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15:36:16 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
15:36:16 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
15:36:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:36:17 <trackbot> Date: 15 June 2016
15:36:21 <janina_> agenda?
15:36:27 <janina_> zakim, clear agenda
15:36:27 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:36:33 <janina_> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:36:33 <janina_> agenda+ TPAC 2016 Planning [See Below]
15:36:33 <janina_> agenda+ COGA FPWD Update -- Lisa, Michael
15:36:33 <janina_> agenda+ RQTF Update & Recruiting -- Jason
15:36:34 <janina_> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:36:35 <janina_> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:36:38 <janina_> agenda+ Action-2059 CSS Pseudo Elements http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0035.html
15:36:41 <janina_> agenda+ Action-2055 CSS Painting http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0031.html
15:36:44 <janina_> agenda+ CSS A11y TF Draft https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/css-a11y/work-statement
15:36:47 <janina_> agenda+ Action-2023 Pointer Lock http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0033.html
15:36:50 <janina_> agenda+ Other Business
15:36:52 <janina_> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:36:55 <janina_> agenda+ be done
15:52:55 <janina_>  zakim, next item
15:52:55 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina_]
15:53:04 <janina_> present+ Janina
15:53:07 <janina_> chair: Janina
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16:02:33 <Lisa_Seeman> password for webex?
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16:03:43 <JF> zakim, who is here?
16:03:43 <Zakim> Present: Janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, JF, fesch, MichaelC, Léonie, LJWatson, ShaneM
16:03:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see JF, Lisa_Seeman, fesch, RRSAgent, chaals, janina_, janina, MichaelC, Zakim, slightlyoff, ShaneM, MichielBijl, trackbot, joanie
16:04:09 <ShaneM> scribe: ShaneM
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16:05:14 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC
16:06:00 <JF> agenda?
16:06:25 <ShaneM> Cynthia: Progress happening on test automation.
16:06:30 <ShaneM> ... meeting scheduled on friday.
16:06:59 <ShaneM> ... Jon gunderson is organizing the meeting on Friday.
16:07:15 <ShaneM> MichaelC: I have been meaning to ask that the conversation get moved to the aria-testing mailing list.
16:07:22 <ShaneM> ... that list might be open subscription - I am not sure.
16:07:33 <ShaneM> JF: it would be nice to get that more publicized.
16:07:55 <ShaneM> MichaelC: it has been posted to ARIA list and put on the page.
16:08:14 <ShaneM> Cyns: Let's wait until things settle out before we start pulling in more people.
16:08:29 <ShaneM> JF: There is a firm date of October for the 508 refresh
16:08:53 <ShaneM> ... there is a concern that it get done before the general election so it does not fall by the wayside again.
16:09:03 <ShaneM> janina_: any discussion of an ADA refresh?
16:09:11 <ShaneM> JF: Not that I noticed.
16:09:30 <ShaneM> janina_: There is an expectation that a refresh would put more requirements on web sites (Title III etc.)
16:09:42 <ShaneM> JF: What I heard is third hand...
16:10:07 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:10:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2016 Planning" taken up [from See Below]
16:10:43 <ShaneM> Nothing new to report on the agenda.
16:10:49 <ShaneM> We will be very busy all week in two rooms.
16:11:11 <ShaneM> There has been a discussion about getting together in a breakout on Wednesday about horizontal review groups.
16:11:37 <ShaneM> ... not decided yet, but it could happen.  There is a lot of interest.
16:11:45 <ShaneM> janina_: chair's breakfast is usually on Tuesday.
16:12:32 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:12:32 <Zakim> agendum 3. "COGA FPWD Update -- Lisa, Michael" taken up [from janina_]
16:13:05 <ShaneM> Lisa_Seeman: would like to publish two documents.  gap analysis and roadmap, and then a companion document on issue papers
16:13:06 <Lisa_Seeman> http://w3c.github.io/coga/gap-analysis/
16:13:13 <Lisa_Seeman> http://w3c.github.io/coga/issue-papers/
16:13:22 <ShaneM> ... there is a lot of content in it, but there will be more and improvements.
16:13:38 <ShaneM> ... we are looking forward to feedback.  publish sooner rather than later and then make changes.
16:13:45 <ShaneM> ... beginning sections are more mature.
16:15:16 <ShaneM> janina_: we need a resolution here to publish, then a CFC.
16:15:31 <ShaneM> ... is WCAG going to run their process as well?
16:16:15 <ShaneM> Lisa_Seeman: They are running through their process.  There was some discussion about another appendix on WCAG techniques.  We are removing appendix 2 until they have time to generate some feedback on it.
16:16:28 <ShaneM> janina_: so they will take it up on their own?
16:16:31 <ShaneM> Lisa_Seeman: Yes.
16:16:57 <ShaneM> MichaelC: I am not sure if it is a separate document.  It might just return as an appendix to the gap analysis once they have rviewed it separately.
16:17:03 <ShaneM> s/rviewed/reviewed/
16:17:40 <ShaneM> RESOLUTION: Publish the two documents referenced by Lisa above as FPWD.
16:17:59 <Lisa_Seeman> thank you all
16:18:07 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:18:07 <Zakim> agendum 4. "RQTF Update & Recruiting -- Jason" taken up [from janina_]
16:19:02 <ShaneM> janina_: there were no objections to launching the task force.  Home page is getting put together and identify low hanging fruit.
16:19:36 <ShaneM> slightlyoff: CFC has passed.  Work statement is approved.  Begun work on text for announcement and invitation to participate.
16:19:47 <ShaneM> ... areas of potential investigation are identified
16:20:03 <ShaneM> ... authentication, personalization, etc.
16:20:23 <ShaneM> ... any decisions about actual work items will be made in the context of the group.
16:20:36 <ShaneM> ... we are mostly set up at this point.  Just need to make the formal announcement.
16:20:40 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/ Research Questions Task Force
16:20:43 <ShaneM> ... some possibility of meeting at TPAC.
16:20:47 <ShaneM> janina_: Recruiting?
16:21:19 <ShaneM> ... we should ask the group here to help identify people who would shine in this group.
16:21:31 <ShaneM> ... particularly from our larger members.
16:21:44 <ShaneM> ... expand our ability to think creatively!
16:22:15 <ShaneM> slightlyoff: once we have the announcement ready we will circulate that to people in the research community.
16:22:29 <ShaneM> ... everyone here is of course welcome to circulate it further as well.
16:23:10 <ShaneM> janina_: hopefully we will be ready to look at telecon times etc by next week's meeting.
16:23:13 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:23:13 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina_]
16:24:15 <ShaneM> janina_: screen capture is very interesting.  Nothing to comment on yet.  Probably will be.
16:24:45 <ShaneM> ACTION-2061
16:24:45 <trackbot> ACTION-2061 -- Janina Sajka to Review screen capture https://www.w3.org/tr/screen-capture/ -- due 2016-06-15 -- OPEN
16:24:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2061
16:25:01 <MichaelC> action-2061 due 6 months
16:25:01 <trackbot> Set action-2061 Review screen capture https://www.w3.org/tr/screen-capture/ due date to 2016-12-15.
16:25:07 <ShaneM> MichaelC: marking as spec review deferred.  move the action out 6 months.
16:25:13 <ShaneM> ACTION-2060
16:25:13 <trackbot> ACTION-2060 -- Janina Sajka to Review media capture from dom elements https://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-fromelement/ -- due 2016-06-15 -- OPEN
16:25:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2060
16:25:42 <ShaneM> janina_: looked at multi streams.  They are accomodating them.
16:25:54 <ShaneM> ... unclear how the pieces fit together, but no issues with this spec.
16:25:58 <MichaelC> close action-2060
16:25:58 <trackbot> Closed action-2060.
16:26:05 <ShaneM> ACTION-2059
16:26:05 <trackbot> ACTION-2059 -- Fred Esch to Review css pseudo-elements module level 4 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-pseudo-4/ -- due 2016-06-15 -- OPEN
16:26:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2059
16:26:15 <ShaneM> On the agenda for later...
16:26:17 <ShaneM> ACTION-2058
16:26:17 <trackbot> ACTION-2058 -- Cynthia Shelly to Review css properties and values api level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-properties-values-api-1/ -- due 2016-06-15 -- OPEN
16:26:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2058
16:26:31 <ShaneM> Cyns: Not done yet.
16:26:47 <MichaelC> action-2058 due 2 weeks
16:26:47 <trackbot> Set action-2058 Review css properties and values api level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-properties-values-api-1/ due date to 2016-06-29.
16:26:55 <ShaneM> ACTION-2057
16:26:55 <trackbot> ACTION-2057 -- Michael Cooper to Review css properties and values api level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-properties-values-api-1/ -- due 2016-06-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:26:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2057
16:27:14 <ShaneM> MichaelC: Let's discuss this next week.  I sent some notes to the list.
16:27:27 <ShaneM> ... this module might not have issues, but things that use it might.  Not clear yet.
16:27:58 <ShaneM> ACTION-2056
16:27:58 <trackbot> ACTION-2056 -- Fred Esch to Review css properties and values api level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-properties-values-api-1/ -- due 2016-06-15 -- OPEN
16:27:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2056
16:28:01 <MichaelC> action-2056 due 2 weeks
16:28:01 <trackbot> Set action-2056 Review css properties and values api level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-properties-values-api-1/ due date to 2016-06-29.
16:28:05 <ShaneM> Not done yet.
16:28:12 <ShaneM> ACTION-2055
16:28:12 <trackbot> ACTION-2055 -- Fred Esch to Review css painting api level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-paint-api-1/ -- due 2016-06-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:28:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2055
16:28:17 <ShaneM> On agenda for later.
16:28:24 <ShaneM> ACTION-2053
16:28:24 <trackbot> ACTION-2053 -- Shane McCarron to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ web authentication: a web api for accessing scoped credentials -- due 2016-06-08 -- OPEN
16:28:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2053
16:29:16 <ShaneM> Doesn't have UI implications but has human interface specifications.  Let's discuss on list.
16:29:24 <MichaelC> action-2053 due 2 weeks
16:29:24 <trackbot> Set action-2053 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ web authentication: a web api for accessing scoped credentials due date to 2016-06-29.
16:29:24 <ShaneM> MichaelC: I don't want to lose track of this one.
16:29:35 <ShaneM> janina_: let's leave it open and discuss in two weeks.
16:29:38 <ShaneM> ACTION-2051
16:29:38 <trackbot> ACTION-2051 -- Fred Esch to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-overflow-3/ css overflow module level 3 -- due 2016-06-15 -- OPEN
16:29:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2051
16:30:25 <ShaneM> Not sure what should be done with this.  It is really only about clipping and scrolling.
16:30:42 <ShaneM> Cyns: We should put it on the list of things that need interaction with A11Y APIs.
16:30:55 <ShaneM> ... there are states and properties that might interact with scrolling and viewports.
16:31:03 <ShaneM> MichaelC: so should be be part of the CSS-AAM?
16:31:16 <ShaneM> Cyns: It is on the list of specs already.
16:32:16 <ShaneM> MichaelC: tagged with CSS-AAM.  are we closing or reassigning?
16:32:22 <ShaneM> ... I prefer closing it.
16:32:53 <MichaelC> close action-2051
16:32:53 <trackbot> Closed action-2051.
16:33:09 <ShaneM> fesch: need to update the wiki
16:33:26 <ShaneM> MichaelC: if you could update the wiki with the information about scrolling that would be helpful.
16:33:47 <ShaneM> janina_: for example there are some things about off-screen data that should be captured.
16:34:12 <ShaneM> fesch: you don't know what is clipped or not.  ATs will read it whether it is clipped or not.  That's why I pinged them.  Not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.
16:34:30 <ShaneM> ACTION-2050
16:34:30 <trackbot> ACTION-2050 -- Janina Sajka to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/audio-output/ audio output devices api -- due 2016-06-15 -- OPEN
16:34:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2050
16:34:51 <ShaneM> janina_: very eary draft.  exactly what we contemplated in the MAUR.  Let's bring back in 6 months.
16:35:14 <ShaneM> ... it is an implementation of part of the functionality from the web audio API.
16:35:24 <MichaelC> action-2050 due 6 months
16:35:24 <trackbot> Set action-2050 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/audio-output/ audio output devices api due date to 2016-12-15.
16:35:32 <ShaneM> ACTION-2049
16:35:32 <trackbot> ACTION-2049 -- Janina Sajka to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ media capture and streams -- due 2016-06-15 -- OPEN
16:35:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2049
16:36:01 <ShaneM> janina_: it is about microphones and webcams.  It incorporates the MAUR concepts.  I think we are good.
16:36:12 <MichaelC> close action-2049
16:36:12 <trackbot> Closed action-2049.
16:36:20 <ShaneM> ACTION-2047
16:36:20 <trackbot> ACTION-2047 -- Michiel Bijl to Review css grid layout https://www.w3.org/tr/css-grid-1/ -- due 2016-06-15 -- OPEN
16:36:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2047
16:36:59 <ShaneM> MichielBijl: did not yet get to that.
16:37:03 <ShaneM> MichaelC: put off for two weeks
16:37:17 <MichaelC> action-2047 due 2 weeks
16:37:17 <trackbot> Set action-2047 Review css grid layout https://www.w3.org/tr/css-grid-1/ due date to 2016-06-29.
16:37:26 <ShaneM> janina_: this is related to 2011 too.
16:37:35 <MichaelC> action-2011 due 2 weeks
16:37:35 <trackbot> Set action-2011 Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified due date to 2016-06-29.
16:37:41 <ShaneM> ... push out 2011 two weeks also
16:37:46 <MichaelC> action-2047: also see action-2011
16:37:46 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2047 Review css grid layout https://www.w3.org/tr/css-grid-1/.
16:37:51 <MichaelC> action-2011: also see action-2047
16:37:51 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2011 Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified.
16:38:03 <ShaneM> ACTION-2046
16:38:03 <trackbot> ACTION-2046 -- Cynthia Shelly to Add headings for ordering in css aam http://github/w3c/aria/css-aam/css-aam.html -- due 2016-06-15 -- OPEN
16:38:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2046
16:38:37 <MichaelC> action-2046 due 1 week
16:38:37 <trackbot> Set action-2046 Add headings for ordering in css aam http://github/w3c/aria/css-aam/css-aam.html due date to 2016-06-22.
16:38:38 <ShaneM> Cyns: I have the list in a non-shareable format.  Running it by a couple of people internally then will put onto the list or github.
16:38:42 <ShaneM> ACTION-2040
16:38:42 <trackbot> ACTION-2040 -- John Foliot to Reach out to ai2 on css scroll snap points -- due 2016-06-15 -- OPEN
16:38:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2040
16:39:21 <ShaneM> JF: not yet done.  trying to coordinate with Leonie.
16:39:52 <ShaneM> janina_: let's do this sooner than later.  What she is asking is something they might want to do at the same time (pointer lock)
16:39:57 <ShaneM> JF: need another week.
16:40:00 <MichaelC> action-2040 due 1 week
16:40:00 <trackbot> Set action-2040 Reach out to ai2 on css scroll snap points due date to 2016-06-22.
16:40:24 <ShaneM> ACTION-2026
16:40:24 <trackbot> ACTION-2026 -- Lisa Seeman to Review secure contexts https://www.w3.org/tr/powerful-features/ -- due 2016-04-27 -- OPEN
16:40:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2026
16:41:37 <MichaelC> action-2026 due 2 weeks
16:41:37 <trackbot> Set action-2026 Review secure contexts https://www.w3.org/tr/powerful-features/ due date to 2016-06-29.
16:41:51 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:41:51 <Zakim> agendum 6. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina_]
16:42:13 <ShaneM> MichaelC: there are no new publications
16:42:23 <ShaneM> ... there is churn but we dont know if it is meaningful.
16:42:31 <ShaneM> zakim, close this item
16:42:31 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
16:42:32 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:42:32 <Zakim> 7. Action-2059 CSS Pseudo Elements http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0035.html [from janina_]
16:42:36 <ShaneM> zakim, take up item 7
16:42:36 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Action-2059 CSS Pseudo Elements http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0035.html" taken up [from janina_]
16:42:49 <ShaneM> ACTION-2059
16:42:49 <trackbot> ACTION-2059 -- Fred Esch to Review css pseudo-elements module level 4 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-pseudo-4/ -- due 2016-06-15 -- OPEN
16:42:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2059
16:43:45 <ShaneM> zakim, take up item 8
16:43:45 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Action-2055 CSS Painting http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0031.html" taken up [from janina_]
16:43:49 <ShaneM> ACTION-2055
16:43:49 <trackbot> ACTION-2055 -- Fred Esch to Review css painting api level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-paint-api-1/ -- due 2016-06-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:43:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2055
16:44:09 <ShaneM> fesch: very low level.  don't see any A11Y concerns.
16:44:09 <fesch> The contents of the resulting image are not designed to be accessible. Authors should communicate any useful information through the standard accessibility APIs.
16:44:45 <ShaneM> ... we might want to revisit it in the future.  If so, very low priority.  It is very empty right now.
16:45:06 <ShaneM> janina_: is 6 months too soon?
16:45:09 <ShaneM> MichaelC: Sure.
16:45:19 <ShaneM> s/Sure/I am inclined to go with 6 months./
16:45:25 <ShaneM> zakim, take up item 7
16:45:25 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Action-2059 CSS Pseudo Elements http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0035.html" taken up [from janina_]
16:45:30 <ShaneM> ACTION-2059
16:45:30 <trackbot> ACTION-2059 -- Fred Esch to Review css pseudo-elements module level 4 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-pseudo-4/ -- due 2016-06-15 -- OPEN
16:45:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2059
16:45:49 <ShaneM> fesch: all sorts of a11y concerns.
16:46:02 <MichaelC> action-2055 due 6 months
16:46:02 <trackbot> Set action-2055 Review css painting api level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-paint-api-1/ due date to 2016-12-15.
16:46:03 <ShaneM> ... highlight pseudo elements.  visual changes that might not be available to AT.
16:46:15 <Lisa_Seeman> Q+
16:46:21 <ShaneM> They have security concerns.  The UA should not be able to report these things.  Usually spelling mistakes etc.
16:47:03 <ShaneM> ... I think that visually changing things could be challenging for low vision users.  There should at least be a note that says do this right.
16:47:34 <ShaneM> ... there are also concerns about before, after, and **** are a concern.  they cannot be resized for example.
16:47:39 <janina_> q?
16:48:07 <ShaneM> fesch: The other thing is that in the CSS obejct model it may contain rules for inclusion in the A11Y tree.
16:48:28 <ShaneM> ... they say that things can be source of events.  If things can be a source of events, then it needs to be in the A11Y tree.
16:48:39 <janina_> ack l
16:48:41 <ShaneM> ... I dont know if that is relevant to the CSS-AAM and CORE-AAM.
16:48:49 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:48:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/15-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
16:49:02 <ShaneM> Lisa_Seeman: I had an idea... not sure we might want to think through it now...
16:49:26 <JF> Q+
16:49:32 <ShaneM> ... should there be a standardized way of mapping css classes or pseudo classes to attributes or aria characteristics.
16:50:05 <ShaneM> ... for example when this thing is in use, some thing is disabled.  So that a designer would know that when using a class certain effects happen automatically.
16:50:41 <janina_> ack jf
16:50:45 <ShaneM> ... instead of each person using a class having to put in the ARIA label, have something just happen.
16:51:10 <ShaneM> JF: I think that this is a really good idea.  We have kicked this around before.  Tab Atkins at google has looked at it with cascading attribute sheets.
16:51:26 <fesch> q+ to say CSS has a doc about adding variables/values
16:51:27 <ShaneM> ... classes are used for lots of things (e.g., event callbacks).
16:51:50 <janina_> q?
16:51:56 <ShaneM> ... we tried to do a proof of concept around this idea.  But it would be a big issue.  It is a brand new way of thinking about things.
16:52:07 <janina_> ack fe
16:52:07 <Zakim> fesch, you wanted to say CSS has a doc about adding variables/values
16:52:12 <ShaneM> ... maybe this is something we could take to the research question task force to see if there is an interest.
16:52:29 <ShaneM> fesch: CSS does have a doc about setting variables / values for css.  It might be relevant.
16:52:51 <fesch> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-properties-values-api-1/
16:53:19 <ShaneM> Cyns: The CSS group has done a lot of work to make it easier to find their stuff on their home page.
16:53:40 <ShaneM> ... I wasn't thinking abotu the variable one.  It is interesting that might be something we could leverage.
16:54:01 <ShaneM> janina_: I had not looked recently.
16:54:03 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
16:54:07 <ShaneM> Cyns:  it is pretty good nwo.
16:54:10 <ShaneM> s/nwo/now/
16:55:27 <ShaneM> MichaelC: there are missing links in the informative references section...
16:55:47 <ShaneM> Lisa_Seeman: my quick look at this is that they are not really supporting our use cases.  We could ask them to do so though!
16:56:36 <ShaneM> janina_: we have known for a long time that we need to pay more attention to CSS.  We are getting better at that.  One proposal is that a task force would have responsibility and create a CSS application api mappings document (and maybe other deliverables).
16:57:12 <ShaneM> ... task force would be APA, ARIA, and CSS.  Not a lot of enthusiasm yet.  But once ARIA 1.1 is out maybe.
16:57:48 <ShaneM> MichaelC: what should we do in the wiki?
16:57:56 <ShaneM> janina_: is this appropriate for the CSS-AAM?
16:58:01 <ShaneM> fesch: yes, definitely
16:58:22 <MichaelC> close action-2059
16:58:22 <trackbot> Closed action-2059.
16:58:27 <ShaneM> fesch: someone should write a blurb about the highlight pseudo elements since they are only visual.
16:58:33 <ShaneM> fesch: do we want to do that right now?
16:58:42 <ShaneM> janina_: why not - sounds like very low hanging fruit.
16:58:47 <ShaneM> MichaelC: what's the process?
16:59:11 <ShaneM> janina_: draft it, send to list, if no objections Michael or Janina send on.
16:59:16 <ShaneM> ... who wants to do it?
16:59:21 <ShaneM> <<<crickets>>>
16:59:27 <ShaneM> janina_: I guess it falls to me.
16:59:42 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
16:59:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/15-apa-minutes.html ShaneM
17:00:04 <ShaneM> zakim, agenda?
17:00:04 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
17:00:05 <Zakim> 7. Action-2059 CSS Pseudo Elements http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0035.html [from janina_]
17:00:05 <Zakim> 8. Action-2055 CSS Painting http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0031.html [from janina_]
17:00:05 <Zakim> 10. Action-2023 Pointer Lock http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0033.html [from janina_]
17:00:06 <Zakim> 11. Other Business [from janina_]
17:00:06 <Zakim> 12. next and future meetings [from janina_]
17:00:06 <Zakim> 13. be done [from janina_]
17:00:11 <ShaneM> zakim, close item 7
17:00:11 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ShaneM
17:00:16 <ShaneM> q?
17:00:19 <ShaneM> ack Lisa_Seeman
17:00:23 <ShaneM> zakim, close item 7
17:00:23 <Zakim> agendum 7, Action-2059 CSS Pseudo Elements http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0035.html, closed
17:00:25 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:00:25 <Zakim> 8. Action-2055 CSS Painting http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0031.html [from janina_]
17:00:32 <ShaneM> zakim, close item 8
17:00:32 <Zakim> agendum 8, Action-2055 CSS Painting http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0031.html, closed
17:00:34 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:00:34 <Zakim> 10. Action-2023 Pointer Lock http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0033.html [from janina_]
17:00:48 <ShaneM> zakim, take up item 10
17:00:48 <Zakim> agendum 10. "Action-2023 Pointer Lock http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0033.html" taken up [from janina_]
17:00:49 <janina_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0038.html
17:01:02 <ShaneM> janina_: we got comments from leonie.  there are some questions directed to AI.
17:01:23 <ShaneM> janina_: let's associate 2023 with the snap points action that jf has.
17:01:44 <ShaneM> zakim, adjourn meeting
17:01:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'adjourn meeting', ShaneM
17:01:48 <ShaneM> zakim, adjourn
17:01:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'adjourn', ShaneM
17:01:59 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here
17:01:59 <Zakim> ShaneM, you need to end that query with '?'
17:02:03 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here?
17:02:03 <Zakim> Present: Janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, JF, fesch, MichaelC, Léonie, LJWatson, ShaneM
17:02:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see JF, Lisa_Seeman, fesch, RRSAgent, chaals, janina_, janina, MichaelC, Zakim, slightlyoff, ShaneM, MichielBijl, trackbot, joanie
17:02:16 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
17:02:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/15-apa-minutes.html ShaneM
17:02:24 <ShaneM> rrsagent, adjourn
17:02:24 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'adjourn', ShaneM.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:03:27 <MichaelC> action-2023: also see action-2040
17:03:27 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2023 John to ask Aaron for input on Pointer Lock https://www.w3.org/TR/pointerlock/.
17:03:38 <MichaelC> action-2040: also see action-2023
17:03:38 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2040 Reach out to ai2 on css scroll snap points.
17:04:48 <ShaneM> trackbot, end meeting
17:04:48 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:04:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, JF, fesch, MichaelC, Léonie, LJWatson, ShaneM
17:04:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:04:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/15-apa-minutes.html trackbot
17:04:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:04:57 <RRSAgent> I see no action items