IRC log of apa on 2016-07-06

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 06 July 2016
15:51:36 [janina]
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agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
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agenda+ Web VR Workshop Michael
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agenda+ TPAC 2016 Planning [See Below]
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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs)
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agenda+ new on TR
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agenda+ HTML 5.1 Diff Review -- Open Discussion
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agenda+ Action-2011 -- Michiel, Janina [See Below]
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agenda+ action-2056 CSS Properties and Values
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agenda+ Action-2057 CSS Properties
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agenda+ Action-2023 Pointer Lock
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agenda+ Decision Policy Review
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agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ next and future meetings
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agenda+ be done
15:56:20 [MichielBijl]
present+ Michiel_Bijl
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MichielBijl has changed the topic to: APA Teleconference; Wednesday 6 July at 16:00Z; Webex 647 857 439;
15:59:21 [janina]
regrets: Gottfried, Leonie, Rich
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present+ Janina
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chair: janina
16:01:38 [joanie]
present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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present+ MichaelC
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regrets: Gottfried, Leonie, Cynthia, Rich
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#scribe: fesch
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
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s/#scribe: fesch/scribe: fesch/
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js: news?
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1 was just opened, fesch
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 1 closed
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I see 13 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Web VR Workshop Michael [from janina]
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zakim, nest item
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I don't understand 'nest item', fesch
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "Web VR Workshop Michael" taken up [from janina]
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present+ JF
16:05:30 [fesch]
js: workshop in Mountain View CA
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js: use cases still in the future
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "TPAC 2016 Planning" taken up [from See Below]
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js: keep ideas coming of what we need to meet with,... looking for recruits for Research Questions
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs)" taken up [from janina]
16:09:24 [MichaelC]
close action-2065
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Closed action-2065.
16:10:36 [fesch]
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action-2047 -- Michiel Bijl to Review css grid layout -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN
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16:11:18 [fesch]
mb: has 2 dimensions
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mb: there are issues
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js: we have an agenda item
16:13:07 [MichielBijl]
Link to a11y section in CSS Grid Layout:
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mc: will go to CSS task force (Grid Layout)
16:13:22 [MichaelC]
close action-2047
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Closed action-2047.
16:13:38 [joanie]
16:14:09 [janina]
~ack j
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ack jo
16:14:34 [fesch]
jd: do we have a CSS task force in the works?
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mc: yes
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js: we expected ARIA, APA and CSS joint, but going more slowly
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js: in agenda pointer to CSS TF work statement
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action-2048 -- John Foliot to Review timed text markup language 2 (ttml2) -- due 2016-07-06 -- OPEN
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16:16:33 [fesch]
jf: just sent email to list before this call,
16:17:23 [fesch]
jf: a whole bunch of processing stuff, not sure whether it could be relayed to AT
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jf: I may want to defer to TPAC
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mc: will add to deferred
16:18:47 [MichaelC]
action-2048 due 3 months
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Set action-2048 Review timed text markup language 2 (ttml2) due date to 2016-10-06.
16:18:53 [fesch]
jf: I need to follow up with Glen
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action-2014 -- Fred Esch to Review micropub -- due 2016-07-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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16:20:32 [janina]
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ack jf
16:21:33 [fesch]
fe: Needs an accessiblity section
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images and media should be able to be uploaded and downloaded with accessibility information
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For example and image should be uploaded with the string for an img alt attribute or description.
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Media should be associated with closed caption tracks.
16:21:39 [fesch]
You can probably do these things with the Micorpub API, however there are no instructions or examples how to do it. There are references to microformats 2, however accessibility isn't covered except in an ad hoc way.
16:22:05 [fesch]
js: if you can write up, we can give them forward
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js: we don' want them moving this forward without this being addressed
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zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "new on TR" taken up [from janina]
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-> CSS Color Module Level 4
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16:24:59 [fesch]
mc: don't see anything accessibility related
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jf: opacity makes calculating compliance difficult
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js: contrast will be a WCAG thing
16:27:03 [fesch]
mc: calculating color contrast is doable, need WCAG support
16:27:19 [janina]
ack f
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ack me
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fe: we looked at alpha issues for automated testing in ARIA
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jd: I can take this to WCAG
16:29:31 [MichaelC]
action: JF to take need for techniques to measure color contrast with alpha layer to WCAG WG related to CSS Color Module Level 4
16:29:33 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2066 - Take need for techniques to measure color contrast with alpha layer to wcag wg related to css color module level 4 [on John Foliot - due 2016-07-13].
16:29:50 [fesch]
js: we have known things we can say - contrast is important, .look at WCAG...
16:30:32 [fesch]
js: we can also bring up what we don't have a solution to
16:30:46 [fesch]
mc: what we would want in the doc is just a paragraph
16:31:09 [MichaelC]
action: janina to draft comment on CSS Color Module Level 4 requesting a11y impacts section particularly with transparency and impacts on color contrast measurement
16:31:13 [fesch]
mc: it could have a sentence, it is tricky to calculate with opacity
16:31:17 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2067 - Draft comment on css color module level 4 requesting a11y impacts section particularly with transparency and impacts on color contrast measurement [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-07-13].
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16:34:40 [MichaelC]
action: JF to follow up on EME comments from before Encrypted Media Extensions
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Created ACTION-2068 - Follow up on eme comments from before encrypted media extensions [on John Foliot - due 2016-07-13].
16:34:56 [fesch]
jf: all we want to do is put some authoring guidance in there, will float it on the list....
16:36:02 [MichaelC]
action: Janina to follow up on Media Source Extensions
16:36:04 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2069 - Follow up on media source extensions [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-07-13].
16:36:33 [fesch]
mc: pointer lock is on the agenda
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zakim, next item
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agendum 6. "HTML 5.1 Diff Review -- Open Discussion" taken up [from janina]
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js: heard from a couple of folks and did not see any issues
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js: I would like to look at the diff again
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js: only issue raised was on longdesc
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jf: longdesc is a political issue... adding it to 5.1... some complaints....
16:38:16 [MichielBijl]
janina: you can find all the changes here:
16:38:47 [fesch]
jf: issue is on AC list
16:39:29 [fesch]
jf: editors moved longdesc in some folks not happy
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js: anyone see anything in the diffs of concern?
16:39:58 [MichaelC]
16:39:59 [trackbot]
Notes added to action-2069 Follow up on media source extensions.
16:40:12 [MichaelC]
16:40:13 [trackbot]
Notes added to action-2068 Follow up on eme comments from before encrypted media extensions.
16:40:15 [MichaelC]
16:40:15 [trackbot]
Notes added to action-2067 Draft comment on css color module level 4 requesting a11y impacts section particularly with transparency and impacts on color contrast measurement.
16:40:18 [MichaelC]
16:40:22 [trackbot]
Notes added to action-2066 Take need for techniques to measure color contrast with alpha layer to wcag wg related to css color module level 4.
16:40:23 [fesch]
zakim, next item
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agendum 7. "Action-2011 -- Michiel, Janina" taken up [from See Below]
16:40:36 [MichielBijl]
16:40:37 [fesch]
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action-2011 -- Janina Sajka to Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified -- due 2016-06-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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16:40:58 [MichaelC]
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Notes added to action-2014 Review micropub
16:42:23 [fesch]
mb: talks about transitions... examples show how to do it...
16:43:17 [MichielBijl]
mb: currently only has example on how not to do it
16:43:26 [MichielBijl]
mb: need example on how to do it (good example)
16:44:55 [fesch]
fe: transitions in charts (unless data changes) is eye candy
16:46:37 [fesch]
zakim, take up item 10
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agendum 10. "Action-2023 Pointer Lock" taken up [from janina]
16:46:40 [MichaelC]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate MichaelC
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jf: Leone isn't available to be on the call, kicked off a thread in APA
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16:48:55 [JF]
Leon ie asked me to convey the following: The upshot is that the PL spec now includes a note to implementors, and I've kicked off a thread about API mappings in the ARIA WG - so there isn't anything else we can do within PL itself to address this AFAIK.
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js: does that satisfy our concerns?
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jf: we can't do much more
16:52:15 [MichielBijl]
16:52:47 [MichielBijl]
On APA list:
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zakim, next item
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agendum 7. "Action-2011 -- Michiel, Janina" taken up [from See Below]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 7 was just opened, fesch
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 7 closed
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I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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8. action-2056 CSS Properties and Values [from janina]
16:54:00 [MichaelC]
16:54:03 [fesch]
zakim, next item
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agendum 8. "action-2056 CSS Properties and Values" taken up [from janina]
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16:54:17 [JF]
scribe JF
16:54:28 [MichaelC]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate MichaelC
16:54:38 [JF]
FE: allows properties to be defined, but noyt really maps back to rendiering
16:54:43 [MichaelC]
s/scribe JF/scribe: JF/
16:54:55 [JF]
FE: however this may be useful for PwD - this might be a good Research Question for the TF
16:55:15 [JF]
FE: thee may be some real a11y benefits here
16:55:51 [JF]
2 examples: COGA personalization, and for graphics (color blind, large charts, etc.)
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FE: also instructional images, shift colors, widen line widths, etc.
16:56:55 [JF]
May be able to reference alternative imagery (icons) etc.
16:57:28 [JF]
FE: recommendation to forward to RQTF and COGA
16:58:11 [MichaelC]
close action-2056
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16:58:14 [fesch]
rrs agent, make minutes
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close action-2057
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Closed action-2057.
16:58:33 [fesch]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate fesch
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js: anything else?
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate fesch
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