12:54:48 RRSAgent has joined #dpub-aria 12:54:48 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/07/06-dpub-aria-irc 12:55:07 Zakim has joined #dpub-aria 12:57:28 agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2016Jul/0000.html 12:57:39 title: DPUB-ARIA TelCo 12:57:45 chair: Tzviya 12:57:51 present+ Tzviya 13:00:15 tzviya has joined #dpub-aria 13:09:38 scribe: Tzviya 13:09:59 Ivan: There is a matter of principles to be settled by aria wg 13:10:13 ...then we have to put into practice, set criteria 13:11:15 Rich has joined #dpub-aria 13:11:45 Michael: Some of discussion is that ARIA WG may not be able to do this 13:12:41 ...It may be a months-long process 13:12:52 present+ Rich, Michael, Ivan 13:13:04 Ivan: The short-term problem has gone away 13:13:21 ...We are looking for a longer-term solution 13:13:53 ...If IDPF + W3C merger happens, this will affect 13:14:04 I am on 13:14:20 ...IDPF has already made the decision not to include DPUB-ARIA in EPUB 3.1 13:14:38 Michael: ARIA will discuss the issue with the TAG with a bookmark at TPAC 13:14:49 ...We should make plans to discuss at TPAC 13:15:29 ...A related questions that ARIA WG cannot help with is whether DPUB should work with Web Apps on HTML extension 13:15:39 Ivan: to be more precise about that... 13:16:09 ...My view is that if it works with ARIA, we do not need to work on HTML extension 13:16:18 ...We do not want to deal with both 13:16:22 +1 13:16:50 Michael: It has always been the vision that the role attr would do more than just a11y 13:18:13 Ivan: We should not refer to role attr spec, which refers to RDFa. Practically, it confuses people, and there is opposition to RDFa. 13:18:56 ...role is not RDF, not RDFa. It's just an attribute with controlled values. 13:19:27 Tzviya: We need to come up with a plan for ARIA, DPUB, and TAG before TPAC 13:19:51 Ivan: Should DPUB be present for TAG discussion? 13:20:11 Michael: unsure, DPUB might surprise TAG with new issues 13:21:07 Tzviya: I think DPUB is a good use case, but we are not the only example 13:21:23 Ivan: Other examples would be useful 13:21:32 Tzviya: Assessments from ETS 13:21:53 Ivan: Peter Krautzberger can provide examples from mathematics 13:22:24 Tzviya: Next steps for this group? 13:22:36 Rich: Joanie is working on DPUB-AAM with Apple 13:22:49 ...UIA will be next week 13:24:02 Tzviya: We had talked about holding off on publishing CR until we have these discussions 13:24:17 Michael: We should continue with work on documents 13:24:43 ...I recommend continuing with defining testing, even though it is entangled with these discussions 13:27:04 Tzviya: Since these terms are all mapped to APIs, I think that the testing for implementation is the same as for ARIA Core 13:27:25 Michael: Do we count Reading Systems apart from browsers? 13:27:44 Tzviya: Reading systems are a user agent, but they do not have separate AT 13:28:00 ...Reading systems rely on existing A11y APIs 13:29:57 ...We may not test EPUB reading systems because they rely on existing A11y APIs 13:31:10 Michael: for political reasons, we may choose to test RSs to demo that we are not just testing the browsers 13:32:41 Tzviya: We will continue revising DPUB-AAM as needed 13:33:02 ...DPUB-ARIA CR will be pushed off until semantics discussions 13:33:22 Michael: We will need to come up with some new definitions for testing 13:33:50 Ivan: In other groups, such as Web Anno, we enable self-reporting of test results 13:34:28 Michael: ARIA testing required a fair amount of knowledge and familiarity with a11y inspectors 13:34:51 ...I'm expecting a component of manual testing 13:38:15 Ivan: Assuming all goes well, we will have to define what CR means for this type of term 13:39:28 Michael: Meeting with TAG is approx 29 July 13:40:44 Tzviya: Next meeting is 21 July 13:43:11 rrsagent, make logs public 13:43:33 rrsagent, make minutes 13:43:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/06-dpub-aria-minutes.html tzviya 13:43:37 rrsagent, bue 13:43:37 I'm logging. I don't understand 'bue', tzviya. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:43:43 rrsagent, bye 13:43:43 I see no action items