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14:05:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:05:37 <trackbot> Date: 19 May 2016
14:05:49 <allanj> Chair: Jim
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14:39:05 <allanj> Agenda+ Gap Analysis
14:39:07 <allanj> http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/WC-UA-alignment.html
14:41:14 <allanj> Regrets: Jeanne, Andrew
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15:04:34 <allanj> scribe: wayne
15:05:17 <allanj> Resolution: 3.3.1 Text Size - GAP WCAG - 1.4.4 & 1.4.8 limits size to 200%, NOGAP UAAG met by 1.4.1 & 1.4.2
15:05:19 <allanj> Resolution: 3.3.2 Font - GAP WCAG no SC, NOGAP UAAG met by 1.4.1 & 1.4.2
15:05:20 <allanj> Resolution: 3.3.3 Style - GAP WCAG no SC, NOGAP UAAG met by 1.4.1 & 1.4.2
15:05:22 <allanj> Resolution: 3.3.4 Capitalization - GAP WCAG no SC, NOGAP UAAG met by 1.4.6
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15:05:57 <Wayne> AJ: I wrote all the proposed gaps found when the full group was not present.
15:06:11 <Wayne> present+ wayne
15:06:44 <allanj> present+Jim
15:08:23 <Wayne> zakim, take up item 1
15:08:23 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Gap Analysis" taken up [from allanj]
15:08:34 <allanj> Topic: 3.4.6 spacing between elements
15:08:35 <laura> present+ Laura
15:09:32 <Wayne> See this in the GAP chart
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15:10:02 <allanj> https://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/WC-UA-alignment.html
15:11:13 <allanj> Resolution: 3.4.6 Spacing - GAP WCAG 1.4.8 only covers <p>, NOGAP UAAG met by 1.4.2 and 1.4.3
15:13:52 <Wayne> RESOLUTION:      3.4.6 Spacing - GAP WCAG 1.4.8 only covers <p>, NOGAP UAAG met by 1.4.2 and 1.4.3
15:17:40 <allanj> Topic: 3.5.1 element customization
15:18:47 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: No SC in WCAG, UAAG covers in 14.2 and 1.4.6
15:21:37 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: No SC in WCAG, UAAG covers in 14.2 and 1.4.6
15:21:48 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: No SC in WCAG, UAAG covers in 14.2
15:21:57 <allanj> Topic: 3.6.1 Maintain Point of Regard
15:23:49 <laura> Example: Point of Regard and Proximity of Controls: http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/wcagwg/point_of_regard/
15:23:57 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: GAP in WCAG, Covered in 1.8.6 and 1.8.9
15:24:42 <allanj> UAAG 1.8.6 and 1.8.9
15:27:17 <allanj> sm: problem in mobile, changing in orientation
15:27:47 <allanj> wd: focus in form is easy, tab, shift tab to regain focus
15:28:38 <allanj> ... if big text area, very disorienting
15:28:52 <allanj> topic: 3.6.2 proximity of related information
15:36:10 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: GAP in WCAG, UAAG GAP with partial 1.10.1
15:36:50 <allanj> last 3 bullets in use case not covered
15:37:08 <allanj> topic: 3.7.1 seeing all interface elements
15:37:47 <shawn> fyi, there is a pending edit on this wording -- on my To Do list
15:38:01 <allanj>  User Need - All Elements: Users can see all interface elements that are intended for users to see, including when users have changed display settings such as text size.
15:38:02 <shawn> but that shouldn't hold up this gpa analysis
15:38:15 <shawn> s/gpa analysis/gap analysis
15:38:32 <allanj> wd: perhaps include busy background image with text on top
15:38:52 <Wayne> RESOLUTATION:
15:40:33 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: GAP in WCAG, UAAG 2.71 covers UA items only, not content elements
15:42:29 <allanj> awk: partial coverage WCAG 1.4.4 upto  200%
15:43:17 <allanj> ... also 1.4.8
15:43:59 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: WCAG partial 1.44 and 1.48, UAAG 2.71 covers UA items only, not content elements
15:44:19 <allanj> topic: 3.7.2 Printing Customized text
15:45:24 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: GAP in WCAG, Covered in UAAG 1.4.4
15:46:21 <allanj> topic: 3.7.3 Using User Setting
15:46:58 <allanj> deferred until the user need is completed
15:47:04 <ScottM> ...
15:51:36 <Wayne> AJ: There is a WCAG gap. 1.4.8 listed gives an upper limit (WCAG)
15:52:51 <Wayne> ... It looks like we are don't
15:53:03 <Wayne> s/don't/done./
15:54:00 <allanj> sm: windows has settings that effect the browser (or some of them)
15:54:01 <shawn> q+
15:54:43 <shawn> 3.7.3. User Need - User Settings: Content picks up all relevant user settings, such as ...
15:54:44 <allanj> ... this could be a huge problem, change browser settings based on OS settings
15:55:25 <Wayne> Scott: This could be very difficult; only Windows does this;
15:55:38 <allanj> awk: what are the things that are needed. OS settings, browser settings, content authors might set.
15:56:15 <Wayne> AWK: We are talking of user need. We can take on what is possible.
15:56:49 <ScottM> Authors must account for custom: Fonts, CSS, Colors, Removal of background or all images, text size
15:56:55 <Wayne> AWK: We are talking about the user need.
15:58:18 <Wayne> Shawn: This does not list. If the user sets values in the OS or Browser then the content respects this.
15:58:42 <shawn> ack s
15:58:59 <allanj> wd: this is in 508, but not in wcag stuff
15:59:13 <ScottM> Content must be interpretable with any custom settings
16:00:26 <allanj> sm: browsers don't always support OS settings
16:01:00 <shawn> action: Shawn 3.7.3 for "picks up" -> "respects" ?
16:01:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-56 - 3.7.3 for "picks up" -> "respects" ? [on Shawn Henry - due 2016-05-26].
16:01:13 <Wayne> ScottM: Browsers don't respect OS settings, all kinds of things don't pass through; there are ways for pages to override; sites have there CSS.
16:02:01 <Wayne> Shawn: Content and User Agents respect the user's operating system settings.
16:02:08 <shawn> user agents user OS settings; content uses UA and OS settings
16:02:39 <shawn> s/user agents user OS settings/user agents use OS settings
16:02:55 <Wayne> AJ: If i had all these settings I coule pop up my settings.
16:03:36 <shawn> s/Content and User Agents respect the user's operating system settings./user agents respect OS settings; content respects UA and OS settings
16:04:13 <allanj> wd: user profile in OS, transfer to UA
16:05:31 <Wayne> ScottM: In office removes color dependencies; in browsers using JS one could ask the rendered; you can write the page more generic;  the user must be able to make custom settings; render the page so it is intelligible with thes preferences in place.
16:06:14 <ScottM> +1
16:06:42 <allanj> wd: users need a mechanism to propose presentation setting and UA will respect these.
16:06:51 <allanj> ja: and transportable
16:09:03 <shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/track/actions/56
16:11:43 <ScottM> ?
16:12:15 <allanj> ja: UA GL2.6 has 5 SC related to settings
16:17:04 <allanj> discussion of multiple configurations, transportable setting
16:17:37 <allanj> sh: we want to focus on specific needs related to low vision
16:17:46 <ScottM> You could jump the fence with a pony!
16:19:19 <allanj> ... expanding needs to include advanced settings - transportable, multiple settings, etc...seems concocted
16:19:49 <allanj> wd: create profile, and transport it.
16:20:25 <allanj> sh: perhaps add to gap analysis - is this a need, or just a gap
16:20:51 <allanj> ... start a github issues about 2.6 - is it a need
16:22:22 <Wayne> Shawn: we can still do the gap analysis for our rough 3.7.3
16:23:09 <allanj> 3.7.3 user agents respect OS settings; content respects UA and OS settings
16:24:17 <allanj> 3.7.3 user agents uses OS settings; content uses UA and OS settings
16:24:29 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: 3.7.3 user agents uses OS settings; content uses UA and OS settings
16:24:51 <allanj> NOGAP UAAG GL 2.6 and 5.1.3
16:26:10 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: Absent in WCAG; NOGAP UAAG GL 2.6 and 5.1.3
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16:27:03 <ScottM> Yep
16:27:12 <allanj> zakim, who is here?
16:27:12 <Zakim> Present: wayne, Jim, Laura
16:27:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see laura, ScottM, Wayne, jeanne, Zakim, RRSAgent, shawn, allanj, MichaelC, trackbot
16:27:29 <allanj> present+ shawn, awk
16:27:55 <laura> bye
16:28:00 <ScottM> Bye
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16:28:45 <allanj> zakim, please part
16:28:45 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been wayne, Jim, Laura, shawn, awk
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16:39:52 <allanj> regrets- andrew
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17:09:05 <allanj> regrets -andrew
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17:09:52 <allanj> agenda?
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17:10:20 <allanj> zakim, clear agenda
17:10:20 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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17:10:35 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-lvtf-actions.rdf :
17:10:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shawn 3.7.3 for "picks up" -> "respects" ? [1]
17:10:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-lvtf-irc#T16-01-00