IRC log of multimodal on 2016-06-06

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Meeting: MMI
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scribenick: kaz
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Chair: Debbie
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present: Debbie, Helena, Dirk, Kaz
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topic: Actions
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action-440?
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action-440 -- Kazuyuki Ashimura to Tell wot ig about our bullet points for the technology landscape -- due 2016-05-23 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/440
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kaz: talked with the WoT IG
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... and got OK to submit the bullet points on MMI
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... still need to submit the actual text to GitHub using pullrequest
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close action-440
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Closed action-440.
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action: Kaz to submit bullet points on MMI to the WoT Landscape document on GitHub
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Created ACTION-441 - Submit bullet points on mmi to the wot landscape document on github [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2016-06-13].
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ddahl: explains the above action to Dirk
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... liaison with WoT IG
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... Kaz will submit the text
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topic: Use Case Wiki
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-> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MMI/Use_Cases_Categorized Use Case wiki
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ddahl: Helena and Dirk met before?
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helena: no
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... Helena working on MMI discovery
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... now CTO of an enterprise company
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dirk: post-doc research on mmi an ubiquitous
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... also developed opensource voice system
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... trying to support more modalities for car infortainments
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... focused on speech
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ddahl: the other topic I wanted to talk was a CG on voice
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... use case and requirements for new voice applications
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... like virtual assistance
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... there should be newer standards
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... CGs give us opportunity to develop specifications thought they're not official W3C recommendations
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... put into a mission statement to launch the CG
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... not heavy IP for CG
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kaz: add some note on the IP things on CGs
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ddahl: would like to try new things like SLM
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... also probably some ideas on dialog management, e.g., user-initiated ones
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dirk: state-based dialog management, etc.
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... how that can be standardized
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ddahl: ok
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... let's go back to the Use Case discussion
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topic: Use Case Wiki
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-> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MMI/Use_Cases_Categorized Use Case wiki
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ddahl: would like to see Dirks comments
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... esp. the first two comments
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-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-multimodal/2015Jul/0009.html comment 1
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ddahl: regarding UC-7
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-> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MMI/Use_Cases_Categorized#UC-22_Smart_Hotel_Room UC-7
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-> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MMI/Use_Cases_Categorized#UC-7:_Multimodal_Appliances UC-7
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s|-> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MMI/Use_Cases_Categorized#UC-22_Smart_Hotel_Room UC-7||
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dirk: multimodal approach to control your home
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... we had SCXML runtime
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... interacting different standards for presentation
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... VoiceXML for speech
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... VML for avator
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... EMMA as data
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s/VML/BML/
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s/BML/BML (Behavior Markup Language)/
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... user can control device within home
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... this project has ended
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-> http://scxmlworkshop.de/eics2015/submissions/Multimodal%20Dialog%20Management%20in%20a%20Smart%20Home%20Context%20with%20SCXML.pdf Dirk's paper
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dirk: we use a lot of standards
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... only few developers who know all of them
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... how to discover devices and their capabilities
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... dynamically
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... coming from academic approach
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q+
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... we took some shortcuts
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ddahl: gap section
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... trying to sign-in
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... gap or general problems for developers
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(updating the wiki)
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ddahl: probably the discovery draft would handle the first question
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(updated the Gaps section of the UC-7)
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dirk: need more data
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... the user say "open the shutter"
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... and the system need to identify which shutter should be opened
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... upper Interaction Manager for MMI fusion
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... serious problem with tree structure
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ddahl: we never really clear about what the fusion engine would fit
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... some people mentioned we needed a separate fusion engine
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dirk: that's a possible opton
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s/opton/option/
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... if we have more complicated system, that would be tricky
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kaz: Prof. Araki and his Team had some idea about how to handle fusion/fission
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ddahl: yeah
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... also need for additional API or events for fusion/fission?
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dirk: we rely on a rule engine
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... therefore EMMA within data object was good
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... but maybe some dedicated fusion/fission tags could be added
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... we should look into fusion/fission capability
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+1
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q-
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ddahl: probably we need something more than traditional lifecycle events
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kaz: kind like "merge cells" and "split cells" for MS Excel :)
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dirk: fusion/fission needs context information
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... need some easier access mechanism
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... can handle it using extension event, though
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kaz: wanted to ask about what kind of extension was added to EMMA and MMI lifecycle events
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dirk: introduced additional component to the tree structure
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kaz: did you extend EMMA?
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dirk: no, EMMA was sufficient
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... just introduced compound XML forat
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s/forat/format/
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kaz: did you use additional events in addition to the usual MMI lifecycle events?
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dirk: no, data was bypassed
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... share the context
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s/share/to share/
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... extensionNotification was not very useful for our system
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kaz: ok
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... so we should think about that "bypass" mechanism too
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dirk: bypassing event chains
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ddahl: something like a "blackboard"?
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dirk: yes, kind of
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... context information could be shared using that mechanism
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ddahl: MCs can access the blackboard?
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dirk: no, only the fusion/fission manager can
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ddahl: like the terminology of "upper Interaction Manager"
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helena: control layer?
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... we need a high-level control layer
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... IM can't handle every aspect
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... the data component should provide contextual information
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dirk: data component within the MMI Architecture?
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ddahl: part of the IM?
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dirk: share the data to made it accessible by the upper IM
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helena: as a part of the control layer, you can store the data
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... you can put into the nested structure
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-> https://www.w3.org/TR/mmi-arch/#ArchDiagram Runtime architecture diagram
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ddahl: we're running out of time
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... great if Dirk can come back again
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kaz: yes
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dirk: ok
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... btw, there will be another SCXML Workshop in Brussels in 2 weeks
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... June 21
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... one-day workshop
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-> http://scxmlworkshop.de/eics2016/ SCXML Workshop site
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i/Actions/This week Dr. Dirk Schnelle-Walka from Harman International, Connected Car Division joined us to discuss MMI use cases./
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s/developed opensource voice system/developed open source VoiceXML system
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s/we never really clear/we were never really clear
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s/also need for/also was there a need for
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s/like the terminology of "upper Interaction Manager"/I like the terminology of "upper Interaction Manager"
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/06-multimodal-minutes.html ddahl
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s/the user say "open/the user says "open
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s/what the fusion engine would fit/where the fusion engine would fit
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