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14:52:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:52:45 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:52:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:52:46 <trackbot> Date: 26 May 2016
14:55:01 <shawn-off> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:55:01 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
14:55:06 <shawn-off> shawn-off has changed the topic to: 
14:55:53 <shawn-off> shawn-off has changed the topic to: LVTF - Remember to update your availability (instead of regrets) https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/81151/LVTF-telecons/   Thanks
14:56:28 <allanj> chair: Jim
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15:00:12 <shawn-off> present+ Shawn, Jim, JohnRochford
15:00:30 <allanj> Agenda+ Page Regions #64
15:00:32 <allanj> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/64
15:00:33 <allanj> Agenda+ Photos #63
15:00:35 <allanj> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/63
15:00:36 <allanj> Agenda+ Section 2.1 : Definition of low vision #62
15:00:38 <allanj> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/62
15:00:39 <allanj> Agenda+ Password Fields #59
15:00:41 <allanj> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/59
15:01:22 <shawn-off> agenda 1=Page Regions #64 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/64
15:01:59 <shawn-off> agenda 2=Photos #63 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/63
15:02:25 <shawn-off> agenda 3=Section 2.1 : Definition of low vision #62 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/62
15:02:41 <shawn-off> agenda 4=Password Fields #59 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/59
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15:05:05 <shawn-off> agenda+ TPAC
15:05:26 <shawn-off> present+ Laura, Wayne
15:07:17 <shawn-off> present+ Scott
15:08:30 <laura> Scribe: Laura
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15:09:24 <ScottM> hola!
15:09:50 <allanj> topic: TPAC
15:09:57 <Wayne> Wayne has joined #lvtf
15:10:07 <shawn-off> zakim, take up agenda 5
15:10:07 <Zakim> agendum 5. "TPAC" taken up [from shawn-off]
15:10:12 <laura> Who is going to TPAC?
15:10:14 <ScottM> Not I
15:10:20 <shawn-off> [ Shawn probably not going]
15:10:27 <laura> Wayne: not sure
15:10:29 <allanj> mot me
15:10:34 <laura> Not laura
15:10:47 <laura> John is going.
15:11:01 <allanj> close item 5
15:11:25 <allanj> topic: Coordination with other TF and WCAG
15:11:28 <shawn-off> John can carry the torch for us - tell everyone about what we're doing, etc.
15:12:24 <laura> Jim: Just got off a TF coordination meeting.
15:13:20 <laura> … if we have qustions for WCAG. They are working on WCAG requirements.
15:13:57 <laura> …possibility of joint SC with other TFs.
15:14:46 <laura> …Joint meeting will be on a monthly basis
15:14:53 <ScottM> Jon A is on the Mobile Task Force, he could coordinate for us right?
15:15:29 <laura> …Yes Jon A is on Mobile
15:15:45 <allanj> agenda?
15:16:32 <laura> Sott: will be over lap with other TFs
15:17:10 <laura> Jim: we have some issues to go through
15:17:46 <laura> …we did the gap analysis is 3 weeks. Congrats all.
15:18:05 <laura> Is a heat beat do?
15:18:47 <laura> Shawn: no. Should decide what to do with the gap doc.
15:19:02 <laura> Jim: Pretty it up?
15:19:23 <laura> Shawn: yes we can. But not a TR page.
15:20:23 <laura> wayne: we should have is as our guidance for SCs
15:20:30 <shawn-off> s/Is a heat beat do?/Is a heart beat publication due?
15:21:30 <laura> wayne: maybe some prose before and after the table.
15:21:48 <laura> wayne: Should but in on our home page.
15:22:36 <laura> Shawn: wait a bit until it is more stable before moving it.
15:22:48 <laura> Zakim, take up item 1
15:22:48 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Page Regions #64 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/64" taken up
15:23:09 <allanj> Topic: issue-64 page regions
15:26:17 <allanj> delta of change in colors brightness.
15:27:26 <laura> Scott: long tradition of different color changes of regions. How do we handle it?
15:27:27 <allanj> different regions of page having different colors/brightness, when using high contrast...suddenly the brightness changes
15:28:17 <laura> Shawn: public comment encourages it.
15:28:51 <laura> …from user needs prospective how do we address it?
15:28:58 <allanj> shawn: public comment talks about need for functional sections of page to have different colors
15:28:59 <laura> AWK: not sure we can.
15:29:05 <shawn-off> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:29:05 <Zakim> Present: Shawn, Jim, JohnRochford, Laura, Wayne, Scott
15:29:14 <shawn-off> present+ AWK
15:29:44 <Wayne> q+
15:30:02 <laura> AWK:  Users need to be abe to change things.
15:30:25 <JohnRochford> q+
15:30:31 <laura> AWK: what is being asked for falls in the usability bucket.
15:30:40 <ScottM> q+
15:30:51 <laura> wayne: might want to table this.
15:30:54 <shawn-off> ack w
15:31:09 <laura> …we have to state the user needs.
15:31:42 <laura> …an image would be hard to adjust.
15:32:08 <allanj> wd: element level control of brightness is a need
15:32:31 <laura> wayne:  localized element control is not outside the realm.
15:33:09 <laura> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2016May/0032.html
15:33:47 <laura> … contrast is functionally determined by color.
15:36:39 <laura> JR: We should have a disclaimer regarding personalization.
15:36:55 <Wayne> q+
15:37:10 <laura> …how should we approach it?
15:37:21 <allanj> ack jo
15:37:28 <allanj> ack sco
15:37:52 <laura> Scott: Let's try to be as simple and agnostic as we can.
15:39:06 <laura> …colors needed to be disguisable for adjoining regions.
15:40:45 <allanj> ack way
15:41:06 <JohnRochford> Ellaboration: If we agree that personalization will always address user needs, use cases, and recommendations, then how do we suggest it be implemented (GPII? built-into web sites?)?
15:41:26 <shawn-off> q+ to say what do we want/need for the *User Need* for this issue
15:41:44 <laura> wayne: users are not going to write their own style sheets.
15:42:19 <shawn-off> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:42:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/26-lvtf-minutes.html shawn-off
15:42:29 <shawn-off> ack me
15:42:29 <Zakim> shawn-off, you wanted to say what do we want/need for the *User Need* for this issue
15:42:31 <laura> …pros and AT style sheets is what we should aim at.
15:43:47 <laura> jim: do we craft a new user need or is it covered or do we adjust something we have?
15:44:57 <allanj> laura: we had something on adjacent colors on charts
15:45:24 <laura> wayne: would like to table it for a week.
15:45:45 <shawn-off> ACTION: Shawn and Wayne work on https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/64
15:45:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-57 - And wayne work on https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/64 [on Shawn Henry - due 2016-06-02].
15:46:17 <allanj> related to: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2016May/0032.html
15:46:30 <laura> Zakim, take up item 2
15:46:30 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Photos #63 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/63" taken up
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15:47:30 <allanj> topic: Photos Issue-63
15:47:58 <laura> Jim: comment on photos.”Is there a reason, why you don’t mention recommendations for the design of Photos? For diagrams and similar graphics you can apply many of the themes relevant for text (font, contrast, …)"
15:48:46 <allanj> laura: could have different resolution images
15:49:35 <allanj> wd: hard to control images.
15:49:54 <allanj> sm: hires images are hard on mobile
15:51:35 <allanj> perhaps there is a need for multiple resolutions for photos
15:52:30 <laura> AWK: we run into problems with rasterized images. Agree in principle. But is a problem.
15:52:54 <allanj> awk: agree in principle that content should be clear.
15:53:30 <allanj> @@ jim track down the adjacent color in charts diagrams
15:55:55 <allanj> shawn: get important information from image includes photos (need to day)
15:56:21 <allanj> sh: is framing images is out of scope
15:56:21 <laura> Shawn: could include the user need with the images section.
15:56:47 <shawn-off> related to https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/track/actions/43
15:57:14 <allanj> laura: requirements about framing, composition of photos is art direction
15:58:04 <allanj> sh: user need is that users can get information from images and photos.
15:59:30 <allanj> RESOLUTION: User need: users can get information from images, including photos
15:59:39 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
15:59:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/26-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
15:59:42 <laura> RESOLUTION: : User need: users can get information from images, including photos
15:59:47 <Wayne>  /me Shawn, please email me with the address you want to use. The w3.org was bounced back.
15:59:51 <JohnRochford> +1 with ellaboration
16:00:14 <laura> +1
16:00:28 <shawn-off> +1 to add to the existing user need
16:01:00 <AWK> s/ \/me Shawn, please email me with the address you want to use. The w3.org was bounced back./
16:01:01 <allanj> could add info about adjacent colors in charts, etc.
16:01:33 <allanj> zakim, next item
16:01:33 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Page Regions #64 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/64" taken up
16:01:40 <allanj> close item 1
16:01:57 <allanj> open item 3
16:02:12 <laura> Zakim, next item
16:02:12 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, laura
16:03:07 <laura> Shawn: let’s reread  https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/62
16:03:20 <laura> …2 comments
16:03:35 <laura> 1) Need more precise definition of low vision.
16:03:52 <laura> 2) Suggestion to change last phrase.
16:04:17 <laura> shawn…will add
16:04:35 <shawn-off> section in question: http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html#scope-of-low-vision
16:04:53 <shawn-off> s/shawn…will add/
16:05:18 <JohnRochford> From the NIH: Low Vision is defined as the best-corrected visual acuity less than 6/12 (‹20/40) in the better-seeing eye (excluding those who were categorized as being blind by the U.S. definition.)
16:05:57 <JohnRochford> See https://nei.nih.gov/eyedata/lowvision
16:08:02 <laura> Jim: something is lost in translation.
16:08:53 <allanj> want to see all displayed information not just user interfaces
16:11:18 <allanj> see information on device displays
16:11:25 <laura> shawn: need to consider scope.
16:11:36 <shawn-off> ... and impairments that are often categorized as legally blind yet people have sufficient vision to see information in some situations.”
16:12:10 <laura> JR: Seems to be US centric.
16:13:19 <laura> Shawn: we just need to tweak the end of one sentence.
16:14:04 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
16:14:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/26-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
16:16:00 <laura> Jim: may be best  to take off line.
16:16:37 <laura> wayne: could take an action
16:16:45 <shawn-off> q+ to say not sure we want to "define" in this document. We can add references <https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/References>
16:16:59 <shawn-off> ack me
16:16:59 <Zakim> shawn-off, you wanted to say not sure we want to "define" in this document. We can add references <https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/References>
16:18:03 <laura> Shawn: we are not attempting to define anything in this doc.
16:18:09 <allanj> perhaps instead of definition we use 'conceptual frame'
16:18:25 <laura> Jim: maybe we need a disclaimer.
16:19:08 <laura> …terms are localized.
16:19:45 <laura> …seems like it should be part of the intro.
16:20:02 <allanj> action: jim to write disclaimer (last para of intro) that we are general
16:20:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-58 - Write disclaimer (last para of intro) that we are general [on Jim Allan - due 2016-06-02].
16:20:37 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
16:20:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/26-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
16:21:18 <laura> Zakim, next item
16:21:18 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Password Fields #59 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/59" taken up
16:21:36 <allanj> topic: password fields issue 59
16:22:36 <laura> Jim: COGA had a paper on  Passwords.
16:22:46 <laura> …do we have a user need?
16:23:52 <ScottM> the conference call is breaking down for me I can't understand
16:24:04 <shawn-off> s/the conference call is breaking down for me I can't understand/ /
16:24:13 <laura> audio is breaking up
16:24:21 <shawn-off> s/audio is breaking up/
16:24:35 <laura> jim: let’s stop here.
16:26:03 <laura> rrsagent, make minutes
16:26:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/26-lvtf-minutes.html laura
16:27:43 <allanj> zakim, please part
16:27:43 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Shawn, Jim, JohnRochford, Laura, Wayne, Scott, AWK
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16:27:52 <laura>  trackbot, end meeting
16:27:52 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:28:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:28:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/26-lvtf-minutes.html trackbot
16:28:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:28:01 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/26-lvtf-actions.rdf :
16:28:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shawn and Wayne work on https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/64 [1]
16:28:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/26-lvtf-irc#T15-45-45
16:28:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jim to write disclaimer (last para of intro) that we are general [2]
16:28:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/26-lvtf-irc#T16-20-02