14:00:25 RRSAgent has joined #tt 14:00:25 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-tt-irc 14:00:27 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:00:27 Zakim has joined #tt 14:00:29 Zakim, this will be TTML 14:00:29 ok, trackbot 14:00:29 mike has joined #tt 14:00:30 Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 14:00:30 Date: 19 May 2016 14:00:49 Present: Nigel 14:00:52 Chair: Nigel 14:00:56 scribe: nigel 14:01:06 Regrets: Andreas, Frans 14:01:47 Present+ Mike, Glenn 14:03:12 Topic: This Meeting 14:05:43 nigel: Today we should check on the current status of the IMSC press release and TTML2 WD, the profile registry, the Charter, the WebVTT mapping document, TPAC 14:07:24 Topic: Charter 14:07:39 nigel: Today we have notification that the new Charter has been approved for 2 years. 14:08:20 https://www.w3.org/2016/05/timed-text-charter.html 14:09:38 nigel: We're the first group to have the choice to decide on licence per deliverable as in section 8. 14:10:43 Topic: Profile Registry 14:11:18 nigel: Andreas sent me some notes: he thinks that some rows still need to be filled, e.g. CFTT 14:11:40 ... and that we should take the issue from Erik Wild seriously and give some feedback. 14:12:18 ... He said also he may make a pull request for removing some parts of the informative section 1. 14:12:35 mike: Where we ended up with Erik's email is that we are forbidding ourselves as a matter 14:12:48 ... of process to remove entries. 14:14:53 ... I'm not likely to lead a pull request on this. 14:15:16 glenn: Short codes should be immutable in relation to a specification and version, so we should note that. 14:15:49 mike: In spirit I agree with that, but be careful because there are specifications with 40 chapters, 14:16:05 ... of which only one might relate to TTML, so if any of the others change it would be 14:16:14 ... silly to churn the short code registry value. 14:16:23 glenn: True but why would you update the registry in that case? 14:16:35 ... I'm assuming you'd have to update the reference to the normative specification that 14:17:18 ... defines the profile. That should be done extremely carefully if at all and should be 14:17:23 ... strongly discouraged. 14:17:32 mike: I think we all agree. 14:17:35 nigel: Yes. 14:17:45 glenn: We also have to be careful to allow for errata. 14:18:48 nigel: I haven't thought this through fully, but since we are defining processor profiles, 14:19:08 ... is there some subset or superset relationship for which it would be reasonable to 14:19:12 ... reuse the same short code? 14:19:56 glenn: You're either causing existing content or existing processors to become non-compliant 14:20:02 ... by subsetting or supersetting. 14:20:26 nigel: I'm comfortable playing it safe and saying 'don't reuse codes' 14:20:56 https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/issues/17 14:21:51 nigel: This conversation should continue on the issue. We do need some extra text even 14:22:03 ... if it is no stronger than guidance for the group when considering future changes. 14:22:38 glenn has joined #tt 14:23:25 nigel: I've added a note to the issue. 14:24:30 mike: We're past due on publishing this and starting the IANA process. 14:24:37 nigel: I think a version of it is published... 14:25:27 https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-profile-registry/ 14:26:30 nigel: That's a WG note on /TR. 14:26:42 nigel: It was notified on the w3.org home page, with the archived article at https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5387?pk_campaign=feed&pk_kwd=ttml-media-type-definition-and-profile-registry-note-published 14:27:22 mike: I want someone from ISO/MPEG to find the registry, e.g. from the WG home page. 14:28:09 nigel: You can navigate from the WG page to https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications 14:28:18 ... but the latest URL isn't on that page yet. 14:29:35 ... The link is now there but I've put it in the wrong column. 14:29:48 ACTION: nigel update the publications wiki page for the profile registry 14:29:49 Created ACTION-470 - Update the publications wiki page for the profile registry [on Nigel Megitt - due 2016-05-26]. 14:30:51 nigel: We should update the Note, but in the meantime is the current version okay for initiating IANA registration? 14:30:58 mike: Yes, it's fine. 14:31:49 nigel: The only recent change is to remove Andreas as editor. 14:32:40 nigel: Philippe told me recently that he needs to set aside some time to remind himself 14:32:48 ... about the IANA process and that he hasn't been able to do that yet. 14:33:03 ... That means that Action-468 and Action-469 are still ongoing. 14:34:38 plh has joined #tt 14:35:16 mike: We also need a redirect from the wiki page 14:35:20 present+ 14:35:25 Present+ plh 14:36:29 glenn: I think the best thing to do is to remove the content from the page and leave content saying where to go. 14:36:35 plh: +1 Where's the page? 14:36:43 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjj6smxrObMAhWBRSYKHRDXDFgQFggdMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fwiki%2FTTML%2FProfileRegistry&usg=AFQjCNHRE4Bf4wK9XD70xb6qpE_IE5uTBw&sig2=ZLCXITUCtTS5uDIRyYKztg 14:36:45 https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/ProfileRegistry 14:37:16 s|https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjj6smxrObMAhWBRSYKHRDXDFgQFggdMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fwiki%2FTTML%2FProfileRegistry&usg=AFQjCNHRE4Bf4wK9XD70xb6qpE_IE5uTBw&sig2=ZLCXITUCtTS5uDIRyYKztg|| 14:37:36 glenn: It looks like there's already redirect text so it looks like the text content just needs to be removed. 14:38:11 nigel: I agree. We should also add a link to the /TR version. 14:38:14 glenn: I agree. 14:38:25 ... Maybe you should just use the /TR version as the link not the github one. 14:38:29 plh: Consider it done. 14:38:58 Topic: IMSC 14:39:29 plh: Are they targeting the 24th for press release publication? 14:39:45 glenn: Are we still synchronising with a TTML2 WD, so I need to update with a new date? 14:40:06 plh: I can take care of that Glenn. I just made changes in your generated version to fix that. 14:40:15 glenn: I need to get those fixes back in the source content? 14:40:36 plh: Not necessarily, since they were just workarounds for bugs in echidna, for which the fixes have not yet been deployed. 14:40:58 plh: I think I mentioned there are some additional files - do you have them all or shall I 14:41:02 ... package them up for you? 14:41:07 s/plh/glenn 14:41:15 plh: No, I don't think so. 14:41:20 glenn: I'll package it up then. 14:42:08 plh: Please take the version that's on github otherwise I'll have to reapply the changes. 14:42:39 nigel: And the current status on the press release text? 14:43:08 pal: Netflix is working on their testimonial, and Disney likewise. Also there's a quote from staff that's needed. 14:43:26 ... I believe that W3C practices require a staff quote, according to what I was sent by the comm team. 14:43:56 ... For the Emmy PR Judy and plh provided quotes, so I've asked them for a quote. 14:44:28 ... I thought going down the same path would be good, especially since Judy's quote was 14:44:34 ... nice and she leads the accessibility effort. 14:44:54 ... Also the Movielabs PR group has suggested rejigging things - they liked the EBU quote 14:45:11 ... and suggested moving it higher up if that fits W3 rules. It's in Coralie's and Karen's hands. 14:45:19 plh: I'll reach out to Coralie to make sure she has what she needs. 14:46:30 pal: I'm happy to write a quote, if that's blocking this. 14:46:45 nigel: Should we clarify the situation by stating that we're publishing on 24th? Would that 14:46:50 ... cause anyone any difficulties? 14:47:07 pal: I don't think so, assuming Karen and Coralie can complete their work okay. 14:47:22 glenn: Philippe, you changed the date to 17th May. What date should I change it to? 14:47:24 plh: 24th. 14:47:32 glenn: Ok. 14:48:40 nigel: Should I send a message to Coralie and Karen telling them that the group wants 14:48:53 ... to publish on 24th and asking them to let the external orgs know? 14:49:03 pal: Please do - that's consistent with what I've been asking them to do. 14:49:07 nigel: Okay, I will. 14:51:09 nigel: I think that's all on the press release. There's an open PR: 14:51:17 nigel: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/176 14:51:30 pal: The idea is to reference this versions document from each of the published versions 14:51:46 ... of IMSC, starting with IMSC 1. It didn't make it into IMSC 1 as currently published on /TR 14:52:02 ... and we've not had the discussion on how to update the version on /TR. This isn't urgent. 14:52:34 nigel: Would that have to be an errata? 14:52:51 plh: No I think you just have to send a request for an update. I'd have to handle it. I think I'd say okay, 14:53:06 ... because you're just adding links in the headers, not removing links. We try to be more 14:53:14 ... flexible on this kind of thing than we used to be. 14:53:26 pal: We should look at how we structure this and take the time to do it right if we're 14:53:28 ... going to do it. 14:53:32 nigel: +1 14:54:20 Regrets+ tmichel 14:54:35 nigel: The other open issue is a minor one regarding character encoding for the ΓΌ in the 14:54:48 ... full name of IRT. It's not a problem in the published version - I don't know how Thierry 14:55:00 ... managed that, but it's not urgent so he can deal with it when he returns. 14:57:06 Topic: AOB 14:57:24 nigel: My attendance is problematic in 3 of the 5 weeks of June, so if anyone can 14:57:31 ... volunteer to chair that would be appreciated. 14:58:10 pal: Unfortunately I can't volunteer on this occasion. 14:58:22 nigel: Okay, thank you - we'll decide what to do about those meetings next week, and 14:58:26 ... may need to cancel. 14:59:24 nigel: That's all on the agenda today. Thanks everyone. [adjourns meeting] 14:59:27 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:59:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-tt-minutes.html nigel 15:01:26 ScribeOptions: -final -noEmbedDiagnostics 15:01:27 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:01:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-tt-minutes.html nigel 16:54:01 Zakim has left #tt