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18:55:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:55:20 <trackbot> Date: 24 May 2016
18:55:31 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:55:51 <clown> agenda: this
18:55:58 <clown> agenda+ Administration (All) What is new from ARIA meetings that needs addressing here.
18:56:05 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-2054/ISSUE-1025 (Rich) Coordinate mappings for new enumerated values of aria-haspopup.
18:56:11 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1409 (Joanie) Periodic checkin: Add group position interface to ATK/AT-SPI.
18:56:32 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-980/ISSUE-706 (Cynthia) Section on AAPI managed states.
18:56:41 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1533 (Joanie) Investigate/create minimal javascript at-spi2 listener for automating 1.1 tests.
18:56:47 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1373 (Cynthia) Test case for aria-posinset/aria-setsize when not explicitly set.
18:56:54 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-1026 (All) aria-errormessage mappings.
18:57:26 <clown> agenda+ Triage actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
18:57:33 <clown> agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:57:39 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:57:46 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
18:57:53 <clown> agenda+ be done.
18:59:16 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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19:00:28 <Rich> we meeting today?
19:00:49 <joanie> scribe: joanie
19:00:58 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:00:59 <joanie> s/we meeting today?//
19:04:59 <clown> present+ Bryan_Garaventa
19:05:57 <joanie> present+ Cynthia_Shelly
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19:08:52 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 1
19:08:52 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Administration (All) What is new from ARIA meetings that needs addressing here." taken up [from clown]
19:09:14 <joanie> JS: I'm just back from vacation.
19:09:21 <joanie> JS: Anything I should know about?
19:09:31 <joanie> JS: That impact accessibility mappings.
19:09:36 <joanie> CS: Trying to get to CR in June.
19:09:53 <joanie> JS: Yes. But the Core AAM is not going to make it to CR in June.
19:10:00 <joanie> JS: We'll be playing catch-up.
19:10:10 <joanie> JS: But hopefully the ARIA spec will be in shape by then.
19:10:19 <joanie> CS: And we'll also be tesing then.
19:12:24 <joanie> JD: (Reviews commit list to ARIA spec and mentions several item.)
19:13:34 <joanie> JS: I'm still catching up on the lists. So I'll find out more as I go along.
19:13:38 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:13:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ACTION-2054/ISSUE-1025 (Rich) Coordinate mappings for new enumerated values of aria-haspopup." taken up [from clown]
19:13:59 <joanie> JS: Rich isn't here yet.
19:14:11 <joanie> JS: Unless someone has updates, let's continue.
19:14:29 <Rich> RS: I have all but Apple
19:14:51 <Rich> RS: Recommend putting in my drop and have Joanie add the apple piece
19:15:59 <clown> action-2054
19:15:59 <trackbot> action-2054 -- Matthew King to Expand aria-haspopup to support a token list of values -- due 2016-04-28 -- CLOSED
19:15:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2054
19:16:18 <clown> issue-1025
19:16:18 <trackbot> issue-1025 -- Drive mappings of the new enumerated type values for aria-haspopup -- open
19:16:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1025
19:16:41 <clown> action-2056
19:16:41 <trackbot> action-2056 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Coordinate the mappings for the various AAPIs of the enumerated aria-haspopup values -- due 2016-05-17 -- OPEN
19:16:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2056
19:17:09 <joanie> JS: I have a note in Rich's action that he needs to modify the error section of the Core AAM.
19:18:01 <joanie> RS: I have everything done except for Apple.
19:18:13 <joanie> RS: Joanie was going to work on the implementation.
19:18:35 <joanie> RS: So we could merge in my changes.
19:19:27 <Rich> https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/action2056
19:19:28 <joanie> JS + RS: (Discuss how to do the actual merge)
19:20:35 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2056/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_state-property_table
19:20:54 <joanie> JS: The above URL gets you close to where the changes are.
19:21:03 <joanie> JS: Do we want separate entries for these?
19:21:24 <joanie> RS: I think so. It's consistent with what we've done for smiliar items.
19:21:28 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2056/core-aam/core-aam.html#document-handling_author-errors
19:21:33 <joanie> RS: The only thing I do not have is AXAPI.
19:22:08 <joanie> JD: Making the changes in WebKit is on my to-do list.
19:23:47 <clown> action-2056?
19:23:47 <trackbot> action-2056 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Coordinate the mappings for the various AAPIs of the enumerated aria-haspopup values -- due 2016-05-17 -- OPEN
19:23:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2056
19:24:25 <joanie> RS: I'll update the action and assign it to Joanie.
19:25:08 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2056/core-aam/core-aam.html#document-handling_author-errors
19:25:16 <joanie> JS: Rich, where did you change the errors?
19:25:25 <joanie> JS: The above URL is where I'm looking.
19:25:37 <joanie> RS: It had to do with default states.
19:26:17 <joanie> RS: If you go down to the table under "author errors".
19:26:31 <joanie> RS: (Reads from text)
19:26:43 <joanie> JS: I only see it on menu item.
19:26:51 <joanie> RS: It's on combobox as well.
19:27:04 <joanie> RS: Those are the only two that have to have them.
19:27:10 <joanie> RS: The default is listbox.
19:27:17 <joanie> JS: I will try to merge it in soon.
19:28:06 <joanie> Topic: UIA Range Pattern
19:28:29 <joanie> RS: Cynthia, range-related roles have a role mapping, but not a pattern.
19:28:44 <joanie> CS: If you give me an action, I'll add it.
19:28:54 <clown> action:  Cynthia to add UIA Range Value Pattern to the range related roles in the role mapping table (e.g., slider).
19:28:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2070 - Add uia range value pattern to the range related roles in the role mapping table (e.g., slider). [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2016-05-31].
19:29:00 <clown> action-2070
19:29:01 <trackbot> action-2070 -- Cynthia Shelly to Add uia range value pattern to the range related roles in the role mapping table (e.g., slider). -- due 2016-05-31 -- OPEN
19:29:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2070
19:29:26 <joanie> JS: Due date?
19:29:43 <joanie> CS: Rich, when do you need it?
19:29:52 <joanie> RS: I'm just trying to lock the ARIA spec down.
19:29:57 <joanie> CS: July 1st.
19:30:29 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:30:29 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ACTION-1409 (Joanie) Periodic checkin: Add group position interface to ATK/AT-SPI." taken up [from clown]
19:30:36 <joanie> JD: Still on hold.
19:30:38 <clown> action-1409?
19:30:38 <trackbot> action-1409 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Monitor progress of bug against atk in gnome's bugzilla requesting new position, level, and other api be added (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727453) -- due 2016-04-07 -- OPEN
19:30:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1409
19:31:08 <joanie> JS: As I recall, you want this brought up each week.
19:31:21 <joanie> JD: Yes please. Poke me until I do it.
19:31:24 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:31:24 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, joanie
19:31:30 <joanie> Zakim, close this item
19:31:30 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
19:31:31 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:31:31 <Zakim> 4. ACTION-980/ISSUE-706 (Cynthia) Section on AAPI managed states. [from clown]
19:31:32 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:31:33 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ACTION-980/ISSUE-706 (Cynthia) Section on AAPI managed states." taken up [from clown]
19:31:40 <clown> action-980?
19:31:40 <trackbot> action-980 -- Cynthia Shelly to Describe/define managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset, aria-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5 bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2016-05-24 -- OPEN
19:31:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/980
19:31:53 <joanie> JS: This is the section on ARIA managed states.
19:31:59 <joanie> CS: I've not yet gotten to this.
19:32:21 <joanie> CS: Give me two weeks.
19:32:33 <joanie> JS: 7th of June.
19:32:37 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:32:37 <Zakim> agendum 5. "ACTION-1533 (Joanie) Investigate/create minimal javascript at-spi2 listener for automating 1.1 tests." taken up [from clown]
19:32:44 <clown> action-1533?
19:32:44 <trackbot> action-1533 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate and possibly create a minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener with the aim of automating the 1.1 tests. -- due 2016-05-24 -- OPEN
19:32:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1533
19:32:54 <joanie> JS: We dealt with this last meeting.
19:33:00 <joanie> JS: But it's due today.
19:33:38 <joanie> JD: This is part of the automated testing stuff we're working on.
19:34:13 <joanie> JD: Please poke me in a week.
19:34:19 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:34:19 <Zakim> agendum 6. "ACTION-1373 (Cynthia) Test case for aria-posinset/aria-setsize when not explicitly set." taken up [from clown]
19:34:24 <clown> action-1373?
19:34:24 <trackbot> action-1373 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements. -- due 2016-05-19 -- OPEN
19:34:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1373
19:34:38 <joanie> JS: This one is Cynthia's action to create a test case.
19:34:50 <joanie> JS: Before we were waiting on the ability to add test cases to the test harness.
19:34:57 <joanie> JS: I think that's in place now.
19:35:07 <joanie> CS: I'm working through the HTML AAM mappings now.
19:35:14 <joanie> CS: Then I'll be on the Core AAM.
19:35:20 <joanie> CS: Please give me three weeks.
19:35:25 <joanie> Zakim, next item.
19:35:25 <Zakim> agendum 7. "ISSUE-1026 (All) aria-errormessage mappings." taken up [from clown]
19:35:32 <clown> issue-1026?
19:35:32 <trackbot> issue-1026 -- AAPI mappings for aria-errormessage -- open
19:35:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1026
19:35:41 <joanie> JS: How is this going?
19:35:54 <joanie> JS: I have actions on Joanmarie, Alex, and James Craig.
19:35:59 <joanie> JS: They were due a while ago.
19:36:55 <joanie> JD: (Summarizes the status being stalled and James Teh having objections)
19:37:42 <joanie> JS: Joanie had originally proposed to make a description (via relationship).
19:37:58 <joanie> JS: Because relations can have multiple targets.
19:38:07 <joanie> RS: How do you tell which is the error?
19:38:11 <joanie> JD: Object attribute.
19:38:24 <joanie> RS: You could map it that way.
19:38:41 <joanie> JS: But James Teh didn't like that either.
19:38:41 <clown> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2016-February/002010.html
19:40:11 <clown> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2016-February/002013.html
19:41:04 <clown> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2016-March/002027.html
19:41:36 <joanie> JS: Reading from the above emails.
19:42:28 <joanie> JS: The thread starts in February, continues in March, and goes into April.
19:42:36 <clown> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2016-April/002030.html
19:42:48 <joanie> JS: I believe the above is the latest from James Teh.
19:43:28 <joanie> RS: I don't know what it means to merge it into a description (quoting James' comment).
19:45:44 <clown> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2016-April/002030.html
19:45:46 <joanie> JD: I don't care much for what the mapping is, and James feels strongly.
19:46:12 <joanie> JD: Given the apparent desire to have IA2 and ATK to remain as parallel as possible, I will defer to James' preferred mapping.
19:46:32 <joanie> JD: Rich, would it make sense for you to get a mapping for IA2 out of James?
19:46:41 <joanie> JD: Then I will accept whatever he wants in ATK.
19:47:10 <joanie> JD: I can add new API to ATK, and a new relation type is quick and easy (we don't need the to-be-created AtkAccessible interface for that).
19:47:23 <joanie> RS: Ok, I'll reply to James Teh.
19:52:39 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:52:39 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Triage actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23" taken up [from clown]
19:53:28 <clown> action-1695
19:53:28 <trackbot> action-1695 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose UIA mapping for aria-kbdshortcuts -- due 2016-03-08 -- OPEN
19:53:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1695
19:53:34 <joanie> JS: Why is this mine?
19:53:45 <joanie> CS: I providing the mapping. You just need to put it in, I think.
19:53:49 <joanie> JS: Is it in a note?
19:53:57 <joanie> CS: Yes, a couple of notes ago.
19:54:15 <joanie> CS: I could do a pull request, but that's not typically how we've been doing things.
19:54:25 <joanie> JS: You say we have two options.
19:55:19 <clown> AcceleratorKey = the contents of aria-kbdshortcuts.
19:55:55 <joanie> CS: AcceleratorKey, yes.
19:56:06 <joanie> CS: Mnemonic is something I'd like to do in the future.
19:56:13 <joanie> JS: I'll put that one in.
19:56:37 <joanie> RS: We have a lot of outstanding issues.
19:56:54 <joanie> RS: We may need to just divvy it up and get them done.
19:57:06 <joanie> RS: We won't be adding new things to ARIA.
19:57:20 <joanie> RS: And to write the test cases, we need to know what the mappings are.
19:57:24 <joanie> JS: I know.
20:01:52 <joanie> Zakim, part
20:01:52 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Joanmarie_Diggs, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa, Cynthia_Shelly
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