12:57:52 RRSAgent has joined #dwbp 12:57:52 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-irc 12:57:54 RRSAgent, make logs 351 12:57:54 Zakim has joined #dwbp 12:57:56 Zakim, this will be DWBP 12:57:56 ok, trackbot 12:57:57 Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 12:57:57 Date: 20 May 2016 12:57:59 zakim, code? 12:57:59 I have been told this is DWBP 12:58:03 deirdrelee has joined #dwbp 12:58:31 zakim, this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mfd8626d4dcc14c87bfbe980f229e9e0a, pw dwbp, meeting no. 647 415 866 (+1-617-324-0000) 12:58:31 got it, phila 12:58:36 zakim, save this description 12:58:36 this conference description has been saved, phila 12:59:36 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160520 12:59:44 chair: Deirdre 13:00:10 riccardoAlbertoni has joined #DWBP 13:01:15 present+ deirdrelee 13:01:37 present+ hadleybeeman 13:02:37 BernadetteLoscio has joined #dwbp 13:03:09 regrets+ EricS 13:03:50 present+ phila 13:04:05 yaso has joined #dwbp 13:04:15 antoine has joined #dwbp 13:05:35 scribe: phila 13:05:36 scribe: phila 13:05:41 present+ BernadetteLoscio 13:05:48 scribenick: phila 13:05:49 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160520 13:06:04 deirdrelee: Quite a calm meeting after the last few weeks' work. 13:06:17 ... Latest versions of all three docs have been published 13:06:23 PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/05/13-dwbp-minutes 13:06:26 ... So now we need to plann from here to the end which is soon 13:06:28 +1 13:06:32 +1 13:06:32 +1 13:06:35 +1 13:06:36 +' 13:06:38 +1 13:06:44 :) 13:06:49 +1 13:06:52 APPROVED: Accept last week's minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/05/13-dwbp-minutes 13:06:56 REOLUTION: Accept last week's minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/05/13-dwbp-minutes 13:07:16 zakim, meeting code? 13:07:16 I don't understand your question, yaso. 13:07:24 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/ DWBP 13:07:24 zakim, meeting number? 13:07:24 I don't understand your question, yaso. 13:07:27 zakim, code? 13:07:27 I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mfd8626d4dcc14c87bfbe980f229e9e0a, pw dwbp, meeting no. 647 415 866 (+1-617-324-0000) 13:07:35 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dqv/ DQV 13:07:41 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-duv/ DUV 13:07:54 :) 13:08:12 -> https://twitter.com/w3c/status/733303835737743360 W3C's tweet 13:08:23 present+ antoine 13:08:34 phil: More excitingly, the response we've had on twitter. 13:08:41 present+ newton 13:09:02 ...This particular tweet was RTed by someone at Bibliotheque National Francais... Phil Ashlock and data.gov. 13:09:03 that's great :) 13:09:18 ...We've had little interaction with them on this work, so I'm really pleased they are engaging. 13:09:22 yaso1 has joined #dwbp 13:09:30 ...The rest of us have got varying levels of support, which is also good. 13:09:49 present+ riccardoAlbertoni 13:09:53 ...Good reaction so far. 13:10:32 deirdrelee: Before we go on... the comment from PY on content nego 13:11:05 phila: Yeah — there's nothing to negotiate. IN the namespace of both docs, at the moment, is just the TTL file. 13:11:09 https://twitter.com/pyvandenbussche/status/733631531193884672 13:11:21 ...Yes, it would be good if there were an HTML representation of each as well. That's up to the editors. 13:11:33 present+ yaso 13:11:44 deirdrelee: Overall, congrats to everyone, especially the editors 13:11:52 Topic: Next steps 13:11:53 thanks a lot! we're really happy! 13:11:59 Muted, hadleybeeman :-) 13:12:02 deirdrelee: Versions we now have are Last Call (sic) 13:12:09 ... Need to get BP doc to CR 13:12:14 ... 2 months is tight 13:12:32 ... Call for comments incldues deadline of 12 June 13:12:50 ... last 2 stages are to gather those final comments and then get implementation reports 13:13:02 ... Don't have to be sequentially. We can gather reports now. 13:13:11 ... Need a good process for handling comments. 13:13:18 q+ 13:13:21 ... How to we address and record comments, record implementations 13:13:47 ack BernadetteLoscio 13:13:47 BernadetteLoscio: ack b 13:13:55 BernadetteLoscio: We're really happy with the results 13:14:09 ... It was hard work but it was worth it. The doc looks really good. 13:14:21 ... Much more stable. I don't expect big changes now. 13:14:38 ... Some stuff we want to do. The example we want to add of a visualisation 13:14:53 ... we didn't have time before now. Maybe some minor improvements 13:15:17 BernadetteLoscio: As for process of recording comments. Do we need to use the tracker or can we use a differnet way? 13:15:19 q? 13:15:41 My suggestion is to use the github issue tracker 13:15:44 laufer has joined #dwbp 13:15:53 phila: you don't have to use comment tracker 13:16:06 present+ laufer 13:16:08 phila: What you did before was great. 13:16:10 ...what you did for the previous comments in wiki is really good and structured 13:16:11 phila: Things to record: the comment 13:16:17 ... the commenter 13:16:21 ... the resolution 13:16:25 ... the implementation 13:16:32 the message sent to the commentator 13:16:38 ... and the reply... 13:17:24 phila: Hopefully we can also point to them saying "great thanks." 13:17:41 ...You're building up the Disposition of Comments, which is the most important thing the Director will want to see when we get to the Candidate Rec call. 13:17:59 ...That's a formal call that happens with the editors, the chairs, me and the Director (probably Philippe le Hagret) 13:18:05 ...This is how you get INTO CR. 13:18:14 ...He's checking the process has been met. Including wide review. 13:18:30 BernadetteLoscio: I think we prefer the wiki as we did before 13:18:36 phila: That's fine 13:18:46 BernadetteLoscio: We'll need help to resolve some comments. 13:18:54 ... We'll need to solve things between us. 13:19:01 ... Before we reply to the commentator. 13:19:20 ... It was great when we were preparing hte last draft as we had a lot of interqaction that made the process more productive 13:19:30 ... I think we will need to have more discussions 13:19:40 q? 13:20:51 deirdrelee: Two other thimngs to decide today - how we're going top get these comments? What are our individual responsibilities? 13:21:12 ... We need as many comments as possible. We ned to show that people have looked at it and are happy with it. 13:21:28 ... We have 12/6 as the deadline. We can hope for comments from now onwards. 13:21:36 ... So, everyone, how are going to plan promotion? 13:21:55 ... ANd the time plan. How can we get this done? 13:22:11 BernadetteLoscio: I think we should address the comments as soonas they arrive. We'll work in the coming weeks to do this. 13:22:41 BernadetteLoscio: We don't want to wait until the end of the comment period. 13:23:01 Topic: getting the word out 13:23:12 deirdrelee: Should we be more targeted? 13:23:34 hadleybeeman: I'm looking through my mailing lists that I sent GLD LC e-mails to. 13:23:45 +1 to deirdrelee 13:23:57 deirdrelee: We need to not spam people. I'll create a wiki page to keep a record of where we're promoting this. 13:24:03 ... Do we need a standard e-mail? 13:24:08 +1 13:24:09 BernadetteLoscio: I like the idea of a standard message. 13:24:11 q+ 13:24:29 ack laufer 13:24:40 action: deirdrelee to draft standard e-mail that people can use to call for comments 13:24:40 Created ACTION-280 - Draft standard e-mail that people can use to call for comments [on Deirdre Lee - due 2016-05-27]. 13:24:54 laufer: I think the text in the W3C news item is pretty useful 13:25:13 deirdrelee: I'll use that as the basis, and add the dates etc. 13:25:34 hadleybeeman: I'd also suggest including a little one sentence of what each doc is meant to be that we can steal from the charter. 13:25:56 o/ 13:25:57 deirdrelee: It's up to all of us to promote it. 13:26:02 ... retweet etc. 13:26:07 q+ 13:26:20 hadleybeeman: I'll send round an e-mail with the lists I sent to. 13:26:24 deirdrelee: Or the wiki page? 13:26:30 hadleybeeman: Sure 13:26:33 q? 13:26:50 BernadetteLoscio: one question. If we send a message in Brazil, it's OK to be in Portguese. 13:26:52 phila: Yes. 13:27:28 q+ 13:27:34 ack b 13:27:35 ack l 13:27:46 laufer: Are you thinking of sending this message to...? 13:28:19 BernadetteLoscio: are you thinking in sending to the sbc list? 13:28:52 BernadetteLoscio: We can have a standard message in PT 13:29:02 @phila do you think it's ok to send it to the semantic web list? Or it's not a good idea, like the cfp.? 13:30:28 @BernadetteLoscio: if you will send to the sbc list I will not do so. I can send to the ihc list too. 13:30:42 q+ 13:30:48 Ok ;) 13:30:57 phila: Please don't ask me to send a mesage to semweb or lof lists ;-) 13:31:03 q+ 13:31:18 ack riccardoAlbertoni 13:31:23 deirdrelee: is it one cmapiagn for comments and implementations or two. 13:31:39 riccardoAlbertoni: I'm all for multiple languages - but what about the replies? 13:31:55 deirdrelee: If we get comments in PT then there'll be a translated record. 13:32:01 ack b 13:32:34 I would not put it in multiple languages. This is a lot of efforts, and for not much. If someone is not able to read the English email they won't be tempted by the (much much longer) English document. 13:32:44 BernadetteLoscio: Having the same campaign - I think it's better to have two separate messages because we can be more focussed when we ask for implementations. 13:33:15 BernadetteLoscio: I started a spreadsheet that we started in the f2F with names and contacts in institutions to aks for implementations 13:33:32 not multiple languages antoine, only english and portuguese 13:33:47 ... we were also discussing in April, we have calls about Web Services with Carol and Newton. The approach for asking for implementations is different so I'm for keeping them separate. 13:33:55 q+ 13:34:02 ack phila 13:34:03 ok deirdrelee 13:35:10 phila: No harm in saying that we'll be asking for implemenbtations 13:35:27 s/implemnbtations/implementations 13:36:03 AndChat|120881 has joined #dwbp 13:36:51 phila: We need a clear idea what we mean by implementation for a BP. 13:37:33 AndChat-120881 has joined #dwbp 13:37:52 AndChat|120881 has joined #dwbp 13:38:09 deirdrelee: The tests are there and area good starting point. 13:38:21 ... We can see if they apply as implementations 13:38:23 q+ 13:38:44 ack BernadetteLoscio 13:38:44 deirdrelee: Some tests might be difficult but most are pretty clear. 13:38:50 BernadetteLoscio: Maybe we can ask for examples 13:39:20 ... They need to fill in a form? We can offer examples of what we mean? 13:39:43 https://www.w3.org/2010/01/mwabp-implementation-report-template 13:39:44 BernadetteLoscio: The form - similar to the one that Mobile Web did 13:40:08 phila: The table that recoreds implementations 13:40:24 BernadetteLoscio: So we could provide examples on that page to help people 13:40:43 About each BP Completed relevant Mostly relevant Some what relevant Not relevant Overall What is your opinion on the BPs Are the BPs clear to read? Are the BPs easier or difficult to read? difficult ------ easier 13:40:45 BernadetteLoscio: Our idea is to use this opprtunity to ask for things like 13:41:11 .. Our idea is to also ask for implementayions and opinions, if they were relevant or not. Overall questions about the doc. 13:41:20 ... Are they are clear, easy to read etc. 13:41:30 ... That's not part of the CR process but it's an opportunity. 13:41:44 ... We were thinking of sending a message explaining what we want 13:42:05 ... If we have feedback from people saying they want to implement the Bps then we can send a form and follow up 13:42:28 deirdrelee: For campaign no. 1 we'll kick that off now, asking for comments on all three docs. 13:42:43 ... And say that we will soon be asking for implementation reports. 13:42:53 ...We'll create a grid like the WMBP doc 13:44:03 phila: I'd be inclined to create that grid ASAP and put it in the GH repo 13:44:07 BernadetteLoscio: Yep. 13:44:25 deirdrelee: We need to close all open issues and actions before CR 13:44:29 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open 13:44:30 Topic: Issues 13:44:46 issue-153? 13:44:46 issue-153 -- Should open/closed data be addressed in the Data Usage Vocabulary? -- open 13:44:46 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/153 13:45:53 BernadetteLoscio: Not sure what Eric meant. I'll talk to Eric about it. 13:45:56 issue-221? 13:45:56 issue-221 -- What is the importance of the alignment between hcls-dataset and dqv/duv? -- open 13:45:56 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/221 13:46:48 riccardoAlbertoni: I think it's still open. I know antoine has had a discussion with one of the HCLS folks but we haven't yet solved this issue. Same applies to next issue. We have 2 options and we have yet to decide which to follow. 13:46:59 ... We can try and work on these next week. 13:47:01 issue-234? 13:47:01 issue-234 -- Role of Usage Tool -- open 13:47:01 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/234 13:47:23 BernadetteLoscio: This is also sometehing I#m trying to find whetehr we have a resolution. Again, I need to talk to Eric. 13:47:29 issue-251? 13:47:29 issue-251 -- Open issues on Data Preservation Section -- open 13:47:29 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/251 13:47:44 deirdrelee: Are these things that we're looking for comments on? 13:48:08 BernadetteLoscio: Yes, we can close these. We have comments on the wiki about that, changes in the doc etc. ahead of the yesterday's publication. We looked at all those 13:48:32 BernadetteLoscio: We can include links from the comments table to prove it 13:48:37 Topic; Actions 13:48:41 Topic: Actions 13:48:47 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open 13:48:48 newton has joined #dwbp 13:49:00 deirdrelee: Some of these are from the f2F and before 13:49:05 action-148 13:49:06 action-148 -- Yaso Córdova to Include a definition of 'a standard' in the glossary -- due 2016-04-01 -- OPEN 13:49:06 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/148 13:49:11 it's done 13:49:21 I sent an email for the group with this 13:49:23 q+ 13:49:27 AndChat|120881 has joined #dwbp 13:49:30 BernadetteLoscio: I can't remember what the follow up was 13:49:34 ack y 13:50:00 yaso: I sent an e-mail after the F2F. Don't remember if there was an answer. 13:50:09 ... I used something from the Commission Core Vocs. 13:50:20 deirdrelee: So will put in a link to your e-mail and close the action? 13:51:34 q+ 13:51:45 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2016Mar/0143.html 13:52:05 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2016Mar/0152.html 13:52:12 antoine's reply 13:52:40 ack BernadetteLoscio 13:52:54 ok, no problem 13:53:14 yaso: OK, I'll actually add the text to the Bp doc 13:53:22 action-208? 13:53:22 action-208 -- Antoine Isaac to Contact oa wg to see whether they would consider adding dqv motivation -- due 2016-04-01 -- OPEN 13:53:22 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/208 13:53:37 continues but now is the time :-) 13:53:59 deirdrelee: Leave that open then 13:54:02 action-210? 13:54:02 action-210 -- Eric Stephan to Investigate the relationship between dqv and duv wrt citations that can be considered as a quality annotation -- due 2016-04-04 -- OPEN 13:54:02 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/210 13:54:19 riccardoAlbertoni: We didn't progress on that I think. That's one for Eric really 13:54:33 ... Probably doesn't make sense anymore 13:54:44 [I prepared for this one!] We never had the time to really wrap up this. And I don’t know if I’m tempted. There was a sentence on how on DUV and DQV follow another BP, but it’s been removed in the last edits because it made the text already too long. Where would the paragraph in action-227 sit? 13:54:53 ... for me it can be closed. I can write to Eric and ask if it can be closed. 13:55:00 oops sorry wrong action :-) 13:55:01 action-227? 13:55:01 action-227 -- Antoine Isaac to Work with eric s on writing section on evolution of duv wrt reuse of namespaces etc. -- due 2016-04-01 -- OPEN 13:55:01 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/227 13:55:17 action-229? 13:55:17 action-229 -- Phil Archer to Send bp editors implementation-questionaire template -- due 2016-03-15 -- OPEN 13:55:17 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/229 13:56:02 phila: Happy to turn that into helping with the new CR implemenation grid doc 13:56:09 close action-229 13:56:09 Closed action-229. 13:56:18 action: phila to work on implementation grid 13:56:19 Created ACTION-281 - Work on implementation grid [on Phil Archer - due 2016-05-27]. 13:56:28 action-231? 13:56:28 action-231 -- Annette Greiner to Talk to eric wilde about open comments and reach resolution -- due 2016-02-19 -- OPEN 13:56:28 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/231 13:56:52 BernadetteLoscio: Annete spoke to him. We sent several messages but he didn't reply. I don't think there's more we can do. 13:57:00 deirdrelee: Are the comments closed? 13:57:14 BernadetteLoscio: We sent several messages, resolutions etc. No reply. 13:57:17 close action-231 13:57:17 Closed action-231. 13:57:19 I think we can close Action-251 .. 13:57:26 action-233? 13:57:26 action-233 -- Newton Calegari to Check if the turtle and rdfa examples are validated -- due 2016-04-01 -- OPEN 13:57:26 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/233 13:57:32 BernadetteLoscio: We did this for the last draft 13:57:52 close action-233 13:57:52 Closed action-233. 13:57:59 action-249? 13:57:59 action-249 -- Caroline Burle to Answer comment 3051 from eric wilde (https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/wd-dwbp-20150224/3051) -- due 2016-03-21 -- OPEN 13:57:59 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/249 13:58:08 action-239;? 13:58:08 action-239 -- Peter Winstanley to Check on using an example about real-time data for bp23 -- due 2016-03-25 -- OPEN 13:58:08 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/239 13:58:33 deirdrelee: I think he did that which is related to my actions 13:58:38 BernadetteLoscio: Yep, we have an example now 13:58:41 close action-239 13:58:41 Closed action-239. 13:58:53 action-249 13:58:53 action-249 -- Caroline Burle to Answer comment 3051 from eric wilde (https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/wd-dwbp-20150224/3051) -- due 2016-03-21 -- OPEN 13:58:53 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/249 13:59:00 BernadetteLoscio: That was answered 13:59:05 close action-249 13:59:05 Closed action-249. 13:59:13 action-250 13:59:13 action-250 -- Newton Calegari to Update the config on respec with the public mailing address and answer comment lc-3062 (https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/wd-dwbp-20150625/3062) -- due 2016-03-21 -- OPEN 13:59:13 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/250 13:59:26 BernadetteLoscio: That was done 13:59:30 close action-250 13:59:30 Closed action-250. 13:59:44 riccardoAlbertoni: action-251 can be closed as I have provided an example to Eric 13:59:47 close action-251 13:59:47 Closed action-251. 13:59:52 action-264? 13:59:52 action-264 -- Phil Archer to Ensure that the bp doc refers to the example for representing precision and accuracy in the dqv -- due 2016-03-21 -- OPEN 13:59:52 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/264 14:00:12 action-275 14:00:12 action-275 -- Deirdre Lee to Help with the example of bp http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentyourapi -- due 2016-05-06 -- OPEN 14:00:12 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/275 14:00:15 deirdrelee: I did that 14:00:21 close action-275 14:00:21 Closed action-275. 14:00:25 action-276 14:00:25 action-276 -- Deirdre Lee to Enhance the examples and incorporate some of the things we discussed today -- due 2016-05-06 -- OPEN 14:00:25 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/276 14:00:31 deirdrelee: I did that too 14:00:41 close action-276 14:00:41 Closed action-276. 14:00:50 ok ;) 14:01:05 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:01:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes.html phila 14:01:10 deirdrelee: More of the same next week folks 14:01:22 ... I'll get a draft e-mail and mailing list sorted 14:01:28 bye all. happy weekend. 14:01:30 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:01:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes.html phila 14:01:39 thanks!!! 14:02:01 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:02:05 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:02:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes.html phila 14:03:33 regrets+ Caroline, EricK 14:03:46 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:03:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes.html phila 16:07:13 newton has joined #dwbp 16:07:31 AndChat|120881 has joined #dwbp 16:09:56 yaso has joined #dwbp 16:13:53 newton has joined #dwbp 16:14:21 AndChat-120881 has joined #dwbp 16:39:14 Zakim has left #dwbp 17:25:20 yaso has joined #dwbp