12:56:34 RRSAgent has joined #sdw 12:56:34 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/06/22-sdw-irc 12:56:36 RRSAgent, make logs world 12:56:36 Zakim has joined #sdw 12:56:38 Zakim, this will be SDW 12:56:38 ok, trackbot 12:56:39 Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference 12:56:39 Date: 22 June 2016 12:56:54 Present+ eparsons 12:57:07 RRSAgent, make logs public 12:57:16 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160622 12:57:29 Chair: eparsons 12:57:58 Kerry has joined #sdw 12:59:53 Regrets: Rachel, Lars, SimonCox 13:00:06 Regrets: Raúl, Payam, Linda, Andrea, PhilA, Josh, Scott, Byron, Jon, Bart, Nicky 13:01:14 Will be there soon 13:01:40 thanks rob 13:01:53 jtandy has joined #sdw 13:02:10 present+ jtandy 13:03:08 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:03:09 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/22-sdw-minutes.html eparsons 13:05:16 MattPerry has joined #sdw 13:05:33 present+ MattPerry 13:06:17 ChrisLittle has joined #Sdw 13:07:03 Present 13:07:19 Preseent+ 13:07:28 Present+ 13:10:39 scribe: kerry 13:10:48 scribNick: kerry 13:10:55 Topic : Approve last week's minutes 13:10:56 scribeNick: Kerry 13:11:08 PROPOSED : Approve last week's minutes 13:11:19 http://www.w3.org/2016/06/08-sdw-minutes.html 13:11:26 +1 13:11:28 +1 13:11:32 chair: Ed 13:11:36 +0 not there 13:11:36 +1 13:11:38 RESOLUTION : Approve last week's minutes 13:11:47 Topic : Patent Call 13:11:55 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call 13:12:02 +0 to minutes. Not present 13:12:20 Topic : OWL Time FPWD Vote ? 13:12:42 http://w3c.github.io/sdw/time/ 13:12:44 Ed: chis is here and can anser any questions 13:12:56 chris: simon has done the work 13:12:59 s/chis/chrislittle/ 13:13:04 S/Chris/Chris/ 13:13:21 eparsons: plan was to vote and move to fpwd as simon and chris are happy 13:13:30 q+ 13:13:33 ... seems to be well structured and make logical sense 13:13:42 ... are there enough people here? 13:14:10 Roba has joined #Sdw 13:14:34 ChrisLittle: only thing that is missing is about datetime not just time, but there is more mielage in having time (e.g . milliseconds since 1970) 13:14:50 ...also implication you cannot use time outside 24 hours and this should be removed 13:14:58 Cant find the room. Not on signage or between h1.56 and h1.58! 13:15:03 ack next 13:15:16 eparsons: are you saying those are changes you might like to make before fpwd? that could be a showstopper for vote 13:15:31 jtandy: you were going to talk about calendards and trs 13:15:48 s/calendards/calendars/ 13:15:50 frans has joined #sdw 13:16:09 ChrisLittle: ywes, but that has come down to this problem with time implying a date ... want to put some context in here.. people confuse time with date 13:16:15 ...dont know where to put this 13:16:22 jtandy: an annex? 13:16:48 ChrisLittle: would prefer in main doc ... for context... a handful of sentences 13:16:51 present+ frans 13:16:58 jtandy: so a bit of work to do there 13:17:10 ... to ed's question are there enough on the call? 13:17:22 .... but there is a captive audience in the room tomorrow/ 13:18:14 eparsons: something chris needs to work on 13:18:19 ...does simon agree? 13:18:26 ChrisLittle: not yet 13:18:38 eparsons: not yet then 13:18:41 q+ 13:18:56 eparsons: we need to delay for 2 weeks 13:18:56 ack next 13:20:00 kerry: vote at next SSN meeting ? 13:20:39 eparsons: we cannot vote today 13:20:50 q+ to suggest capturing votes by email for SSN subgroup call 13:20:57 ack next 13:20:58 jtandy, you wanted to suggest capturing votes by email for SSN subgroup call 13:21:12 eparsons: happy id we vote in ssn meeting 13:21:21 jtandy: can we vote by email? 13:21:54 eparsons: plan: chris to do those things by early next wwek and contact kerry to put vote on agenda for ssn meeting 13:22:16 ...if we are ready at that point pls sen message to list to invite email vote 13:22:54 eparsons: can you say go or no/go on monday? 13:23:08 ChrisLittle: need to be able to talk to simon 13:23:37 eparsons: send email to myself and kerry on tuesday so we can make sure agenda is set for ssn meeting 13:24:32 eparsons: if we can get decsion on Tuesday that will work for ssn agenda meeting 13:25:52 Topic : BP Progress, 13:25:54 kerry: email votes will close at the opening of the ssn meeting 13:26:02 topic: BP stuff 13:26:14 eparsons: was hoping linda could get here 13:26:35 ....you need more help then we are providing you with and we need to find some more resources for you 13:27:02 ClausStadler has joined #sdw 13:27:28 jtandy: key thing for next WD for BP is the floding scenarion to offer enough detail to tech folks to understand 13:27:45 ...people did put their hands up but it is not moving forward 13:28:01 ...we need people to ask if they are unsure what is needed for each of those 9 subelements 13:28:39 .... I am working on one on using elactic search and protocol buffers to serve feature data through restful servies for code snippets to put in the doc 13:29:06 ... I ahave not produced this yet but I am not sure that there is other stuff moving along 13:29:29 eparsons: how do we know they are really best practice and not just an idea that might work? 13:29:46 present+ ClausStadler 13:29:47 ...this is aimed at me -- I can point to some of these technologies but is it really best practice? 13:30:16 jtandy: what constiturtes bp? something that people can do right now but does not require standards to be modified 13:30:46 ... what you are showing me is illustrative of something we have seen in other places. 13:31:12 ...here is an example of a best practice approach, so the bp is ata one level but the example is an implementation pattern 13:31:40 ...it is up to us to say that we recognise that as soemthing we have seen don and agree it is bp. 13:32:06 eparsons: agree it does not have to be the most popular way --- examples that demonstrate the approach we think is the right thing 13:32:17 .... perhaps it is the semantics of the term BP 13:32:34 jtandy: need to have broad application and and example just needs to illustrate that 13:33:07 ... inthe fpwd we wrote 30 best practices in a list and there was lots of new stuff there, and a lot of overlap with dwbp 13:33:35 ...since then dwbp is far more polished and maybe 80% of ours are now sufficient in dwbp doc 13:34:06 ...now we to say here is some conext and some narrative with examples and this is how they should be implemented in a spatail data context 13:34:14 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:34:22 ..... the other ones are new to our group... 13:34:45 ....so many of our BPs will disappear becuase they are subsumed by DWBP 13:35:10 ...but we still have editorial task to lay out the DWBP but this activity is ongoing 13:35:36 plus the examples and narrative and list of stuff that needs to be done in the broader community that need to go n the next version of the BP 13:36:39 robatkinson: i can spend a couple of days reviewing current draft if that helps 13:37:27 jtandy: talking it through is more important than looking over current draft -- e.g. your public comments (and [missed] from geonovum) 13:37:33 q+ 13:37:56 .... in particular look at [missed] narrative and see if you can identify any examples for us 13:38:07 robatkinson: ok 13:38:35 jtandy: bart is ex-pecting to be funded to build and end-to-end testbed to show all these examples working together 13:39:12 ack me 13:39:12 robatknson: in the project I am doing we are building examples before september realting to cisixed scince 13:39:31 jtandy: will send you something to see what we are specifically looking for 13:39:51 eparsons: would you find another f2f useful to get more done? 13:40:32 jtandy: yes, worth discussing with linda, we editors have struggled with time on this report, so thise is not a lot for others to go from right now 13:41:06 .... linda and payam and I will all have a bit of time very shortly -- if we can focus on this then we can push harder for the others 13:41:27 eparsons: could host in london 13:41:48 jtandy: bp subgroup meeting last wekk agreed we can do a fpwd for vote on 27 july 13:42:03 ... so we will finsih for the 20th to be ready for the vote 13:42:41 ....the other thing from the last meeting was about the difference between spatial things and geometry etc 13:43:06 .... what should go in BP? we resolved to talk about spatial things and geometires being disjoint objects 13:43:12 in the Best Practice document we talk about "spatial things" and "geometries" as being disjoint objects - and no-one cares about the incredibly subtle difference between "spatial things" and the term "Feature" as used in ISO/TC 211 and OGC ... so we will use the term "spatial thing" for simplicity 13:43:21 +1 13:43:33 +1 works for me 13:43:35 ... (as opied in by jtandy) 13:43:37 Q+ 13:43:44 eparsons: HAPPY EITH THAT 13:44:04 robatkinson: we can point to BP to back that u 13:44:08 s/i/up/ 13:44:39 ack next 13:44:46 jtandy: when we spoke with TBL in sapporo it reminds me of vcard -- one is a record and one is out there but people really don't care about that 13:45:26 ChrisLittle: in Dublin people are loking at objects again as opposed to features ... no bp, its all alittle early 13:45:54 jtandy: we expect the spatial ontology developing by josh and frans to provide detailed defs 13:47:14 robatkinson: in the borader context of BPon the web ointology is one representation but you can put up resources without the ontology but that does not have to be accepted to still have multiple representations of the thing identified 13:47:14 SpatialThing: “Anything with spatial extent, i.e. size, shape, or position. e.g. people, places, bowling balls, as well as abstract areas like cubes.” [W3C Basic Geo] 13:47:27 jtandy: agree, the w3cgeo record is borad enough 13:48:08 eparsons: was becoming concerned that we were getting too tradiotanl gi expert, but not the 90% of use cases that need simple solutions 13:48:17 ...they need simple and nasty 13:49:04 jtandy: rob, you have identified hte uk linked data names views for collections of properties, but in ogc standards a feature can only be of one type? how does that work? 13:49:25 jtandy: not a prpble if we dont use "feature" 13:49:38 robatknson: will keep that in mind 13:49:56 Topic : W3C TPAC and F2F in Lisbon 13:50:05 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Attending_F2F4 13:50:19 eparsons: please identify whther you will be attending or not. 13:50:22 present+ kerry 13:50:41 ...book your tickets and accommodation 13:50:55 ....call it a day 13:50:59 any questions/ 13:51:03 any questions? 13:51:43 thanks, have a good day! 13:51:43 eparsons: thanks all, closing meeting. update on time early next week 13:51:53 Bye 13:51:58 thanks kerry !!! 13:52:04 rrsagent, make logs public 13:52:11 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:52:11 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/22-sdw-minutes.html Kerry 14:07:26 DanhLePhuoc has joined #sdw 14:12:03 DanhLePhuoc has joined #sdw 15:56:07 Zakim has left #sdw