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12:03:46 <kaz> [ so far: Kaz, Dave, Achille, Daniel, Masato, Matthias, Soumya, Takuki, Yingying ]
12:04:33 <dape> present+ Daniel_Peintner
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12:06:23 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
12:06:23 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Matthias_Kovatsch
12:06:34 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
12:06:34 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Daniel_Peintner
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12:07:26 <dape> scribe: dape
12:07:29 <dape> scribeNick: DP
12:07:43 <toru> present+ Toru_Kawaguchi
12:08:40 <dape> MK: Yingying, update on open day graphic
12:09:10 <dape> YY: local media will make graphic... and publish it.
12:09:20 <dape> W3C will review it internally
12:09:29 <kaz> [ so far: Kaz, Dave, Achille, Daniel, Masato, Matthias, Soumya, Takuki, Yingying, Sebastian, Victor, Johannes, Katsuyoshi, Kazuaki, Ryuichi, Toru ]
12:09:51 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_WebConf#Agenda_of_next_WoT_IG_WebConf:_29_Jun_2016
12:09:52 <dape> ask everyone to provide feedback. silence means OK
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12:10:22 <kaz> i/update on open/topic: Status updates/
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12:10:48 <dape> YY: Another thing is about breakout session. Need to know estimated number.
12:11:21 <dape> ... would like to confirm that we need only 1 additional break-out room? Correct?
12:11:50 <dape> MK: Difficult to know right now. Depends on interest of people
12:12:07 <dape> YY: Big meeting room can be seperated
12:12:09 <mkovatsc> q?
12:13:16 <kaz> s/Big meeting room/Big meeting room for 200 people/
12:13:17 <dape> SK: We have several topics to discuss w.r.t. thing description.. prefer not having (any/many) parallel sessions
12:13:34 <dape> many people are interested in many topics
12:14:04 <dape> JH: think we have rather 2 parallel sessions
12:14:08 <mkovatsc> +1
12:14:10 <dape> SK: agree
12:14:12 <kaz> +1
12:14:29 <dape> YY: One big room and one smaller room?
12:14:48 <dape> MK: Dividing big room in 2 parts is also fine?
12:15:02 <dape> YY: Okay
12:15:17 <dape> MK: Worst case three.. that's fine I guess
12:15:49 <kaz> RESOLUTION: one big room and one small room for the f2f meeting
12:15:53 <yingying_> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_July_2016,_China,_Beijing#Wednesday.2C_13th_of_July.2C_WoT_IG_Meeting
12:15:54 <dape> YY: About PlugFest Agenda. Tuesday is not updated yet.
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12:16:25 <mkovatsc> On room topic: Big room can be divided into up to three rooms, which is fine
12:16:31 <dape> YY: first part is introduction: combined with CETC demo and W3C plugfest intro
12:16:50 <dape> second part is about implementer pitches (~ 1 slide)
12:17:14 <dape> afterwards we said parallel sessions..
12:17:26 <dape> however, CETC has just short demos..
12:17:39 <dape> we can first have CETC demo and than W3C PlugFest
12:17:45 <dape> OK everybody?
12:17:53 <kaz> s/one big room and one small room for the f2f meeting/one big room which can be split into 2-3 parts for the f2f meeting/
12:18:08 <dape> MK: Updated agenda to look at would be good... so far it sounds fine by me
12:18:18 <dape> YY: Ok, will update agenda
12:18:49 <dape> YY: Also, I would need presenters slides... within this week would be good
12:19:04 <kaz> q+
12:19:20 <mkovatsc> ack kaz
12:19:20 <dape> same for PlugFest pitch. Please send it me. will add it to wiki
12:20:03 <dape> SK: checked Tuesday agenda. 1. implementers pitches, 2. demos..
12:20:13 <dape> YY: Agenda is out-dated
12:20:33 <dape> YY:  implementers pitches will be before PlugFest
12:20:47 <dape> SK: I see
12:20:49 <dape> q?
12:21:17 <dape> Kaz: link Wednesday.. should be Tueday
12:21:25 <yingying_> ->https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_July_2016,_China,_Beijing#Tuesday.2C_12th_of_July.2C_Open_Day_.2F_Presentations_.2B_Plugfest
12:21:26 <dape> YY: Correct
12:21:39 <mkovatsc> q?
12:22:01 <dape> MK: any quick update?
12:22:05 <dape> none heard
12:22:15 <dape> TOPIC: WG roadmap
12:22:25 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Roadmap
12:22:29 <dape> MK: Joerg showed roadmap last week
12:22:33 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:22:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:22:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:22:44 <dape> MK: integrated some feedback fro Panasonic
12:22:51 <dape> green, passed
12:22:58 <dsr> q+
12:23:02 <dape> pink, important milestones
12:23:24 <dape> aligned it with XXXX meeting schedule
12:23:38 <dape> last week deadline for p2p feedback
12:23:40 <dape> q+
12:24:05 <dape> after f2f in Bejing... integrate review
12:24:08 <kaz> s/passed/past/
12:24:39 <dape> <Mathias walks over roadmap>
12:24:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:24:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:25:31 <kaz> i/update on open day/scribenick: dape/
12:25:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:25:40 <mkovatsc> q?
12:25:41 <dape> October 21st, approved by W3M
12:25:53 <dape> s/XXXX/W3M
12:26:00 <dape> Dave: timeline is fine
12:26:31 <kaz> q+
12:26:37 <kaz> ack d
12:26:44 <dape> however, not sure about XXX2
12:27:08 <kaz> q?
12:27:14 <kaz> ack dsr
12:27:22 <jhund> q+
12:27:27 <dape> moreover, see extended interest e.g. Google... can we extend the charter space
12:28:03 <dape> s/not sure about XXX2/ not sure about how to push for active participiation
12:28:14 <mkovatsc> ack jhund
12:28:21 <mkovatsc> oh :)
12:28:29 <dape> JH: Comment about Scott/Google
12:29:06 <dape> ... at F2F we should look at charter and make sure that THIS is the version we can give to externals
12:29:19 <dape> ... make sure that we understand each other
12:29:26 <dape> ... also capture feedback
12:29:34 <mkovatsc> q+
12:29:53 <dape> ... w.r.t. Scott: make sure to reduce complexity
12:30:17 <dape> Dave: I think he is looking for common profiles/models
12:30:27 <dape> commonality of models
12:30:32 <dape> and vendor extensions
12:30:45 <dape> also look at real products and check whether we can model that
12:30:59 <dape> JH: That is what event, property etc is about
12:31:13 <dape> Dave: anyhow, should be able to extend charter
12:32:01 <dape> MK: After Bejing charter should be ready
12:32:13 <dape> ... need further feedback from Google
12:32:33 <mkovatsc> ack kaz
12:32:33 <dape> Dave: think they promised further feedback.. just need to be patient
12:32:47 <dape> Kaz: Agree that timeline looks good
12:33:22 <dape> about outreach we should discuss about details separately... maybe outreach taskforce
12:33:41 <mkovatsc> q?
12:33:44 <dape> everybody can join this taskforce.. reaching out to AC reps
12:34:23 <dape> MK: Should make sure that we integrate feedback correctly... talk to them to make sure
12:34:42 <dsr> European Broadcasting Union, Fraunhofer, Intel, INSIGHT, TNO, Sony, UK Government, Siemens and Mitsubishi
12:34:42 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/wot-ig-2016/results IG review result
12:34:47 <dape> MK: w.r.t. roadmap. got 10 AC reps OKAY
12:35:07 <kaz> s/roadmap/IG charter/
12:35:08 <dape> Dave: 70 groups in interest group
12:35:27 <dape> .. should reach out to others
12:35:45 <dape> Dave: holiday season now.. might be a bit risky
12:35:58 <dape> could also extend response time
12:36:23 <dape> MK: Are we aware of companies  not yet listed
12:36:39 <kaz> q+
12:36:41 <dape> Dave: Yes, ... but still evaluating their strategy
12:36:59 <dape> ... or startup need to figure out how (member fees)
12:37:09 <dape> ... or also non-members
12:37:15 <dape> takes a while
12:37:20 <kaz> q?
12:37:50 <dape> MK: WG charter ready for P2P outreach since last week. Is there any feedback?
12:37:54 <dsr> acl mkovatsc
12:38:02 <dsr> ack mk
12:38:02 <jhund> ack mk
12:38:18 <mkovatsc> ack kaz
12:38:28 <dape> Kaz: 1. Have we closed roadmap topic?
12:38:36 <dape> MK: Still about roadmap
12:38:57 <dape> Kaz: 2. we should clarify purpose/target of outreach task
12:39:40 <dape> Dave: believe we should discuss this now
12:40:07 <dape> Kaz: means we should separate topic. W3C members and non-members
12:40:39 <dape> ... also, we are still generating target list, correct?
12:40:57 <mkovatsc> q+
12:41:17 <dsr> ack mko
12:41:41 <dape> MK: would say reaching out to members should be done by members. Non-menbers done by W3C..
12:42:04 <dape> Dave: depends on the contacts... if you have good contacts please do that
12:42:11 <dape> ... W3C will try to help
12:42:21 <mkovatsc> q?
12:42:23 <dape> MK: Was more talking about responsability
12:42:48 <dape> Kaz: outreach relates to Communication taskforce
12:42:50 <kaz> s/responsability/responsibility/
12:42:52 <dape> MK: agree
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12:43:38 <dape> Dave: All have responsibility to make others aware of our work
12:43:58 <dape> JH: Should more look at it from the point of view of caretakers
12:44:05 <dape> Dave: Share it members list?
12:44:08 <mkovatsc> +1
12:44:09 <dape> JH: Sounds good
12:44:09 <kaz> [ so far: Kaz, Dave, Achille, Daniel, Masato, Matthias, Soumya, Takuki, Yingying, Carsten, Frank ]
12:45:10 <dape> MK: ??? prepared chart for roadmap, do you agree with wiki version
12:45:21 <dape> ???: Yes, wiki version is good as is
12:45:31 <dape> TOPIC: PlugFest Preparation
12:45:33 <kaz> s/???/Masato/g
12:45:38 <dape> MK: bit behind schedule
12:45:54 <dape> Daniel integrated security details from Nice
12:46:34 <Sebastian> http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.html#repository
12:46:45 <dape> SK: w.r.t. discovery I gave short description about TD repository
12:47:11 <Sebastian> http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.html#participation-howto
12:47:18 <dape> also, updates in PlugFest section 3.5.1
12:47:32 <dape> How to use repository
12:47:58 <dape> not clear yet if we use local or external repository
12:48:25 <dape> depends on network setup (and issues we encounter)
12:49:06 <dape> DP: Yingying checked and I hope everything will be just fine
12:49:06 <mkovatsc> q?
12:49:30 <dape> Dave: Static address for local repository you can share?
12:49:58 <mkovatsc> q?
12:50:02 <dape> SK: can/should use static addresses anyway, right Yingying?
12:50:44 <kaz> q+
12:50:56 <dape> MK: First we should try repository online... than fallback, right?
12:51:10 <dape> Dave: Depends on code..
12:51:24 <dape> MK: Will prepare address for local raspberry
12:51:36 <kaz> q?
12:51:43 <mkovatsc> ack kaz
12:51:47 <dape> MK: W.r.t. implementations. Did you find any bugs while testing?
12:52:46 <dape> Kaz: We are generating diagram about network in Hotel... think could be useful
12:53:27 <dape> MK: Yes, heard about some "strange" setup.. separated networks for wifi and wired
12:53:55 <dape> YY: Checked whether we can have dedicated connection.. should resolve issues mentioned before
12:54:22 <dape> asked operator to install another connection
12:54:58 <dape> MK: Is budget okay?
12:55:09 <dape> YY: yes, reasonable price
12:55:26 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_July_2016,_China,_Beijing#Requirements
12:55:29 <dape> MK:  Requirements table lacks information
12:55:44 <dape> can we update wiki and what has been checked
12:55:51 <dape> for example skype is working et cetera
12:56:01 <dape> YY: Will update table
12:56:46 <dape> DP: tool does not test httpS and coapS ..
12:57:09 <dape> YY: will also contact Panasonic
12:57:10 <mkovatsc> q?
12:58:00 <kaz> fyi, initial network configuration diagram: https://www.w3.org/2016/07/wot-f2f/network/beijing-network.png
12:58:04 <dape> MK: When will we get details about network details?
12:58:28 <kaz> s/network details/network setup/
12:58:58 <dape> YY: I think tomorrow the network should be installed. Testing on Friday..
12:59:29 <dape> YY: Need to know subnet ranges et cetera?
12:59:48 <dape> MK: Yes.. subnet, DHCP, manual addresses and such details
13:00:05 <mkovatsc> q?
13:00:20 <Sebastian> +1
13:00:22 <dape> MK: 30 minutes left, no topic left on agenda
13:00:33 <dape> any more issues to discuss?
13:00:40 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:00:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:00:49 <dape> lets close early..
13:02:33 <kaz> Meeting: WoT IG
13:02:37 <kaz> Chair: Matthias
13:03:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:03:51 <kaz> present: Kaz, Dave, Achille, Daniel, Masato, Matthias, Soumya, Takuki, Yingying, Carsten, Frank
13:04:40 <kaz> i/Yingying checked/topic: F2F network/
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