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Kaz will submit the text 13:12:10 topic: Use Case Wiki 13:14:16 -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MMI/Use_Cases_Categorized Use Case wiki 13:14:24 helena has joined #multimodal 13:14:41 dirk has joined #multimodal 13:14:46 ddahl: Helena and Dirk met before? 13:14:48 helena: no 13:15:12 ... Helena working on MMI discovery 13:15:34 ... now CTO of an enterprise company 13:15:58 dirk: post-doc research on mmi an ubiquitous 13:16:26 ... also developed opensource voice system 13:16:49 ... trying to support more modalities for car infortainments 13:16:58 ... focused on speech 13:17:23 ddahl: the other topic I wanted to talk was a CG on voice 13:17:34 ... use case and requirements for new voice applications 13:17:43 ... like virtual assistance 13:17:55 ... there should be newer standards 13:18:25 ... CGs give us opportunity to develop specifications thought they're not official W3C recommendations 13:19:18 ... put into a mission statement to launch the CG 13:19:37 ... not heavy IP for CG 13:20:39 kaz: add some note on the IP things on CGs 13:21:09 ddahl: would like to try new things like SLM 13:21:34 ... also probably some ideas on dialog management, e.g., user-initiated ones 13:21:48 dirk: state-based dialog management, etc. 13:22:03 ... how that can be standardized 13:22:20 ddahl: ok 13:22:33 ... let's go back to the Use Case discussion 13:22:38 topic: Use Case Wiki 13:22:44 -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MMI/Use_Cases_Categorized Use Case wiki 13:23:02 ddahl: would like to see Dirks comments 13:23:09 ... esp. the first two comments 13:23:23 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-multimodal/2015Jul/0009.html comment 1 13:24:23 ddahl: regarding UC-7 13:24:47 -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MMI/Use_Cases_Categorized#UC-22_Smart_Hotel_Room UC-7 13:25:27 -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MMI/Use_Cases_Categorized#UC-7:_Multimodal_Appliances UC-7 13:25:35 s|-> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MMI/Use_Cases_Categorized#UC-22_Smart_Hotel_Room UC-7|| 13:26:04 dirk: multimodal approach to control your home 13:26:11 ... we had SCXML runtime 13:26:22 ... interacting different standards for presentation 13:26:30 ... VoiceXML for speech 13:26:41 ... VML for avator 13:26:55 ... EMMA as data 13:27:14 s/VML/BML/ 13:27:33 s/BML/BML (Behavior Markup Language)/ 13:27:51 ... user can control device within home 13:27:57 ... this project has ended 13:28:24 -> http://scxmlworkshop.de/eics2015/submissions/Multimodal%20Dialog%20Management%20in%20a%20Smart%20Home%20Context%20with%20SCXML.pdf Dirk's paper 13:28:41 dirk: we use a lot of standards 13:28:52 ... only few developers who know all of them 13:29:18 ... how to discover devices and their capabilities 13:29:31 ... dynamically 13:29:54 ... coming from academic approach 13:30:02 q+ 13:30:07 ... we took some shortcuts 13:30:36 ddahl: gap section 13:31:16 ... trying to sign-in 13:31:44 ... gap or general problems for developers 13:32:46 (updating the wiki) 13:33:16 ddahl: probably the discovery draft would handle the first question 13:34:09 (updated the Gaps section of the UC-7) 13:35:11 dirk: need more data 13:35:36 ... the user say "open the shutter" 13:35:52 ... and the system need to identify which shutter should be opened 13:36:06 ... upper Interaction Manager for MMI fusion 13:36:30 ... serious problem with tree structure 13:37:16 ddahl: we never really clear about what the fusion engine would fit 13:37:36 ... some people mentioned we needed a separate fusion engine 13:37:47 dirk: that's a possible opton 13:37:51 s/opton/option/ 13:38:13 ... if we have more complicated system, that would be tricky 13:38:49 kaz: Prof. Araki and his Team had some idea about how to handle fusion/fission 13:39:07 ddahl: yeah 13:39:33 ... also need for additional API or events for fusion/fission? 13:39:55 dirk: we rely on a rule engine 13:40:11 ... therefore EMMA within data object was good 13:40:36 ... but maybe some dedicated fusion/fission tags could be added 13:40:45 ... we should look into fusion/fission capability 13:40:52 +1 13:40:55 q- 13:41:12 ddahl: probably we need something more than traditional lifecycle events 13:41:45 kaz: kind like "merge cells" and "split cells" for MS Excel :) 13:42:02 dirk: fusion/fission needs context information 13:42:17 ... need some easier access mechanism 13:43:10 ... can handle it using extension event, though 13:43:58 kaz: wanted to ask about what kind of extension was added to EMMA and MMI lifecycle events 13:44:20 dirk: introduced additional component to the tree structure 13:44:42 kaz: did you extend EMMA? 13:44:52 dirk: no, EMMA was sufficient 13:45:05 ... just introduced compound XML forat 13:45:10 s/forat/format/ 13:46:30 kaz: did you use additional events in addition to the usual MMI lifecycle events? 13:47:00 dirk: no, data was bypassed 13:47:27 ... share the context 13:47:40 s/share/to share/ 13:47:56 ... extensionNotification was not very useful for our system 13:48:16 kaz: ok 13:48:32 ... so we should think about that "bypass" mechanism too 13:48:36 dirk: bypassing event chains 13:48:56 ddahl: something like a "blackboard"? 13:49:01 dirk: yes, kind of 13:49:23 ... context information could be shared using that mechanism 13:49:44 ddahl: MCs can access the blackboard? 13:49:54 dirk: no, only the fusion/fission manager can 13:50:18 ddahl: like the terminology of "upper Interaction Manager" 13:51:01 helena: control layer? 13:51:18 ... we need a high-level control layer 13:51:55 ... IM can't handle every aspect 13:53:50 ... the data component should provide contextual information 13:54:05 dirk: data component within the MMI Architecture? 13:54:13 ddahl: part of the IM? 13:54:51 dirk: share the data to made it accessible by the upper IM 13:55:33 helena: as a part of the control layer, you can store the data 13:55:45 ... you can put into the nested structure 13:57:05 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/mmi-arch/#ArchDiagram Runtime architecture diagram 13:57:10 ddahl: we're running out of time 13:57:18 ... great if Dirk can come back again 13:58:01 kaz: yes 13:58:06 dirk: ok 13:58:26 ... btw, there will be another SCXML Workshop in Brussels in 2 weeks 13:58:36 ... June 21 13:58:47 ... one-day workshop 13:59:27 -> http://scxmlworkshop.de/eics2016/ SCXML Workshop site 14:00:00 rrsagent, make log public 14:00:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:00:06 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/06-multimodal-minutes.html kaz 14:04:22 i/Actions/This week Dr. Dirk Schnelle-Walka from Harman International, Connected Car Division joined us to discuss MMI use cases./ 14:04:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:04:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/06-multimodal-minutes.html kaz 14:14:04 s/developed opensource voice system/developed open source VoiceXML system 14:15:04 s/we never really clear/we were never really clear 14:15:30 s/also need for/also was there a need for 14:16:32 s/like the terminology of "upper Interaction Manager"/I like the terminology of "upper Interaction Manager" 14:17:00 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:17:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/06-multimodal-minutes.html ddahl 14:17:41 rrsagent, format minutes 14:17:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/06-multimodal-minutes.html ddahl 14:26:58 s/the user say "open/the user says "open 14:27:22 s/what the fusion engine would fit/where the fusion engine would fit 14:28:01 rrsagent, format minutes 14:28:01 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/06-multimodal-minutes.html ddahl 14:54:26 ddahl has left #multimodal 16:00:10 Zakim has left #multimodal 16:29:27 kaz has joined #multimodal