14:54:17 RRSAgent has joined #html-media 14:54:17 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/07/19-html-media-irc 14:54:19 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:54:19 Zakim has joined #html-media 14:54:21 Zakim, this will be 63342 14:54:21 ok, trackbot 14:54:22 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference 14:54:22 Date: 19 July 2016 14:54:34 present+ paulc 14:54:43 zakim, who is on the call? 14:54:43 Present: paulc 14:58:04 markw has joined #html-media 14:58:23 jdsmith has joined #html-media 14:58:51 MattWolenetz has joined #html-media 14:58:57 present+ markw 14:59:47 present+ jdsmith 14:59:54 present+ MattWolenetz 15:00:12 plh has joined #html-media 15:00:52 I was speaking, but apparently you can't hear me, so I will call in again 15:01:21 present+ 15:01:35 regrets+ Francois 15:01:52 scribeNick: plh 15:02:13 Meeting: HTML Media Extensions Editors 15:02:17 rrsagent, make logs public-visible 15:02:20 Seems you still can't hear me, but it is very noisy here anyway, for first 30 min 15:02:31 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:02:31 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/19-html-media-minutes.html plh 15:03:00 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-hme-editors/2016Jul/0002.html 15:05:20 Topic: MSE and EME timeline 15:05:40 Paul: Aug 2, we're doing a CfC for MSE and EME for proposed recommendations 15:06:08 ... input for the drafts is editorial work and test suite and testing report 15:06:18 ... also make decisions about features at risk 15:06:35 ... we have some probability of getting MSE ready by that date 15:06:45 ... not sure about features at risk yet 15:06:57 ... editors will need to make recommendations to the group 15:07:09 ... so some chances of having adequate testing results for MSE 15:07:30 ... but for EME, we're good on editorials and features at risk, we haven't made progress on the test suite 15:07:36 ... any question about timeline? 15:07:39 [none heard] 15:08:00 Paul: I'll target to have an editors draft on July 29 for the group 15:08:21 Topic: MSE test suite and testing report status 15:08:39 report https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Jul/0006.html 15:09:14 and https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-hme-editors/2016Jul/0005.html 15:09:31 [[ 15:09:33 1. Outstanding PR on test repo should be reviewed, fixed as needed, and merged. 15:09:33 2. I think the test suite can be viewed as "good enough" after that, although it can certainly be improved. 15:09:33 3. Some features are not yet implemented across browsers. The implementation report should be updated once that is done. I'd be happy to do that once I am back to work. 15:09:34 ]] 15:10:04 Matt: I'll dead with https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+label%3Amedia-source 15:10:10 s/dead/deal/ 15:10:16 Paul: any ETA? 15:10:20 Matt: this week should be fine 15:11:15 Paul: can we regenerate the test results after that? 15:11:23 Plh: assuming we have changes in implementations 15:11:53 [[ 15:11:54 1. the on{event} attributes 15:11:54 2. live seekable range 15:11:54 3. audioTracks and videoTracks in Firefox 15:11:54 4. resetting the delaying-the-load event in Edge (this makes most test files timeout but note individual tests may still pass) 15:11:57 5. TrackDefault (feature marked at-risk) 15:11:59 ]] 15:13:23 Matt: I've seen recent activities on on{event} attribute, live seekable, and abort and duration change 15:13:34 ... in firefox 15:14:20 Paul: Jerry, can we reach out to Mozilla on providing test results? 15:14:35 Paul: we'll focus on those 5 and the abord duration change 15:14:39 Jerry: sure 15:16:30 Paul: features at risk 15:16:43 [[ 15:16:44 The appendStream method on the sourceBuffer object and algorithm steps that are used only by it. 15:16:44 The VideoPlaybackQuality object and the HTMLVideoElement Extensions that use it. 15:16:44 The totalFrameDelay attribute on the VideoPlaybackQuality object. 15:16:44 The TrackDefault object and its related objects, attributes, methods and algorithms 15:16:45 ]] 15:17:05 Paul: on VideoPlayBack, we have an issue 15:17:13 ... appendStream, it's out, correct? 15:17:18 Matt: correct 15:17:55 Paul: for totalFrameDelay, is it tied to VideoPlayBackQuality 15:18:04 Matt: we'd have to take it out anyway probably 15:18:10 Paul: TrackDefault? 15:18:25 Jerry: our intent is to implement it but can't implement on the timeline 15:19:48 Paul: we have one implementation on VideoPlayBackQuality and TrackDefault 15:19:57 ... can we remove them? 15:22:04 The tests show that VideoPlaybackQuality interface object length fails on Edge 15:22:35 But otherwise there are 2 implementations except for the totalFrameDelay 15:22:56 Jerry: we have implementations in Edge and Firefox for VideoPlaybackQuality... 15:23:07 Matt: we have very marginal tests for that in the test suite 15:23:41 ... not sure if we have real interop 15:23:52 Paul: can you summarize the status in the bug? 15:23:54 Matt: sure 15:25:17 http://w3c.github.io/test-results/media-source/all.html 15:25:39 Paul: my recommendation is to make progress in the bug 15:25:43 ddorwin has joined #html-media 15:25:46 ... I'll make a decision later this week 15:26:05 present+ David 15:26:30 Plh: I could look to add a test on VPQ to see if we have some interop 15:26:50 Paul: MSE editorial issues 15:27:17 https://github.com/w3c/media-source/milestones/V1Editorial 15:27:26 Paul: a few are not assigned 15:28:24 markw has joined #html-media 15:30:16 Paul: any volunteer for 99 and 98? 15:30:23 Jerry: I'll take those 15:32:50 Mark: I'll take 83 15:33:44 Paul: 45? 15:33:48 ... we may not get to it 15:34:34 markw has joined #html-media 15:38:49 Topic: EME status 15:39:02 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Jul/0004.html 15:39:29 Jerry: clearKey are up and running on all browsers. Firefox is debugging that 15:39:40 ... plan was to convert them to multi-DRM 15:39:56 ... progress is being made 15:40:22 ... looking at clearKey, there is a partial coverage of the spec 15:40:38 ... coverage look decent and a good base 15:40:48 ... next step is to get gap list and add tests 15:41:17 ... plan at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-hme-editors/2016Jul/0006.html 15:41:50 Paul: any comment on the plan? 15:43:04 Mark: in some cases, there are small gaps and bugs 15:44:00 ... can be corrected with JS. should we "fix" some of the tests? 15:44:18 Paul: we should keep the tests as-is, but give additional info to the Director 15:46:52 ... our test results metrics should be based on actual results but could have additional data to indicate that some tests can be fixed using polyfill 15:50:49 [discussion around what demonstrating implementations means] 15:51:00 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/milestones/V1Editorial 15:55:46 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3AV1NonBlocking 15:58:29 Jerry: let's focus on editorial first 16:01:33 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/221 16:01:49 [[ 16:01:51 Issue 221 - This specification contains sections for describing security and privacy considerations. These sections are not final and review is welcome. 16:01:53 ]] 16:04:43 All the EME V1Editorial issues are now assigned 16:06:17 rrsagent, generate minutes 16:06:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/19-html-media-minutes.html plh 16:27:05 ddorwin has joined #html-media 17:27:16 Zakim has left #html-media