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14:38:30 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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14:38:34 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:38:34 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
14:38:35 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:38:35 <trackbot> Date: 16 June 2016
14:38:35 <aphillip> Regrets+ Najib
14:38:40 <aphillip> Regrets+ Felix
14:38:56 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:39:01 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:39:06 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:39:19 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jun/0028.html
14:39:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:39:38 <aphillip> agenda+ Agenda
14:39:42 <aphillip> agenda+ Action Items
14:39:46 <aphillip> agenda+ Info Share
14:40:06 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
14:40:17 <aphillip> agenda+ New article for review: "Time & Date: Essential Concepts"
14:40:27 <aphillip> agenda+ Publish an update to Encoding CR
14:40:36 <aphillip> agenda+ Specdev
14:40:46 <aphillip> agenda+ Other reviews (HTML51, Annotation, etc.)
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15:00:34 <aphillip> Present+ Steven
15:00:37 <aphillip> Present+ Addison
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15:01:56 <aphillip> agenda?
15:02:18 <aphillip> Present+ Richard
15:02:21 <aphillip> Present+ JcK
15:03:40 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:03:40 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from aphillip]
15:04:02 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:04:02 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from aphillip]
15:04:12 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:05:29 <aphillip> action-504?
15:05:29 <trackbot> action-504 -- Addison Phillips to Forward remaining action 502 issues and ping dennis, leandro, and leslie about theirs -- due 2016-04-07 -- OPEN
15:05:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/504
15:05:39 <aphillip> forwarded mine, did not ping the others
15:05:53 <aphillip> action-514?
15:05:53 <trackbot> action-514 -- Richard Ishida to Publish ruby markup article after pinging fantasai and koji -- due 2016-05-12 -- OPEN
15:05:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/514
15:05:59 <aphillip> close action-514
15:05:59 <trackbot> Closed action-514.
15:06:13 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/blog/International/2016/06/13/new-article-ruby-markup/
15:06:45 <aphillip> action-516?
15:06:45 <trackbot> action-516 -- Addison Phillips to Triage wontfixed bugzilla items in case any action is needed? -- due 2016-05-12 -- OPEN
15:06:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/516
15:06:47 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2016AprJun/0078.html
15:07:26 <aphillip> close action-516
15:07:26 <trackbot> Closed action-516.
15:07:34 <aphillip> agenda?
15:07:39 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:07:39 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from aphillip]
15:07:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:08:09 <aphillip> richard: added a new status label to tracker
15:08:16 <aphillip> ... called "deferred"
15:08:24 <aphillip> ... will make it appear in our list
15:08:36 <aphillip> ... idea is that, for example, <q> was put off to 5.2
15:08:46 <aphillip> ... dont' want to close but don't want to keep reviewing it
15:09:02 <aphillip> steven: updating instructions?
15:09:07 <aphillip> richard: yes, doing anyway
15:09:31 <aphillip> ... started using our issues list
15:09:36 <aphillip> ... reviewed in our lists
15:09:47 <aphillip> ... copy the info into their github issues list
15:10:00 <aphillip> ... and put a link back to the original
15:10:16 <aphillip> ... but we've started now removing the initial comment
15:10:53 <aphillip> ... certain circumstances were we've discussed before it goes to the other group
15:11:05 <aphillip> steven: keep discussiong but remove initial comment?
15:11:07 <aphillip> richard: yes
15:11:22 <aphillip> richard: hot news about FindText
15:11:39 <aphillip> ... asked Ivan about status
15:11:51 <aphillip> ... shelved for months or years
15:11:57 <aphillip> ... so don't worry about it
15:12:26 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/
15:12:27 <aphillip> addison: if they published as note, ask for big red box on it?
15:12:37 <aphillip> richard: please register for TPAC as soon as possible
15:13:00 <aphillip> agenda?
15:13:07 <aphillip> zakimn, take up agendum 4
15:13:21 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:13:21 <Zakim> agendum 4. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]
15:13:24 <aphillip> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
15:14:56 <Steve_Atkin> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/485
15:16:48 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/uievents/#events-keyboardevents
15:17:45 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/reviews/1002-dom3-events/
15:18:01 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0806-xhtml-access/
15:19:28 <aphillip> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:20:17 <aphillip> richard: publication of ruby markup article
15:20:25 <aphillip> ... make more visible where implementation is needed
15:20:36 <aphillip> ... increase implementaiton adoption
15:20:42 <aphillip> ... start writing bugs against implementations
15:21:02 <aphillip> addison: have tests, right?
15:21:06 <aphillip> richard: we do
15:21:52 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/ruby-html
15:22:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:22:17 <aphillip> agenda?
15:22:56 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:22:56 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Specdev" taken up [from aphillip]
15:23:06 <aphillip> http://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev
15:23:21 <aphillip> https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/issues
15:24:13 <aphillip> steven: do we think they'll understand code points and code units and understand those things?
15:24:23 <aphillip> richard: "more" sections are supposed to explain
15:24:33 <aphillip> ... but in some cases like this might be a little bare
15:24:47 <aphillip> ... for the sake of speed, just copied recommendations direct form charmod
15:24:57 <aphillip> steven: logical vs. visual order
15:25:06 <aphillip> ... is that applicable to non-unicode encodings
15:25:14 <aphillip> richard: guidance to spec writers
15:25:22 <aphillip> ... don't want new specs in visual order
15:25:33 <aphillip> steven: my concern is some of our legacy encoding heritage
15:25:39 <aphillip> ... okay with that
15:25:51 <aphillip> steven: base direction and assuming dir from lang
15:25:55 <aphillip> ... 7 and 8?
15:26:24 <aphillip> ... should not require content author to use control characters to get direction they want, right?
15:26:34 <aphillip> richard: could be a script or whatever, not just content author
15:27:04 <aphillip> steven: can indicate as metadata, not use controls to get effect wanted
15:27:25 <aphillip> ... want to change to be explicit "do not use lang to get dir"
15:27:41 <aphillip> richard: may be certain situations, if not information is available, as a fallback
15:27:55 <aphillip> ... doesn't always hold
15:28:00 <aphillip> ... kind of left it
15:28:24 <aphillip> steven: last thing was #5
15:28:33 <aphillip> ... default text processing language
15:28:52 <aphillip> ... for resource as a whole *and* any inheritance models
15:29:05 <aphillip> richard: inheritance should be the case at resource and block level
15:29:27 <aphillip> ... had it there so spec authors would see it in context
15:29:35 <aphillip> ... will have another look
15:29:45 <aphillip> steven: rest are commented on
15:30:00 <aphillip> (Steven exuent)
15:42:47 <aphillip> agenda?
15:43:50 <r12a> http://r12a.github.io/apps/conversion/
15:43:51 <aphillip> http://r12a.github.io/apps/conversion/
15:46:13 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/TR/charmod/#C042
15:48:32 <aphillip> \u{1234}
15:49:02 <aphillip> \U
15:51:35 <aphillip> agenda?
15:52:03 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:52:03 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Publish an update to Encoding CR" taken up [from aphillip]
15:52:22 <aphillip> richard: would like to take a decision on publishing an update when we know what that involves
15:53:05 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-cr-doc2
15:53:33 <aphillip> richard: first step is to publish an updated
15:53:43 <aphillip> ... some subsntative made, but mostly settling
15:53:56 <aphillip> ... why are we doing this TR thing, it's out of date
15:58:46 <aphillip> move to publish a new CR of Encoding
15:58:51 <aphillip> +1
15:58:58 <r12a> +1
15:59:34 <JcK> +1 (with qualification for list objections)
15:59:49 <aphillip> action:addison: call for objections to publishing Encoding updated CR
16:00:09 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:00:22 <aphillip> richard: want to be more proactive about closing issues in our lists
16:00:31 <aphillip> ... marked our web-annotations ones
16:00:48 <aphillip> ... ask www-international and then close if no objections
16:02:10 <aphillip> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/labels/close%3F
16:02:39 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
16:03:11 <aphillip> do by spec
16:03:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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16:04:16 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:04:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:04:18 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:04:18 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Steven, Addison, Richard, JcK
16:04:19 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
16:04:22 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:04:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:04:25 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:04:25 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/16-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:04:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: call for objections to publishing Encoding updated CR [1]
16:04:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/16-i18n-irc#T15-59-49