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15:00:55 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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15:00:59 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
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15:01:00 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
15:01:00 <trackbot> Date: 09 June 2016
15:01:52 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jun/0013.html
15:01:57 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:02:02 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
15:02:12 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
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15:03:40 <aphillip> Present+ Addison
15:03:45 <aphillip> Present+ Felix
15:03:50 <aphillip> Present+ Richard
15:03:54 <aphillip> Present+ Steve
15:04:10 <aphillip> Present+ JcK
15:04:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:05:08 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
15:05:12 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:05:23 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:07:31 <aphillip> close action-520
15:07:32 <trackbot> Closed action-520.
15:07:59 <aphillip> actio-522?
15:08:04 <aphillip> action-522?
15:08:04 <trackbot> action-522 -- Addison Phillips to Html github issue 127 look into additional recommendations if any -- due 2016-05-19 -- OPEN
15:08:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/522
15:08:09 <aphillip> did update
15:08:13 <aphillip> close action-522
15:08:13 <trackbot> Closed action-522.
15:08:28 <aphillip> action-526?
15:08:28 <trackbot> action-526 -- Richard Ishida to Provide note text to indicate that selection tools should take care in selecting boundaries -- due 2016-06-02 -- OPEN
15:08:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/526
15:08:36 <aphillip> richard: didn't do, but think they have the text
15:08:39 <aphillip> close action-526
15:08:39 <trackbot> Closed action-526.
15:09:00 <aphillip> action-528?
15:09:00 <trackbot> action-528 -- Addison Phillips to Look into issue 123 and update as needed -- due 2016-06-09 -- OPEN
15:09:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/528
15:09:04 <aphillip> created new html issue
15:09:07 <aphillip> close action-528
15:09:07 <trackbot> Closed action-528.
15:09:18 <aphillip> action-529?
15:09:18 <trackbot> action-529 -- Addison Phillips to Forward issue 122 to html -- due 2016-06-09 -- OPEN
15:09:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/529
15:09:20 <aphillip> did that
15:09:23 <aphillip> close action-529
15:09:23 <trackbot> Closed action-529.
15:09:39 <aphillip> action-530?
15:09:39 <trackbot> action-530 -- Addison Phillips to Write to chairs@ with a note saying effectively "don't follow old lc model, giving us no time to react" -- due 2016-06-09 -- OPEN
15:09:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/530
15:09:48 <aphillip> close action-530
15:09:48 <trackbot> Closed action-530.
15:10:14 <aphillip> close action-531
15:10:15 <trackbot> Closed action-531.
15:10:29 <aphillip> action-532?
15:10:29 <trackbot> action-532 -- Richard Ishida to Send a note to www-international asking for last call on deprecation of o-time and deprecate if no objection -- due 2016-06-09 -- OPEN
15:10:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/532
15:10:44 <aphillip> close action-532
15:10:44 <trackbot> Closed action-532.
15:11:16 <aphillip> close action-533
15:11:16 <trackbot> Closed action-533.
15:11:25 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:11:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:11:49 <aphillip> richard: note to chairs, brought up in global Staff
15:12:00 <aphillip> ... added staff contacts to org reviews earlier
15:12:03 <aphillip> ... labels
15:12:21 <aphillip> ... so we see thigns in other's issues lists
15:12:57 <aphillip> richard: wai asked about "magic labels"
15:13:24 <aphillip> felix: attended loc world workshop this week
15:13:25 <fsasaki> http://locworld.localizationworl.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/FEISGILTTProgram2016.pdf
15:13:40 <aphillip> felix: FEIGSGILT
15:13:46 <aphillip> ... link to program above
15:13:54 <aphillip> ... several interesting things
15:14:04 <aphillip> ... xliff om working on object model
15:14:14 <aphillip> ... transfer loc content from json
15:14:29 <aphillip> ... what we discussed a while ago
15:14:39 <aphillip> ... interop between diff formats
15:14:51 <aphillip> ... not just specific to i18n or l10n
15:14:56 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/community/rax/
15:14:59 <aphillip> ... not throw away what theyve done
15:15:05 <aphillip> ... new CG related to that
15:15:20 <aphillip> ... many people in language processing
15:15:29 <aphillip> ... extract text, annotate, merge back
15:15:34 <aphillip> ... need workflow
15:15:34 <fsasaki> http://fsasaki.github.io/stuff/feisgiltt2016/
15:15:44 <aphillip> felix: talk I gave in link above
15:15:53 <aphillip> ... xml, linked data
15:16:04 <aphillip> ... hides content specific in js method
15:16:17 <aphillip> ... metadata coordination would be useful
15:16:34 <aphillip> ... demo is web annotation
15:16:44 <aphillip> ... can put web annotation in
15:16:54 <aphillip> ... both xpath and offset based selectors demoed
15:17:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:17:17 <aphillip> Topic: Radar
15:17:30 <aphillip> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
15:18:28 <aphillip> steve: sent off 157
15:18:41 <aphillip> ... couldn't add tags, labels, subscribers
15:18:50 <aphillip> ... copied link into our github issue
15:19:04 <aphillip> steve: 158, added additional text proposal
15:19:11 <aphillip> ... others richard closed
15:19:29 <aphillip> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/158
15:19:43 <aphillip> If specified, the value must be a single grapheme: a string that contains a sequence of graphical Unicode code points. Typically, this sequence will contain a single Unicode code point, but there may be cases where multiple code points are needed to generate the single grapheme.
15:22:25 <aphillip> (discussion of whether there are keyboard keys that produce a sequence)
15:22:28 <aphillip> remove graphical
15:23:06 <aphillip> richard: issue is with term printable character
15:26:52 <aphillip> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:28:34 <aphillip> richard: urgent review requests
15:28:43 <aphillip> phil archer and sandro hawke
15:29:13 <aphillip> addison: don't recall will double check
15:31:06 <aphillip> richard: example
15:31:14 <r12a> क़ड़
15:31:17 <aphillip> Alt- and a keypress on hindi
15:31:27 <r12a> U+0958 U+0958 DEVANAGARI LETTER QA
15:31:27 <r12a> U+095C U+095C DEVANAGARI LETTER DDDHA
15:31:38 <aphillip> Alt+keystroke
15:32:09 <r12a> क़ड़
15:32:28 <r12a> U+0915 U+0915 DEVANAGARI LETTER KA
15:32:28 <r12a> U+093C U+093C DEVANAGARI SIGN NUKTA
15:32:28 <r12a> U+0921 U+0921 DEVANAGARI LETTER DDA
15:32:30 <r12a> U+093C U+093C DEVANAGARI SIGN NUKTA
15:33:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:33:18 <aphillip> rrsagent, pointer?
15:33:18 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-irc#T15-33-18
15:38:57 <aphillip>      agenda+ specdev developments ishida@w3.org   Tuesday, 7 June 2016      agenda+ next steps for Encoding spec ishida@w3.org      agenda+ timezone articles, discussion of comments
15:39:22 <aphillip> Topic: next steps of Encoding spec
15:39:40 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jun/0015.html
15:40:21 <aphillip> richard: plh suggests publishing smaller snapshots
15:40:30 <aphillip> ... trying hard not to fork
15:40:39 <aphillip> ... sime things happening
15:40:42 <aphillip> s/sime/some
15:40:45 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-cr-doc2
15:40:55 <aphillip> richard: some substantive changes
15:41:03 <aphillip> ... may mean new CR needed?
15:41:19 <aphillip> ... mostly raised dec/jan
15:41:22 <aphillip> ... settling since
15:42:17 <aphillip> richard: have updated the tests
15:42:34 <aphillip> ... apart from the ones that deal with replacement encoding and utf-16
15:42:41 <aphillip> ... re-running tests
15:42:50 <aphillip> ... some areas of progress in browser support
15:43:03 <aphillip> ... figure out how to say where we have problems
15:43:10 <aphillip> ... for 2 implementations
15:43:19 <aphillip> ... a lot of times we need like one character fixed
15:43:29 <aphillip> ... or two that are same and one different
15:43:45 <aphillip> ... need a plan to bring attention of implementators to shortfalls
15:46:41 <aphillip> addison: mapping tables as errata?
15:47:30 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/encoding-dbl-byte.en#zhhans
15:51:06 <aphillip> richard: a few more days to assemble data
15:51:25 <aphillip> ... working on it, may need to discuss with addision+plh
15:54:10 <aphillip> Topic: specdev developments
15:54:20 <aphillip> please read it :-)
15:54:36 <aphillip> need to look again
15:54:42 <aphillip> richard: did radical reorg
15:55:03 <aphillip> ... wanted to see if any major faux pas
15:55:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:55:26 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/techniques/developing-specs?collapse
15:56:03 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/
15:56:07 <aphillip> These rewritten: Resources Blocks, paragraphs, or similar chunks of content
15:56:16 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/#sec_lang_decl
15:57:13 <aphillip> richard: to generate new material, went through issues we generated for web-annotation
15:57:23 <aphillip> ... "what can I write to make these less likely"
15:58:13 <aphillip> ... debrief after future reviews
16:02:38 <aphillip> file github issues
16:05:49 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:06:16 <aphillip> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/474
16:06:36 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
16:06:36 <aphillip> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/473
16:06:41 <aphillip> 122 and 123
16:08:16 <aphillip> A health warning should make mention of this. Otherwise users might be surprised when they enter a "local" wall time and it is later returned as a different date or time value because of the difference between local wall time and UTC.
16:11:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:13:24 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world
16:13:31 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:13:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:13:45 <aphillip> Regrets+ David
16:13:49 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:13:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:14:38 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:14:38 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Felix, Richard, Steve, JcK
16:14:38 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
16:14:42 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:14:42 <RRSAgent> I see no action items