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17:03:35 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
17:03:35 <trackbot> Date: 17 May 2016
17:03:37 <tantek> present+
17:03:39 <aaronpk> present+
17:03:42 <shevski> present+
17:03:42 <sandro> present+
17:03:45 <eprodrom> present+
17:03:49 <ben_thatmust> present+
17:03:51 <annbass> present+
17:03:58 <Arnaud> present+
17:04:50 <tantek> scribenick: annbass
17:04:56 <tantek> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-05-10-minutes
17:05:14 <annbass> chair: tantek
17:05:34 <annbass> tantek: seeking approval of minutes ..
17:05:40 <annbass> +1
17:05:45 <sandro> +1
17:05:50 <ben_thatmust> +1
17:06:01 <tantek> Zakim, who is here?
17:06:01 <Zakim> Present: tantek, aaronpk, shevski, sandro, eprodrom, ben_thatmust, annbass, Arnaud
17:06:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, eprodrom, shepazu, annbass, shevski, tantek, jasnell, ben_thatmustbeme, KevinMarks, Loqi, Arnaud, cwebber2, bigbluehat, strugee, aaronpk, raucao, wilkie,
17:06:04 <Zakim> ... wseltzer, sandro, trackbot, rrika, rhiaro, jet, tsyesika, dwhly, ElijahLynn, tessierashpool_, bitbear
17:06:18 <annbass> <ben_thatmustbeme is only on phone; new apt doesn't have internet yet>
17:06:24 <aaronpk> +1
17:06:51 <eprodrom> +1
17:06:58 <annbass> s/ben_thatmustbeme is/cwebber2 is/
17:06:59 <tantek> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-06-06
17:07:26 <annbass> ... upcoming F2F .. note the dates changed to Mon-Tues
17:07:52 <annbass> ... due to flights, changed ending time on Tues to 5pm
17:07:56 <annbass> q+
17:08:08 <tantek> scribenick: tantek
17:08:17 <tantek> annbass: looks like I cannot come to the meeting
17:08:24 <tantek> annbass: not totally confirmed, but likely
17:08:38 <KevinMarks> present+
17:08:45 <tantek> scribenick: annbass
17:09:05 <annbass> tantek: F2F logistics ..
17:09:33 <tantek> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-06-06#Participants
17:09:37 <annbass> ... attendees should add their food preferences, arrival info, hotels, etc
17:09:57 <tantek> zakim, who is here?
17:09:57 <Zakim> Present: tantek, aaronpk, shevski, sandro, eprodrom, ben_thatmust, annbass, Arnaud, KevinMarks
17:09:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, eprodrom, shepazu, annbass, shevski, tantek, jasnell, ben_thatmustbeme, KevinMarks, Loqi, Arnaud, cwebber2, bigbluehat, strugee, aaronpk, raucao, wilkie,
17:09:59 <Zakim> ... wseltzer, sandro, trackbot, rrika, rhiaro, jet, tsyesika, dwhly, ElijahLynn, tessierashpool_, bitbear
17:09:59 <aaronpk> sorry we will miss you ann!
17:10:17 <annbass> (I know .. I was really looking to come; easy trip for me)
17:10:29 <KevinMarks> I'll be remote I think
17:10:34 <shevski> I don't think I will
17:10:41 <annbass> tantek: asking shevski, arnaud and kevin if they're coming to F2F
17:10:42 <KevinMarks> don't have funding fro travel at the moment
17:10:42 <tantek> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-06-06#Remote_Participation
17:10:54 <shevski> me neither :-/
17:11:16 <annbass> ... sorry to hear that kevin and shevski...
17:11:46 <annbass> shevski -- let me know if anyone has funding to provide! (from London)
17:11:58 <tantek> q?
17:12:01 <tantek> ack annbass
17:12:16 <annbass> tantek ... that's it for F2F .. everyone should add their info to planning page
17:12:28 <tantek> topic: Webmention CR status update
17:12:35 <eprodrom> tantek: I added an AS2.0 update
17:12:43 <annbass> sandro: sort of 2 agenda items
17:12:51 <sandro> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Webmention_CR_Transition_Request
17:12:58 <annbass> ... A) shevski and I worked together to make transition request
17:13:02 <annbass> ... mostly good
17:13:07 <aaronpk> s/shevski and/aaronpk and
17:13:22 <annbass> (oh! soory)
17:13:56 <annbass> ... salmention ...
17:14:18 <sandro> https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention/issues/37
17:14:20 <annbass> ... Issue 37 on this ..
17:14:53 <annbass> tantek: were you here (early meetings) when we talked about normative references?
17:14:57 <annbass> sandro: not sure
17:15:08 <annbass> ... what happened?
17:15:21 <annbass> tantek: same question .. re: referring to external specs
17:15:52 <annbass> ... started as mailing list discussion .. HarryHalpin took to TimBL .. had lunch discussion
17:16:27 <annbass> ... upshot: OK to normatively reference spec, if you identify which parts are stable and which parts are under discussion
17:16:37 <annbass> ... OK to reference "Living Specs"
17:16:55 <annbass> ... need to give enough info so that people can figure out what to do
17:17:32 <tantek> q?
17:17:43 <aaronpk> q+
17:17:44 <annbass> (wondering if tantek has a link?)
17:18:19 <annbass> sandro:  one option is to take out the ref to salmention
17:18:35 <annbass> ... you're saying a new idea .. identify stable / not stable
17:18:38 <tantek> ack aaronpk
17:18:51 <annbass> aaronpk: I updated the Editor's Draft
17:19:00 <tantek> FYI annbass https://www.w3.org/2013/09/normative-references
17:20:00 <annbass> ... salmention is no longer a normative ref ..
17:20:06 <annbass> ... now more explicit about updates
17:20:23 <aaronpk> http://webmention.net/draft/#sending-webmentions-for-updated-posts
17:20:28 <aaronpk> "If a response to the source URL is shown on the source URL page, then sender should treat that as an update of the source URL and re-send any previously sent Webmentions."
17:20:33 <ben_thatmustbeme> http://webmention.net/draft/#updating-existing-webmentions
17:22:15 <annbass> aaronpk: essentially changes from "it must support it" to "it may wish to support it"
17:22:35 <annbass> ... not a "should", not even a "may"
17:22:56 <annbass> tantek: any feedback, reactions, objections?
17:23:06 <sandro> sandro: this looks good to me
17:23:09 <annbass> ... OK, not hearing anything ..
17:23:22 <annbass> ... moving on
17:23:22 <eprodrom> This seems like the right response
17:24:02 <annbass> sandro: can we get a formal resolution, since this is a normative change? just for the record
17:24:31 <annbass> tantek: yes, write a proposal
17:24:55 <annbass> aaronpk:  I just added tantek's comment re: "e.g., "
17:25:08 <sandro> PROPOSED:  Publish updated Webmention WD and revise CR draft, with Salmention no longer being normative, as per current editors draft
17:25:20 <aaronpk> +1
17:25:22 <ben_thatmustbeme> +1
17:25:23 <sandro> +1
17:25:25 <eprodrom> +1
17:25:27 <tantek> +1
17:25:27 <annbass> +1
17:25:29 <rhiaro> +1
17:25:32 <KevinMarks> +1
17:25:43 <sandro> RESOLVED:  Publish updated Webmention WD and revise CR draft, with Salmention no longer being normative, as per current editors draft
17:25:59 <eprodrom> \o/
17:26:12 <annbass> tantek: ok, we can go ahead with Transition Request
17:26:19 <annbass> ... next step is phone call with the Director
17:26:34 <annbass> sandro: typically takes ~1 week, but depends on schedules
17:26:42 <annbass> tantek: who needs to be on that call/
17:26:58 <eprodrom> I can be on it too
17:26:59 <annbass> sandro: at least 1 chair, also aaronpk ..
17:27:18 <annbass> sandro: I'll propose some times, make a doodle poll
17:28:07 <annbass> ... have to find out who is acting as "Director" .. either Ralph or Philippe
17:28:21 <tantek> q?
17:28:25 <annbass> ... need to find out their schedules; should take me a day or two
17:28:38 <tantek> topic: Activity Streams 2.0 update
17:28:48 <annbass> (Ralph Swick and Philippe le Hegaret)
17:29:09 <eprodrom> http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams-vocabulary/
17:29:15 <eprodrom> http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams-core/
17:29:20 <annbass> eprodrom: last week we cleared out most issues, but had a couple more come up
17:29:37 <annbass> ... Editors' Drafts have been edited .. new versions out there
17:29:44 <eprodrom> http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams-core/#activitystreams-1.0
17:30:13 <annbass> ... new section: description of motivations re changes for moving to AS2
17:30:31 <annbass> ... followed some suggestions by tantek for reformatting
17:30:52 <eprodrom> http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams-vocabulary/index.html#changelog
17:30:55 <annbass> ... now have change logs on both docs
17:31:04 <tantek> \o/ change logs!
17:31:07 <aaronpk> 👍
17:31:09 <annbass> ... covers major changes, not minor editorial bits
17:31:14 <ben_thatmustbeme> eprodrom++
17:31:16 <Loqi> eprodrom has 32 karma
17:31:18 <eprodrom> http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams-core/#changelog
17:31:28 <annbass> ... for both vocabulary and for core
17:31:46 <annbass> ... hoping that suffices, without going all the way back to beginning
17:31:51 <annbass> ... no more outstanding issues
17:32:24 <annbass> ... would like to have this Editors Draft open for ~1 week, then go to Working Draft
17:32:30 <tantek> q?
17:32:50 <annbass> ... alternative, make this WD and then go straight to Candidate Rec
17:32:56 <annbass> tantek: preferences?
17:33:01 <annbass> ... no responses
17:33:09 <annbass> ... therefore I'll defer to Editor
17:33:21 <ben_thatmustbeme> Working Draft++
17:33:43 <tantek> PROPOSED: Publish updated working drafts of Activity Streams specifications based on current Editor's Draft.
17:33:52 <annbass> +1
17:33:53 <ben_thatmustbeme> +1
17:33:58 <eprodrom> +1
17:34:00 <aaronpk> +1 both documents I assume
17:34:05 <eprodrom> aaronpk: yes
17:34:20 <shevski> +1
17:34:24 <annbass> (that proposal captures eprodrom's preference, that I didn't capture in minutes above)
17:34:46 <sandro> +1
17:34:57 <tantek> RESOLVED: Publish updated working drafts of Activity Streams specifications based on current Editor's Draft.
17:35:08 <annbass> tantek: thanks eprodrom!
17:35:11 <annbass> ... hard work
17:35:13 <eprodrom> Great news
17:35:34 <Arnaud> sorry, what's the plan for CR?
17:35:44 <annbass> ... one point: this is the first time I'll be publishing a WD on my own, have a few questions for sandro
17:36:18 <annbass> tantek: goal is to get wider review, via WD .. then act accordingly
17:36:27 <annbass> ... hopefully next week
17:36:37 <annbass> ... if no issues are raised, then try to take this to CR
17:36:57 <annbass> arnaud: thanks; good to have timeframe
17:36:58 <eprodrom> Agreed!
17:37:18 <tantek> zakim, who is here?
17:37:18 <Zakim> Present: tantek, aaronpk, shevski, sandro, eprodrom, ben_thatmust, annbass, Arnaud, KevinMarks
17:37:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, eprodrom, shepazu, annbass, shevski, tantek, jasnell, ben_thatmustbeme, KevinMarks, Loqi, Arnaud, cwebber2, bigbluehat, strugee, aaronpk, raucao, wilkie,
17:37:21 <Zakim> ... wseltzer, sandro, trackbot, rrika, rhiaro, jet, tsyesika, dwhly, ElijahLynn, tessierashpool_, bitbear
17:37:28 <annbass> tantek: social web protocols .. is rhiaro on call?
17:37:39 <rhiaro> aaany second now
17:37:53 <annbass> sandro: she says she's on really low bandwidth
17:37:59 <annbass> ... she's traveling
17:38:08 <annbass> tantek: ok .. we'll go on
17:38:25 <annbass> ... ActivityPub? ChrisWebber?
17:38:41 <annbass> cwebber2:  I'm just moving house, therefore all of this is in boxes
17:39:14 <annbass> ... if I recall, we requested people to review Editors Draft .. unclear
17:39:37 <annbass> ... Let's ask people to review it this week
17:39:49 <tantek> http://w3c-social.github.io/activitypub/
17:39:59 <annbass> ... hope that's the correct link
17:39:59 <ben_thatmustbeme> thats it
17:40:17 <aaronpk> q+
17:40:22 <tantek> ack aaronpk
17:40:31 <annbass> REQUEST: review that work, we will discuss next week if it's in good shape to publish
17:40:53 <annbass> aaronpk: that page has January date .. is that actually the most current one?
17:41:21 <rhiaro> present+ rhiaro
17:41:23 <annbass> cwebber2:  (only on phone; can't check right now) .. I'll check it later.. I suspect it's up-to-date, and we forgot to update the date
17:41:32 <annbass> tantek: 2 requests:
17:41:50 <annbass> ... 1. link to XYZ
17:41:58 <annbass> ... 2. add change log?
17:42:03 <aaronpk> s/XYZ/editor's draft
17:42:16 <tantek> q?
17:42:45 <annbass> cwebber2 will send email if there is actually a different link
17:42:58 <annbass> tantek: appears rhiaro is now on .. what's up?
17:43:21 <annbass> rhiaro: sorry, not caught up yet .. should have updated Editor's Draft by next week
17:43:28 <annbass> ... then have week to review
17:43:39 <annbass> tantek: Micropub? aaronpk?
17:44:08 <annbass> aaronpk:  last draft dated May 4 .. I still have some bits to update
17:44:29 <annbass> ... but also testing "media type", that we discussed awhile ago .. thin
17:44:43 <annbass> ... thinking about adding that to the next Editors Draft
17:44:45 <aaronpk> s/"media type"/"media endpoint"
17:45:01 <annbass> ... plan to have that available by our call next week
17:45:11 <annbass> tantek: great;
17:45:19 <ben_thatmustbeme> nice
17:45:45 <annbass> ... last document is mine .. haven't gotten to it
17:45:58 <annbass> ... hoping to work on it either right before, or during F2F
17:46:04 <annbass> ... any new agenda items?
17:46:16 <sandro> http://doodle.com/poll/7m36c38q5rgrtgi5
17:46:22 <ben_thatmustbeme> sandro++
17:46:24 <Loqi> sandro has 31 karma
17:46:29 <annbass> sandro: I made doodle poll, for chairs and aaron .. for that meeting
17:47:22 <ben_thatmustbeme> s/7m36c38q5rgrtgi5/hidden/
17:47:27 <annbass> ... it will be Ralph or Philippe as Director, and Wendy Seltzer as manager responsible for this work
17:47:46 <annbass> tantek: OK, looks like the end
17:47:57 <tantek> q?
17:48:10 <eprodrom> tantek++
17:48:12 <Loqi> tantek has 291 karma
17:48:15 <eprodrom> annbass++
17:48:16 <Loqi> annbass has 2 karma
17:48:17 <eprodrom> Thanks everyone
17:48:22 <shevski> thanks tantek & annbass & all (woo)
17:48:29 <annbass> :-)
17:48:31 <tantek> annbass++ thanks for minuting!
17:48:32 <Loqi> annbass has 3 karma
17:48:49 <annbass> remind me (100th time) what's the command to get the minutes?
17:49:39 <annbass> thanks ..
17:49:43 <tantek> trackbot, end meeting
17:49:43 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:49:43 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been tantek, aaronpk, shevski, sandro, eprodrom, ben_thatmust, annbass, Arnaud, KevinMarks, rhiaro
17:49:45 <annbass> rrsagent, make minutes
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17:49:51 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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