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15:50:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:50:54 <trackbot> Date: 22 June 2016
15:51:27 <janina_> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:51:27 <janina_> agenda+ Smart Descriptions & Smarter Vocabularies (SDSVoc) Workshop https://www.w3.org/2016/11/sdsvoc/
15:51:30 <janina_> agenda+ COGA FPWD CfC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2016Jun/0008.html
15:51:33 <janina_> agenda+ RQTF Recruiting http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0042.html
15:51:36 <janina_> agenda+ TPAC 2016 Planning [See Below]
15:51:38 <janina_> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:51:41 <janina_> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:51:43 <janina_> agenda+ Action-2011 CSS A11y Statement https://dir.rawr.eu/research/animation-text/
15:51:46 <janina_> agenda+ Action-2057 CSS Properties http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0039.html
15:51:49 <janina_> agenda+ Action-2023 Pointer Lock http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0033.html
15:51:52 <janina_> agenda+ CSS A11y TF Draft https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/css-a11y/work-statement
15:51:55 <janina_> agenda+ Other Business
15:51:57 <janina_> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:52:00 <janina_> agenda+ be done
15:52:06 <janina_> agenda?
15:58:05 <janina_> zakim, next item
15:58:05 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina_]
15:58:12 <janina_> present+ Janina
15:58:15 <janina_> chair: Janina
16:01:09 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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16:03:55 <JF> Present+ JF
16:04:57 <MichielBijl> present+ Michiel_Bijl
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16:05:52 <fesch> scribe: fesch
16:05:59 <fesch> present+ fesch
16:07:24 <fesch> js: anything to be added to agenda?
16:07:28 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC
16:07:38 <fesch> js:: any news
16:08:06 <fesch> mb: thank folks that donated to
16:08:15 <MichielBijl> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dictationbridge#/
16:08:36 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:08:36 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Smart Descriptions & Smarter Vocabularies (SDSVoc) Workshop https://www.w3.org/2016/11/sdsvoc/" taken up [from janina_]
16:09:29 <fesch> js: W3C workshop in November... are there any impacts on accessibility?
16:09:42 <fesch> js: anyone?
16:09:48 <JF> Q+
16:11:16 <fesch> jw: if it leads to new metadata formats is of interest, may be connected with standardization activities - possible indirect implications for a11y
16:11:28 <janina_> ack jf
16:12:23 <fesch> jf: see ref to libraries that have accessibility stuff - schema.org.... diagram center contributed... we should watch
16:12:52 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:12:52 <Zakim> agendum 3. "COGA FPWD CfC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2016Jun/0008.html" taken up [from janina_]
16:13:29 <fesch> mc: how will we watch this? Via WAI IG?
16:14:37 <fesch> js: had CfCs on COGA working draft, open until midnight - only positive feedback so far
16:15:08 <fesch> jf: I remember seeing two CfCs on two separate list
16:15:31 <fesch> js: probably the other comes from WCAG which is their other parent
16:15:47 <fesch> jf: can I respond to only one?
16:16:22 <fesch> mc: if you are quite it counts as concurrence, if you object then you should respond
16:16:36 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:16:36 <Zakim> agendum 4. "RQTF Recruiting http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0042.html" taken up [from janina_]
16:16:41 <JF> Q+
16:17:16 <fesch> js: has been announced, active recruiting begun ... Jason White will be the facilitator
16:18:01 <fesch> jw: a small number people have responded, expecting more
16:18:07 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
16:18:19 <janina_> q?
16:18:57 <janina_> ack jf
16:18:59 <fesch> jw: now is a good time to start thinking about issues for the TF, it is recruiting time... make folks aware
16:19:43 <fesch> jf: we have a Deque person that is interested - Alish
16:20:08 <JF> s/Alish/Sailesh Panchang
16:20:19 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:20:19 <Zakim> agendum 5. "TPAC 2016 Planning" taken up [from See Below]
16:20:48 <fesch> js: registration...
16:21:01 <fesch> jf: able to book in Hotel across the street
16:21:05 <fesch> cs: I will be going
16:21:10 <ShaneM> I do plan to be there.
16:22:16 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2016 APA TPAC 2016 meeting page
16:22:26 <fesch> js: we need to start developing agenda for TPAC - other than CSS - we already are planning on CSS...
16:22:59 <fesch> mc: link to meeting - if you have agenda notes can add things there
16:23:04 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:23:04 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina_]
16:23:34 <fesch> action-2046
16:23:34 <trackbot> action-2046 -- Cynthia Shelly to Add headings for ordering in css aam http://github/w3c/aria/css-aam/css-aam.html -- due 2016-06-22 -- OPEN
16:23:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2046
16:24:04 <fesch> action-2040
16:24:04 <trackbot> action-2040 -- John Foliot to Reach out to ai2 on css scroll snap points -- due 2016-06-22 -- OPEN
16:24:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2040
16:24:46 <fesch> jf: not really about pointer lock - it is about CSS
16:25:24 <fesch> jf: so when you scroll you snap if you have something like images... need to go and see if tab use case is addressed
16:25:31 <fesch> q+
16:25:52 <MichaelC> action-2040 due 1 week
16:25:52 <trackbot> Set action-2040 Reach out to ai2 on css scroll snap points due date to 2016-06-29.
16:26:27 <ShaneM> ACTION-2033
16:26:27 <trackbot> ACTION-2033 -- Shane McCarron to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/tracking-compliance/ tracking compliance and scope -- due 2016-06-08 -- OPEN
16:26:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2033
16:26:34 <fesch> ack
16:27:41 <fesch> mc:  AI2 was bought by the same folks that own Freedom Scientific
16:28:19 <fesch> sm: no accessibility issues directly, talk about consent which could
16:28:24 <MichaelC> close action-2033
16:28:24 <trackbot> Closed action-2033.
16:29:12 <fesch> js: Cynthia how are we doing on the list of CSS specs?
16:29:34 <fesch> cs: progress is being made, want to be on the same page as my developers
16:30:06 <fesch> mc: we need this so we can work with CSS working group, need this soon
16:30:20 <fesch> cs: really bad week for the person that is supposed to review it...
16:31:14 <fesch> js: we need to work the conversation forward  with a wider discussion, doesn't need to be final...
16:31:25 <fesch> cs: should have it next week
16:31:43 <fesch> zakim, next items
16:31:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next items', fesch
16:31:48 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:31:48 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, fesch
16:32:00 <fesch> ack
16:32:14 <fesch> q?
16:32:17 <fesch> ack me
16:32:24 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:32:24 <Zakim> agendum 7. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina_]
16:32:42 <fesch> action-1750
16:32:42 <trackbot> action-1750 -- Cynthia Shelly to Review ui events -- due 2016-06-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:32:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/1750
16:33:30 <MichaelC> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0047.html
16:34:12 <fesch> cs: sent to list
16:34:54 <fesch> cs: interesting integration points, may need YAAM, under specified - talked to Travis for an hour on feedback
16:36:04 <fesch> cs: browsers may implement deprecated stuff... authoring tools must not implement deprecated stuff... (going through email)
16:37:04 <janina_> q?
16:37:15 <fesch> cs: Keypress is deprecated. This is because there wasn't implementation. Even though this feels most parallel to click, keydown is more widely supported. I think this is ok, given the implementation issues.
16:37:58 <fesch> cs: multiple types of focus events
16:39:29 <fesch> cs: click event .... input event ...
16:39:46 <fesch> cs: continuing reviewing email
16:40:31 <fesch> js: is this close to a group a people and see what is different from IndieUI
16:40:46 <fesch> cs: worth exploring
16:41:41 <fesch> cs: should send official feedback
16:42:03 <fesch> js: Michael usually sends it - put on list first
16:42:09 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:42:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/22-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
16:48:29 <fesch> js: do we want Cynthia to draft a response?
16:48:55 <fesch> js: we can review our policy on feedback
16:49:18 <fesch> RESOLUTION: Cynthia to send feedback on UI Events to CSS working group
16:49:56 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/predefined-counter-styles/ Custom Counter Styles
16:50:52 <fesch> mc: we reviewed 2 years ago, sent comments but the ball got dropped did not follow up on Tab's response
16:51:27 <fesch> js: lets agenda this
16:51:33 <fesch> s/Tab/Tav
16:51:49 <MichaelC> action: Lisa to re-review Custom Counter Styles https://www.w3.org/TR/predefined-counter-styles/
16:51:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2062 - Re-review custom counter styles https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ [on Lisa Seeman - due 2016-06-29].
16:52:20 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/international-specs/ Internationalization Best Practices for Spec Developers
16:53:29 <fesch> mc: have an old action on AT not handling unicode characters
16:53:37 <MichaelC> action: Janina to review Internationalization Best Practices for Spec Developers https://www.w3.org/TR/international-specs/
16:53:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2063 - Review internationalization best practices for spec developers https://www.w3.org/tr/international-specs/ [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-06-29].
16:54:15 <fesch> mc: counterparts have a discussion on spec best practices
16:54:59 <fesch> js: we have an interest...
16:55:22 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/ HTML 5.1
16:55:42 <fesch> js: how do we understand this?
16:55:57 <fesch> cs: Is Leone still in APA?
16:55:57 <ShaneM> q+ to talk about reviews
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16:56:37 <fesch> mc: in May we sent input on text alternative, Leone knows we care
16:57:03 <janina_> q?
16:57:13 <janina_> ack s
16:57:13 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to talk about reviews
16:57:19 <richardschwerdtfeger> present+ rich_schwerdtfeger
16:57:55 <fesch> sm: we don't have a clue what changed from 5.0 to 5.1... good to look ... text alternatives don't work didn't get rolled in
16:58:11 <fesch> js: need to follow up on it, could get in 5.2
16:58:26 <fesch> mc: moves to rec July 19
16:58:50 <fesch> cs: I will be a person reviewing
16:58:55 <ShaneM> I am on travel basically until then...
16:58:57 <MichaelC> action-2062: See notes on previous review from wiki https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Custom_Counter_Styles
16:58:57 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2062 Re-review custom counter styles https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/.
16:59:09 <fesch> mb: if we could look at the diff
16:59:25 <fesch> mb: I can take parts...
16:59:49 <fesch> sm: I am on travel the next month
17:00:20 <JF> hard stop, must duck out.
17:00:32 <fesch> js: can you look at the diffs and by next week give an idea of the scope?
17:00:43 <fesch> mc: we care mostly about changes
17:01:07 <fesch> js: if you can see if two people are enough by next week?
17:01:12 <MichielBijl> Changes: http://w3c.github.io/html/changes.html#changes
17:01:35 <MichaelC> action: cynthia to review HTML 5.1 diff to determine scope of review needed https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/changes.html#changes
17:01:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2064 - Review html 5.1 diff to determine scope of review needed https://www.w3.org/tr/html51/changes.html#changes [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2016-06-29].
17:01:42 <MichaelC> action: michiel to review HTML 5.1 diff to determine scope of review needed https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/changes.html#changes
17:01:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2065 - Review html 5.1 diff to determine scope of review needed https://www.w3.org/tr/html51/changes.html#changes [on Michiel Bijl - due 2016-06-29].
17:02:30 <fesch> js: MIchiel we ran out of time didn't get to you agenda item,  Michiel has some text, please put it on list
17:02:41 <fesch> rrsagent, make minutes
17:02:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/22-apa-minutes.html fesch
17:05:31 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
17:05:31 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/22-apa-actions.rdf :
17:05:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Lisa to re-review Custom Counter Styles https://www.w3.org/TR/predefined-counter-styles/ [1]
17:05:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/22-apa-irc#T16-51-49
17:05:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Janina to review Internationalization Best Practices for Spec Developers https://www.w3.org/TR/international-specs/ [2]
17:05:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/22-apa-irc#T16-53-37
17:05:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cynthia to review HTML 5.1 diff to determine scope of review needed https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/changes.html#changes [3]
17:05:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/22-apa-irc#T17-01-35
17:05:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: michiel to review HTML 5.1 diff to determine scope of review needed https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/changes.html#changes [4]
17:05:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/22-apa-irc#T17-01-42
17:05:32 <MichaelC> zakim, bye
17:05:32 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, JF, Michiel_Bijl, fesch, MichaelC, ShaneM, rich_schwerdtfeger
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