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13:50:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:50:57 <trackbot> Date: 02 June 2016
13:51:08 <allanj> chair: Jim and Andrew
13:51:23 <allanj> zakim, agenda?
13:51:23 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
13:51:38 <allanj> rrsagent, who is here?
13:51:38 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'who is here'
13:51:50 <allanj> zakim, who is here?
13:51:50 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
13:51:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, shawn, MichaelC, allanj, trackbot
13:52:23 <allanj> Agenda+ comments needed on github
13:52:24 <allanj> Agenda+ password fields https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/59
13:52:26 <allanj> Agenda+ italics, bold, underline #50 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/50
13:52:27 <allanj> Agenda+ 3.3.4 capitalization - orthography #65 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/65
13:52:29 <allanj> Agenda+ Editorial: Electronic vs Digital content #66 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/66
13:52:30 <allanj> Agenda+  Editorial: Language, Jargon #60 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/60
13:52:32 <allanj> Agenda+ Section 2.4 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/68
13:52:33 <allanj> Agenda+ Section 2.4.1 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/69
13:52:35 <allanj> Agenda+ Section 2.4.2 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/70
13:52:36 <allanj> Agenda+ Section 2.4.3 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/71
13:52:38 <allanj> Agenda+ Section 2.4.4 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/72
13:52:40 <allanj> Agenda+ Section 2.5: Functional Vision https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/73
13:52:41 <allanj> Agenda+ Disclaimer draft (action-58)
13:52:43 <allanj> Agenda+ User Access to Necessary Customization
13:52:44 <allanj> ​
14:34:49 <allanj> agenda?
14:35:24 <allanj> close item 9
14:54:26 <allanj> regrets: JohnR
14:54:33 <allanj> present+
14:54:44 <allanj> zakim, who is here?
14:54:44 <Zakim> Present: allanj
14:54:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, shawn, MichaelC, allanj, trackbot
15:03:09 <shawn> present+ Shawn
15:08:38 <laura> laura has joined #lvtf
15:13:31 <allanj> present+ andrew, laura
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15:16:38 <allanj> scribe: allanj
15:17:09 <allanj> sh: do proposed resolutions, then have folks vote on github
15:17:24 <allanj> laura: CfC?
15:18:18 <allanj> awk: no CfC in taskforce. too formal
15:22:04 <allanj> present+ wayne
15:22:18 <allanj> close item 1
15:22:38 <allanj> topic: Password fields
15:23:19 <shawn> take up agenda 2
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15:23:59 <shawn> https://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot
15:25:19 <shawn> here maybe https://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot#agenda
15:25:44 <shawn> zakim-rage
15:26:52 <allanj> Proposal
15:26:54 <allanj> User Need - Password: Users need to be able to see the entire password as text before it is submitted.
15:27:21 <allanj> sh: don't want a new need, can't we put it somewhere else
15:28:55 <allanj> verification of pw and number of characters is stressful, and time consuming
15:29:52 <allanj> lc: there is a toolbar with a setting to show passwords
15:30:45 <allanj> sh: can we squeeze it in somewhere?
15:31:01 <shawn> mabybe http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html#seeing-all-interface-elements
15:31:33 <allanj> ... edits pending to that section, to be broadened
15:32:02 <allanj> s/mabybe/maybe
15:32:19 <allanj> wd: very stressful,
15:32:34 <allanj> sh: propose putting in 3.7.1
15:32:44 <allanj> lc: +1
15:34:00 <allanj> awk: adding pw visibility to 3.7.1....seems weird
15:34:34 <allanj> wd: tentative +1
15:34:51 <allanj> ja: either 3.7.1 or create a new need
15:35:10 <allanj> awk: 3.3?
15:36:11 <allanj> wd: perhaps operation, high stakes. WCAG forms with legal consequences
15:36:59 <allanj> sh: if in 3.3 then will be a new need
15:38:07 <allanj> awk: will be lots of discussion about disproportionate impact on COGA or LV. but lots of people have issues with pw
15:38:53 <allanj> sh: agree, everybody has issues with pw. not quite threshold.
15:39:56 <allanj> sh: dots (masking) is the issue
15:40:53 <allanj> RESOLUTION: Shawn to write password visibility addition to 3.7.1
15:41:03 <allanj> close item
15:41:09 <allanj> zakim, close item
15:41:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', allanj
15:41:27 <allanj> zakim, next item
15:41:27 <Zakim> agendum 3. "italics, bold, underline #50 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/50" taken up [from allanj]
15:41:39 <shawn> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:41:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-lvtf-minutes.html shawn
15:41:50 <allanj> topic: italics, bold, underline #50
15:46:50 <allanj> this is a rewording of 3.3.3 and new intro for 3.5.1
15:48:55 <allanj> RESOLUTION: reword 3.3.3 and change intro for 3.5.1 per issue discussion
15:49:09 <allanj> zakim, close item 3
15:49:10 <Zakim> agendum 3, italics, bold, underline #50 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/50, closed
15:49:12 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:49:12 <Zakim> 4. 3.3.4 capitalization - orthography #65 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/65 [from allanj]
15:49:23 <allanj> zakim, open item 4
15:49:23 <Zakim> agendum 4. "3.3.4 capitalization - orthography #65 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/65" taken up [from allanj]
15:51:34 <allanj> action: jim to write COGA about orthgraphy
15:51:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Write coga about orthgraphy [on Jim Allan - due 2016-06-09].
15:51:52 <allanj> wd: need vs success critera
15:52:51 <allanj> sh: commenter - all nouns are capitaized, authors should do it right
15:53:24 <allanj> awk: english evolved. chances of enforcing "standard english"
15:55:05 <shawn> s/ all nouns are capitaized/ in German, all nouns are capitaized
15:55:35 <allanj> close item 4
15:55:51 <allanj> zakim, open item 5
15:55:51 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Editorial: Electronic vs Digital content #66 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/66" taken up [from allanj]
15:57:14 <allanj> RESOLUTION: current wording is fine, not changing
15:57:24 <allanj> close item 5
15:57:36 <allanj> zakim, open item 6
15:57:36 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Editorial: Language, Jargon #60 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/60" taken up [from allanj]
15:58:03 <shawn> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:58:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-lvtf-minutes.html shawn
15:59:22 <allanj> RESOLUTION: use shawn's comment
15:59:28 <allanj> close item 6
15:59:37 <allanj> open item 7
15:59:59 <allanj> zakim, open item 7
15:59:59 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Section 2.4 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/68" taken up [from allanj]
16:01:41 <allanj> sh: are light sensitivity and glare sensitivity different?
16:02:11 <allanj> ... is there a condition where glare is an issue but not light
16:02:30 <allanj> wd: cataracts, issues with ocular fluid
16:03:56 <allanj> sh: do we change title of 2.4.2 Light sensitivity to include Glare also?
16:04:01 <shawn> http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html#light-sensitivity
16:06:03 <allanj> action: shawn to write up bit on glare sensitivity to 2.4.2 with Jim (one or two sentences)
16:06:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Write up bit on glare sensitivity to 2.4.2 with jim (one or two sentences) [on Shawn Henry - due 2016-06-09].
16:06:42 <allanj> topic: visual clutter
16:06:55 <allanj> wd: background images
16:07:24 <allanj> sh: in same category of changing font size, background color, etc.
16:07:45 <allanj> wd: yes, same category, but need to specify background images
16:08:54 <allanj> sh: comment - visual clutter is environmental factor. shawn - not so much
16:09:20 <allanj> ... but visual clutter may be a user need. do we have visual clutter covered?
16:10:22 <allanj> action: wayne to review document for adequacy of "visual clutter" coverage and verbiage
16:10:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Review document for adequacy of "visual clutter" coverage and verbiage [on Wayne Dick - due 2016-06-09].
16:10:42 <allanj> wd: may need something on tracking and scanning
16:10:56 <allanj> sh: point 2 & 3 addressed.
16:11:46 <allanj> sh: point 1, wording issue
16:11:56 <allanj> ... proposed wording "This section briefly introduces types of visual impairment that impact web use, not including total blindness: Visual acuity (clarity), Light sensitivity, Contrast sensitivity, Field of vision, Color vision"
16:13:11 <allanj> +1
16:14:02 <allanj> changed "categories" in original to "types"
16:14:09 <laura> +1
16:14:29 <allanj> RESOLUTION: change wording for intro in section 2.4
16:14:41 <allanj> close item 7
16:14:50 <allanj> zakim, open item 8
16:14:50 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Section 2.4.1 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/69" taken up [from allanj]
16:17:15 <allanj> wd: concerned about functional vision when operating the web
16:17:52 <allanj> RESOLUTION: update document to reflect shawn's wording in the issue
16:19:26 <allanj> close item 8
16:19:35 <allanj> zakim, open item 10
16:19:35 <Zakim> agendum 10. "Section 2.4.3 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/71" taken up [from allanj]
16:20:30 <allanj> How about change the first sentence from:
16:20:32 <allanj>     Contrast sensitivity is the ability to distinguish bright and dim areas of images, for example, to discern text on a background.
16:20:33 <allanj> to:
16:20:35 <allanj>     Contrast sensitivity is the ability to detect differences in brightness between targets and their backgrounds, for example, to discern text from its background.
16:22:13 <allanj> wd: targets - poor word
16:22:27 <allanj> shawn: objects, better
16:23:24 <allanj> RESOLUTION: change to "Contrast sensitivity is the ability to detect differences in brightness between objects and their backgrounds, for example, to discern text from its background.
16:23:37 <allanj> close item 10
16:23:45 <allanj> zakim, open item 11
16:23:45 <Zakim> agendum 11. "Section 2.4.4 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/72" taken up [from allanj]
16:25:15 <allanj> awk: in item 10, point is not detect difference but to get the information
16:25:30 <allanj> sh: medical testing vs functioning
16:27:28 <allanj> awk: contrast sensitivity is the ability to detect difference in brightness in content
16:29:16 <allanj> sh: are we talking about adjacent information. link in text (distinguished by color), need to be able to tell the difference just by color/brightness
16:29:48 <allanj> lc: similar to pie charts (adjacent colors)
16:29:49 <AWK> ...to detect differences in content and interfaces, for example,...
16:30:31 <allanj> ja: pie charts - add texture or other feature for block of color
16:31:15 <allanj> sh: contrast sensitivity difference in luminance that makes an object distinguishable
16:31:36 <allanj> ... ability to detect difference in brightness.
16:31:55 <shawn> > Contrast sensitivity is the ability to detect differences in brightness, for example, to discern text from its background.
16:32:35 <laura> bye
16:32:46 <allanj> RESOLUTION: 2.4.3 change wording "Contrast sensitivity is the ability to detect differences in brightness, for example, to discern text from its background."
16:33:07 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
16:33:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
16:45:18 <allanj> trackbot, end meeting
16:45:18 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:45:18 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been allanj, Shawn, andrew, laura, wayne
16:45:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:45:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-lvtf-minutes.html trackbot
16:45:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:45:27 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-lvtf-actions.rdf :
16:45:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jim to write COGA about orthgraphy [1]
16:45:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-lvtf-irc#T15-51-34
16:45:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shawn to write up bit on glare sensitivity to 2.4.2 with Jim (one or two sentences) [2]
16:45:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-lvtf-irc#T16-06-03
16:45:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: wayne to review document for adequacy of "visual clutter" coverage and verbiage [3]
16:45:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-lvtf-irc#T16-10-22