Sign up for TPAC! https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/
15:20:45 <aphillip> richard: firefox has implemented isolate override as default for <bdo>
15:20:48 <r12a> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/50#HTML
15:20:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:21:21 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:21:21 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Radar" taken up [from aphillip]
15:21:30 <aphillip> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
15:22:29 <aphillip> richard: phil submitted a new one
15:22:35 <aphillip> ... maybe a transreq
15:23:04 <aphillip> felix: already on the list
15:23:06 <aphillip> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:24:21 <aphillip> agenda?
15:24:39 <aphillip> richard: meeting about egyptian hieroglyphs
15:24:44 <aphillip> ... went there
15:24:49 <aphillip> ... how it works in unicode
15:25:01 <aphillip> ... mailing list on it. let me know if you want info
15:25:13 <aphillip> ... language is very graphic
15:25:29 <aphillip> ... script combines in two dimentional arrangements
15:25:35 <aphillip> ... different in vertical and horizontal
15:25:44 <aphillip> ... lots of complex choices
15:26:44 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:26:44 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Issue Triage" taken up [from aphillip]
15:27:37 <aphillip> richard: forgot something earlier
15:27:40 <aphillip> ... project review
15:27:53 <aphillip> ... have started porting JLReq (Japanese) to github and respec
15:28:01 <aphillip> ... so that would enable us to produce a new version
15:28:07 <aphillip> ... incorp errata and feedback
15:28:17 <aphillip> ... and also to get feedback via an issues list
15:28:27 <aphillip> ... a lot of work, so will take time
15:28:48 <aphillip>   http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
15:29:53 <aphillip> presentation-api • i18n-ISSUE-493: add sections (non-I18N)   https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/112
15:31:40 <aphillip> micropub • no language or direction or localizability of error message?   https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/183
15:33:13 <aphillip> remove pending?
15:34:10 <aphillip> find-text • FindText API vs. Charmod-Norm   https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/106
15:34:50 <aphillip> close as obsoltee
15:35:02 <aphillip> html • Use of modifier keys for accesskey   https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/159
15:35:55 <aphillip> action: richard: revise issue 159 about modifier keys and make appropriate revisions
15:35:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-541 - Revise issue 159 about modifier keys and make appropriate revisions [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-07-28].
15:36:15 <aphillip> packaging-on-the-web • i18n-ISSUE-404: Lang matching undefined   https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/60
15:37:43 <aphillip> remove pending and forward
15:38:02 <aphillip>  url • i18n-ISSUE-402: Broken copy/paste behavior with IRIs   https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/58
15:40:00 <aphillip>  web-payments-use-cases • i18n-ISSUE-476: International payment, taxation, delivery and trade restriction practices   https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/82
15:41:09 <aphillip> closed as stale
15:41:10 <aphillip> dpub-latinreq • i18n-ISSUE-390: Extended Latin Characters Covered in Text but not in Title   https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/47
15:42:52 <aphillip> richard: "... books in languages using the Latin script..." (missing script)
15:43:10 <aphillip> david: English retains accents from sources
15:43:34 <aphillip> richard: wider point is perhaps valid, not just English or ASCII
15:44:26 <aphillip> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/
15:45:14 <aphillip> action: richard: ask after dpub-pagination status and if they want/ready for a review
15:45:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-542 - Ask after dpub-pagination status and if they want/ready for a review [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-07-28].
15:45:39 <aphillip> dpub-aria • i18n-ISSUE-480: New role for Ruby?   https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/83
15:46:30 <aphillip> close as stale
15:46:50 <aphillip> agenda?
15:46:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:47:21 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:47:21 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Proposal to move Ethiopic LREQ to FPWD" taken up [from aphillip]
15:47:54 <aphillip> richard: daniel working on ethiopic document
15:48:02 <aphillip> ... plans to create a survey to get answers to questions
15:48:05 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/elreq/
15:48:09 <aphillip> ... would help to have current document available
15:48:14 <aphillip> ... link above
15:48:28 <aphillip> ... want to make First Public Working Draft
15:48:40 <David> +1
15:49:04 <aphillip> addison: chair asks you to vote on publication of ELREQ as a First Public Working Draft
15:49:08 <David> +1
15:49:09 <r12a> +1
15:49:12 <aphillip> +1
15:49:13 <fsasaki> +1
15:49:31 <Francesco> 0
15:49:47 <aphillip> no objections, so resolved
15:49:55 <aphillip> (francesco as new member abstained)
15:50:09 <aphillip> action: richard: publish elreq as FPWD
15:50:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-543 - Publish elreq as fpwd [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-07-28].
15:50:24 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:50:24 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Review: Data on the Web Best Practices" taken up [from aphillip]
15:51:49 <aphillip> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#dwbp
15:54:50 <aphillip> richard: no objection to any of these, but not sure I understand them all
15:54:54 <aphillip> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/19
15:55:31 <aphillip> felix: think this is a general best practice that should be mentioned
15:55:44 <r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jul/0011.html
15:56:03 <r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jul/0013.html
15:56:19 <aphillip> felix: linked data work, not clear enough in what they want
15:57:07 <aphillip> felix: no objection to addison's edits
15:57:36 <aphillip> paste addison's edits to 19, remove pending, forward
15:58:05 <aphillip> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/185
15:58:31 <aphillip> felix: went through all, items with no comment like this are fine with me
15:59:00 <aphillip> this one okay
15:59:01 <aphillip> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/186
15:59:30 <aphillip> no objections
16:00:13 <aphillip> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/188
16:00:16 <aphillip> no objections
16:01:08 <aphillip> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/187
16:03:07 <aphillip> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/190
16:03:21 <aphillip> may not be standard means of indicating direction; identified gap
16:03:43 <aphillip> no best practice here because no practice that is best yet?
16:04:41 <aphillip> acknowledge that direction has no established BP, but forward comment. language does have an established set of mechanisms
16:05:45 <aphillip> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/189
16:06:08 <aphillip> felix: no linked data version; can't point to something that doesn't exist. it's a technology or standard gap
16:06:39 <aphillip> richard: if you have a date format, you can say this is an xsd:dateTime
16:06:48 <aphillip> ... don't need a url for that
16:08:39 <aphillip> ... could we use tags: there can't really be URL for all of them
16:08:55 <aphillip> felix: would need a service that sent information about the language tag
16:09:10 <aphillip> richard: much more complicated
16:09:49 <aphillip> felix: needs a persistent service
16:10:11 <aphillip> richard: think we need to raise the issue
16:10:43 <aphillip> ... need to make them aware it's a bad solution
16:10:54 <aphillip> ... have it registered as an issue
16:10:59 <aphillip> addison: agre
16:11:05 <aphillip> s/agre/agree/
16:11:16 <aphillip> felix: doing what is currently technically possible
16:11:25 <aphillip> ... maybe no solution yet but defintely state the problem
16:11:50 <aphillip> addison: forward?
16:12:00 <aphillip> richard: yes but rewrite slightly
16:12:19 <aphillip> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/193
16:13:27 <aphillip> dupe of 19
16:13:43 <aphillip> merge info?
16:14:50 <aphillip> separate docs, so not a dupe
16:15:55 <aphillip> felix: "we are aware of a technology gap, but from user point of view this is an important issue"
16:16:00 <aphillip> ... point it out in your document
16:16:16 <aphillip> richard: be aware that tech doesn't meet WWW requirements
16:16:38 <aphillip> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/192
16:18:13 <aphillip> felix: change explanation (treat as typo)
16:18:18 <aphillip> addison: agree
16:18:38 <aphillip> addison: any other issues?
16:19:08 <aphillip> richard: next steps: rewrite some, then tell me
16:21:47 <aphillip> action: addison: add comment with final text for issues in dwbp as discussed in teleconference for final consumption and when done, send notification to richard
16:21:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-544 - Add comment with final text for issues in dwbp as discussed in teleconference for final consumption and when done, send notification to richard [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-07-28].
16:22:42 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:24:36 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:24:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html r12a
16:28:35 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:28:35 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Felix, Richard, Frecesco, Martino, David
16:28:35 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
16:28:41 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:28:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:29:10 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:29:10 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:29:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: revise issue 159 about modifier keys and make appropriate revisions [1]
16:29:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-irc#T15-35-55
16:29:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: ask after dpub-pagination status and if they want/ready for a review [2]
16:29:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-irc#T15-45-14
16:29:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: publish elreq as FPWD [3]
16:29:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-irc#T15-50-09
16:29:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: add comment with final text for issues in dwbp as discussed in teleconference for final consumption and when done, send notification to richard [4]
16:29:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-irc#T16-21-47