15:38:42 RRSAgent has joined #apa 15:38:42 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/06/01-apa-irc 15:38:44 RRSAgent, make logs world 15:38:46 Zakim, this will be 15:38:46 I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 15:38:47 Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference 15:38:47 Date: 01 June 2016 15:38:53 agenda? 15:38:59 zakim, clear agenda 15:38:59 agenda cleared 15:39:03 agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes 15:39:03 agenda+ TPAC 2016 Planning [See Below] 15:39:03 agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 15:39:03 agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html 15:39:04 agenda+ RQTF Formation https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/work-statement 15:39:06 agenda+ Action-2023 Pointer Lock http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0033.html 15:39:09 agenda+ Action-2045 DOM Parsing & Serialization http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016May/0044.html 15:39:12 agenda+ CSS -- Updates and Next Steps 15:39:15 agenda+ Other Business 15:39:17 agenda+ next and future meetings 15:39:20 agenda+ be done 15:57:48 zakim, next item 15:57:48 agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina] 15:57:53 present+ Janina 15:57:56 Chair: Janina 16:00:11 JF has joined #apa 16:01:09 LJWatson has joined #apa 16:01:25 fesch has joined #apa 16:01:28 present+ LJWatson 16:01:47 present+ fesch 16:02:24 Present+ JF 16:02:48 present+ ShaneM 16:04:08 present+ MichaelC 16:04:15 zakim, pick a victim 16:04:15 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Janina 16:04:25 zakim, pick a victim 16:04:25 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose fesch 16:04:49 scribe: JF 16:04:53 agenda? 16:05:10 Zakim, take up item 1 16:05:10 agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina] 16:06:23 JF: congrats to leonie for being elected to the AB 16:06:42 zakim, take up next ite,m 16:06:42 I don't understand 'take up next ite,m', JF 16:06:51 zakim, take up next item 16:06:51 agendum 2. "TPAC 2016 Planning" taken up [from See Below] 16:07:32 JS: hotel rooms seem to still be available, but book sooner rather than later 16:07:38 zalim, take up next ite,m 16:07:47 zakim, take up next item 16:07:47 agendum 2 was just opened, JF 16:07:54 zakim, close item 2 16:07:54 agendum 2, TPAC 2016 Planning, closed 16:07:55 I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:07:55 3. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [from janina] 16:08:01 zakim, take up next item 16:08:01 agendum 3. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina] 16:08:20 action-2049 due 1 week 16:08:20 Set action-2049 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ media capture and streams due date to 2016-06-08. 16:08:21 ACTION 2049 16:09:05 action-2044 16:09:05 action-2044 -- Léonie Watson to Review dom parsing and serialization https://www.w3.org/tr/dom-parsing/ -- due 2016-05-25 -- OPEN 16:09:05 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2044 16:09:38 action-2043 16:09:38 action-2043 -- Cynthia Shelly to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 -- due 2016-06-01 -- OPEN 16:09:38 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2043 16:09:51 action-2043 due 1 week 16:09:51 Set action-2043 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 due date to 2016-06-08. 16:09:58 action-2042 16:09:58 action-2042 -- Fred Esch to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 -- due 2016-06-01 -- OPEN 16:09:58 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2042 16:10:08 action-2041 16:10:08 action-2041 -- Léonie Watson to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 -- due 2016-06-01 -- OPEN 16:10:08 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2041 16:10:10 action-2042 due 1 week 16:10:10 Set action-2042 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 due date to 2016-06-08. 16:10:12 action-2041 due 1 week 16:10:12 Set action-2041 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 due date to 2016-06-08. 16:10:24 FE: this is going to have the same problem as other layout issues 16:11:04 LJW: we decided to treat all CSS modules collectively 16:11:27 MC: the CSS category page (in the wiki) has a note about this 16:11:42 MC: should we close these actios and migrate to that group? 16:11:53 JS: key is to generate the list of specific modules 16:12:00 JS: think that was on Cyns 16:12:15 we likely will need/want that the next time we meet with the CSS WG 16:12:35 the issues we are seeing cut across multiple specs - it's not just the flex-box spec 16:13:00 MC: will not this in the wiki, and close the 3 actions. Will need to triage that going forward 16:13:21 Cyns: will work on that list shortly, and deliver soon 16:13:23 close action-2041 16:13:23 Closed action-2041. 16:13:27 close action-2042 16:13:27 Closed action-2042. 16:13:31 close action-20143 16:13:31 Closed action-20143. 16:13:35 close action-2043 16:13:35 Closed action-2043. 16:14:22 JS: should also add the stub to the CSS AAM on the agenda page/emails 16:14:34 action-2033 16:14:34 action-2033 -- Shane McCarron to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/tracking-compliance/ tracking compliance and scope -- due 2016-05-11 -- OPEN 16:14:34 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2033 16:14:47 action-2033 due 1 week 16:14:47 Set action-2033 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/tracking-compliance/ tracking compliance and scope due date to 2016-06-08. 16:14:55 action-2011 16:14:55 action-2011 -- Janina Sajka to Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified -- due 2016-06-01 -- OPEN 16:14:55 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2011 16:15:20 action-2011 due 1 week 16:15:20 Set action-2011 Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified due date to 2016-06-08. 16:15:21 JS: still waiting for Michiel for some code sample stuff 16:15:34 LJW: please copy me when you ping Michiel 16:15:45 action-1750 16:15:45 action-1750 -- Cynthia Shelly to Review ui events -- due 2016-06-01 -- OPEN 16:15:45 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/1750 16:16:04 action-1750 due 1 week 16:16:04 Set action-1750 Review ui events due date to 2016-06-08. 16:16:06 Cyns: meeting scheduled with Travis later this week with feedback - hope to resolve within the week 16:16:49 JS: didn't take a formal action to review the alt text advice - appears to be a clear improvement over 5.0 16:17:14 JS: may need/want to do a more detailed review now that dPub is in 16:17:36 zakim, take up next item 16:17:36 agendum 4. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina] 16:17:41 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/ Activity Streams 2.0 16:18:27 MC: assuming we are not interested? 16:18:40 MC: "activity" seems very RDF-ish 16:19:44 SM: was not aware of this - will go investigate, but not relevant to this WG 16:20:24 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/ Activity Vocabulary 16:21:11 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/audio-output/ Audio Output Devices API 16:21:42 JS: will take this and review. I care about this one a lot 16:21:46 action: Janina to review https://www.w3.org/TR/audio-output/ Audio Output Devices API 16:21:46 Created ACTION-2050 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/audio-output/ audio output devices api [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-06-08]. 16:22:16 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-overflow-3/ CSS Overflow Module Level 3 16:22:37 FE: can give that to me, doubt there is anything but I will review 16:22:41 action: esch to review https://www.w3.org/TR/css-overflow-3/ CSS Overflow Module Level 3 16:22:42 Created ACTION-2051 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-overflow-3/ css overflow module level 3 [on Fred Esch - due 2016-06-08]. 16:23:07 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/image-capture/ MediaStream Image Capture 16:23:55 JS: we can likely skip this 16:23:58 JF: tend to agree 16:24:15 MC: what we do with the resulting iimage is likely more in scope 16:24:28 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-ssn/ Semantic Sensor Network Ontology 16:25:52 cyns has joined #apa 16:26:18 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/shadow-dom/ Shadow DOM 16:27:13 LJW: there are some accessibility implications on that - I've been watching it and so has Dylan B at Deque 16:27:28 believe it is worth monitoring 16:27:37 JS: what is the current status? 16:27:41 MC: this is a draft 16:28:01 LJW: still going through working draft - no timetable to move to CR 16:28:19 Cyns: can look at this but will need some time 16:28:34 SM: I don't have issues on this type of spec 16:28:56 LJW: yes, aware of this "problem" and therer is an effort to de-tangle that 16:29:15 JS: suggest we put this on a defered/watch list 16:29:18 action: cynthia to review https://www.w3.org/TR/shadow-dom/ Shadow DOM - due 1 Sep 16:29:18 Created ACTION-2052 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/ shadow dom [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2016-09-01]. 16:29:24 CYNS: give to me with a late September due date 16:29:49 action-2052 due 31 Aug 16:29:50 Set action-2052 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/ shadow dom due date to 2016-08-31. 16:31:02 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/webauthn/ Web Authentication: A Web API for accessing scoped credentials 16:31:19 JF: sounds like a web payments thing 16:31:26 SM: it is NOT a web payments thing 16:32:07 ack left, 16:32:22 Q? 16:32:38 ack left, hand, neet, right 16:32:42 Q? 16:33:11 discussion around this - appears to be a duplication of effort 16:33:39 Q? 16:33:43 q- l 16:33:45 q- h 16:33:46 q- n 16:33:47 q- r 16:34:08 MC: Shane is going to look at this 16:34:18 SM: yes, this is very important - a11y issues can be huge 16:34:44 action: Shane to review https://www.w3.org/TR/webauthn/ Web Authentication: A Web API for accessing scoped credentials 16:34:44 Created ACTION-2053 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ web authentication: a web api for accessing scoped credentials [on Shane McCarron - due 2016-06-08]. 16:35:12 zakim, take up next item 16:35:12 agendum 5. "RQTF Formation https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/work-statement" taken up [from janina] 16:35:29 JS: touched on this a bit last week, some editorial work has continued since then 16:36:31 JW: some work has started, but not anticipating any comments before a CfC shold happen 16:37:26 [people go off and read this] 16:37:42 JS: any objection to moving this to a CfC? 16:37:57 FE: what is HCI? 16:38:11 JF: Human Computer Interface 16:38:35 +0 - don't mind 16:38:42 JS: we should be consistent with acronyms 16:38:50 JW: can make that editorial change 16:38:57 +1 to moving forward 16:39:50 RESOLUTION: Issue CfC RQTF Work Statement 16:40:15 zakim, take up next item 16:40:15 agendum 7. "Action-2045 DOM Parsing & Serialization http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016May/0044.html" taken up [from janina] 16:41:35 provides methods on how to modify the DOM after it is loaded 16:41:57 there is one method, "insert adjacent HTML" which allows HTML to be injected into the DOm after the page is loaded 16:42:15 but we have an issue with CSS injecting something into the DOM - this may be related 16:42:34 s/provides methods/FE: provides methods 16:42:53 LJW: my understanding that CSS doesn't inject into the DOM 16:43:10 JS: this may not be the CSS problem then, but it still may be an issue 16:43:39 FE: wondering if this technique has an issue 16:43:57 LJW: discussed with others, and as far as she knows this is pretty straight-forward 16:44:11 it is simple DOM injection, and it updates the DOM on trigger 16:44:30 CYNS: this is an older technique and we recommend it 16:44:42 FE: sounds like many feel this is not a concern 16:44:47 JS: seems to be... 16:44:48 rrsagent, make minutes 16:44:48 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/01-apa-minutes.html MichaelC 16:45:22 FE: this was my only concern, but it sounds like it isn't 16:45:51 close action-2044 16:45:51 Closed action-2044. 16:45:53 close action-2045 16:45:53 Closed action-2045. 16:46:05 zakim, take up next item 16:46:06 agendum 8. "CSS -- Updates and Next Steps" taken up [from janina] 16:46:17 agenda? 16:46:50 TOPIC: Pointer Lock 16:47:15 action-2023 16:47:15 action-2023 -- Léonie Watson to John to ask Aaron for input on Pointer Lock https://www.w3.org/TR/pointerlock/ -- due 2016-05-18 -- CLOSED 16:47:15 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2023 16:48:08 LJW: filed one issue against Pointer Lock spec 16:48:24 based on first feedback from AiS 16:48:41 LJW: found it difficult to create as issues to file against the spec 16:49:30 JF: Leonie and I should work off-line to continue working with AiSquared 16:50:08 JF: will target update for next week 16:50:16 zakim, take up item8 16:50:16 agendum 8. "CSS -- Updates and Next Steps" taken up [from janina] 16:50:19 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016May/0058.html 16:50:44 transission request 16:51:10 MichaelC has joined #apa 16:51:18 want to clarify that we do not object to the publish, but requesting an updated CR and extension of time 16:51:42 JS: also to note that the accessibility work was work-in-progress but NOT completed 16:52:20 also to note that there is an express and explicit dependency on us 16:52:32 need to coordinate a TF 16:53:27 JS: think next step is to draft wrk statement 16:53:30 CYNS: agreed 16:53:44 MC: still need to get this statement written up 16:53:57 JS: target to have this by next week? 16:54:04 MC: hope so, but... 16:54:27 CYNS: may not be here next week... 16:55:24 JS: seems that's it then 16:55:30 thanks all - meeting adjorned 16:55:42 RRSAgent, make logs public 16:55:51 trackbot, end meeting 16:55:51 Zakim, list attendees 16:55:51 As of this point the attendees have been JF, Janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, LJWatson, MichielBijl, fesch, MichaelC, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Judy, Shadi, Jason_White, ShaneM 16:55:59 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 16:55:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/01-apa-minutes.html trackbot 16:56:00 RRSAgent, bye 16:56:00 I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/01-apa-actions.rdf : 16:56:00 ACTION: Janina to review https://www.w3.org/TR/audio-output/ Audio Output Devices API [1] 16:56:00 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/01-apa-irc#T16-21-46 16:56:00 ACTION: esch to review https://www.w3.org/TR/css-overflow-3/ CSS Overflow Module Level 3 [2] 16:56:00 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/01-apa-irc#T16-22-41 16:56:00 ACTION: cynthia to review https://www.w3.org/TR/shadow-dom/ Shadow DOM - due 1 Sep [3] 16:56:00 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/01-apa-irc#T16-29-18 16:56:00 ACTION: Shane to review https://www.w3.org/TR/webauthn/ Web Authentication: A Web API for accessing scoped credentials [4] 16:56:00 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/01-apa-irc#T16-34-44