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14:54:22 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:54:22 Date: 19 July 2016
14:54:34 present+ paulc
14:54:43 zakim, who is on the call?
14:54:43 Present: paulc
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15:00:52 I was speaking, but apparently you can't hear me, so I will call in again
15:01:21 present+
15:01:35 regrets+ Francois
15:01:52 scribeNick: plh
15:02:13 Meeting: HTML Media Extensions Editors
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15:02:20 Seems you still can't hear me, but it is very noisy here anyway, for first 30 min
15:02:31 rrsagent, generate minutes
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15:03:00 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-hme-editors/2016Jul/0002.html
15:05:20 Topic: MSE and EME timeline
15:05:40 Paul: Aug 2, we're doing a CfC for MSE and EME for proposed recommendations
15:06:08 ... input for the drafts is editorial work and test suite and testing report
15:06:18 ... also make decisions about features at risk
15:06:35 ... we have some probability of getting MSE ready by that date
15:06:45 ... not sure about features at risk yet
15:06:57 ... editors will need to make recommendations to the group
15:07:09 ... so some chances of having adequate testing results for MSE
15:07:30 ... but for EME, we're good on editorials and features at risk, we haven't made progress on the test suite
15:07:36 ... any question about timeline?
15:07:39 [none heard]
15:08:00 Paul: I'll target to have an editors draft on July 29 for the group
15:08:21 Topic: MSE test suite and testing report status
15:08:39 report https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Jul/0006.html
15:09:14 and https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-hme-editors/2016Jul/0005.html
15:09:31 [[
15:09:33 1. Outstanding PR on test repo should be reviewed, fixed as needed, and merged.
15:09:33 2. I think the test suite can be viewed as "good enough" after that, although it can certainly be improved.
15:09:33 3. Some features are not yet implemented across browsers. The implementation report should be updated once that is done. I'd be happy to do that once I am back to work.
15:09:34 ]]
15:10:04 Matt: I'll dead with https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+label%3Amedia-source
15:10:10 s/dead/deal/
15:10:16 Paul: any ETA?
15:10:20 Matt: this week should be fine
15:11:15 Paul: can we regenerate the test results after that?
15:11:23 Plh: assuming we have changes in implementations
15:11:53 [[
15:11:54 1. the on{event} attributes
15:11:54 2. live seekable range
15:11:54 3. audioTracks and videoTracks in Firefox
15:11:54 4. resetting the delaying-the-load event in Edge (this makes most test files timeout but note individual tests may still pass)
15:11:57 5. TrackDefault (feature marked at-risk)
15:11:59 ]]
15:13:23 Matt: I've seen recent activities on on{event} attribute, live seekable, and abort and duration change
15:13:34 ... in firefox
15:14:20 Paul: Jerry, can we reach out to Mozilla on providing test results?
15:14:35 Paul: we'll focus on those 5 and the abord duration change
15:14:39 Jerry: sure
15:16:30 Paul: features at risk
15:16:43 [[
15:16:44 The appendStream method on the sourceBuffer object and algorithm steps that are used only by it.
15:16:44 The VideoPlaybackQuality object and the HTMLVideoElement Extensions that use it.
15:16:44 The totalFrameDelay attribute on the VideoPlaybackQuality object.
15:16:44 The TrackDefault object and its related objects, attributes, methods and algorithms
15:16:45 ]]
15:17:05 Paul: on VideoPlayBack, we have an issue
15:17:13 ... appendStream, it's out, correct?
15:17:18 Matt: correct
15:17:55 Paul: for totalFrameDelay, is it tied to VideoPlayBackQuality
15:18:04 Matt: we'd have to take it out anyway probably
15:18:10 Paul: TrackDefault?
15:18:25 Jerry: our intent is to implement it but can't implement on the timeline
15:19:48 Paul: we have one implementation on VideoPlayBackQuality and TrackDefault
15:19:57 ... can we remove them?
15:22:04 The tests show that VideoPlaybackQuality interface object length fails on Edge
15:22:35 But otherwise there are 2 implementations except for the totalFrameDelay
15:22:56 Jerry: we have implementations in Edge and Firefox for VideoPlaybackQuality...
15:23:07 Matt: we have very marginal tests for that in the test suite
15:23:41 ... not sure if we have real interop
15:23:52 Paul: can you summarize the status in the bug?
15:23:54 Matt: sure
15:25:17 http://w3c.github.io/test-results/media-source/all.html
15:25:39 Paul: my recommendation is to make progress in the bug
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15:25:46 ... I'll make a decision later this week
15:26:05 present+ David
15:26:30 Plh: I could look to add a test on VPQ to see if we have some interop
15:26:50 Paul: MSE editorial issues
15:27:17 https://github.com/w3c/media-source/milestones/V1Editorial
15:27:26 Paul: a few are not assigned
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15:30:16 Paul: any volunteer for 99 and 98?
15:30:23 Jerry: I'll take those
15:32:50 Mark: I'll take 83
15:33:44 Paul: 45?
15:33:48 ... we may not get to it
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15:38:49 Topic: EME status
15:39:02 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Jul/0004.html
15:39:29 Jerry: clearKey are up and running on all browsers. Firefox is debugging that
15:39:40 ... plan was to convert them to multi-DRM
15:39:56 ... progress is being made
15:40:22 ... looking at clearKey, there is a partial coverage of the spec
15:40:38 ... coverage look decent and a good base
15:40:48 ... next step is to get gap list and add tests
15:41:17 ... plan at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-hme-editors/2016Jul/0006.html
15:41:50 Paul: any comment on the plan?
15:43:04 Mark: in some cases, there are small gaps and bugs
15:44:00 ... can be corrected with JS. should we "fix" some of the tests?
15:44:18 Paul: we should keep the tests as-is, but give additional info to the Director
15:46:52 ... our test results metrics should be based on actual results but could have additional data to indicate that some tests can be fixed using polyfill
15:50:49 [discussion around what demonstrating implementations means]
15:51:00 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/milestones/V1Editorial
15:55:46 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3AV1NonBlocking
15:58:29 Jerry: let's focus on editorial first
16:01:33 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/221
16:01:49 [[
16:01:51 Issue 221 - This specification contains sections for describing security and privacy considerations. These sections are not final and review is welcome.
16:01:53 ]]
16:04:43 All the EME V1Editorial issues are now assigned
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