20:58:03 RRSAgent has joined #sdwssn 20:58:03 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-irc 20:58:05 present+ SimonCox 20:58:05 RRSAgent, make logs world 20:58:05 Zakim has joined #sdwssn 20:58:07 Zakim, this will be SDW 20:58:07 ok, trackbot 20:58:08 Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference 20:58:08 Date: 17 May 2016 20:58:14 zakim, code? 20:58:15 I have been told this is SDW 20:58:18 present+ kerry 20:58:24 regrets+ ScottSimmons 20:58:28 present 20:58:46 present+ SimonCox 20:58:48 present+ DanhLePhuoc 20:58:54 ahaller2 has joined #sdwssn 20:59:06 RaulGarciaCastro has joined #sdwssn 20:59:41 robin has joined #sdwssn 20:59:48 present+ robin 20:59:49 Webex password rejected 20:59:56 present+ ByronCinNZ 21:00:10 zakim, this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mb5ce4073e5faccf02502083c23834e30 pw sdwssn Meeting no. 647 066 501 (+1-617-324-0000 ) 21:00:10 got it, phila 21:00:19 SimonCox: sdwssn 21:01:10 present+ RaulGarciaCastro 21:01:11 ClausStadler has joined #sdwssn 21:01:26 JRamsay has joined #sdwssn 21:01:43 SefkiKolozali_Unis has joined #sdwssn 21:01:44 present+ kjanowic 21:01:53 chair: Kerry 21:02:36 present SefkiKolozali_Unis 21:02:45 present+ SefkiKolozali_Unis 21:03:04 scribe: simon 21:03:05 scribenick+ SImonCox 21:03:16 i am having troubles connecting, the phone keeps dropping 21:03:22 scribeNick: SimonCox 21:03:43 roba has joined #sdwssn 21:03:49 present+ JRamsay 21:04:16 present+ roba 21:04:20 present+ ClausStadler 21:04:25 josh has joined #sdwssn 21:04:36 present+ ahaller2 21:04:36 Cannot get the webex password to work 21:04:53 topic: approve minutes http://www.w3.org/2016/05/03-sdwssn-minutes 21:04:57 same name as the channel without the '#' 21:05:06 +1 21:05:10 +1 21:05:17 motion: approve minutes 21:05:18 +1 21:05:20 +1 21:05:22 +1 21:05:23 +1 21:05:43 q+ kerry 21:05:48 ack kerry 21:06:06 resolved: approve minutes 21:06:18 item: patent call 21:06:24 topic: patent call 21:06:32 patent call: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call 21:07:09 no patent items. 21:07:16 topic: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call 21:07:25 Phila-offline has joined #sdwssn 21:07:31 q+ 21:08:08 topic: review FPWD http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/ 21:08:27 topic: Documentation section 4 21:08:36 ack SimonCox 21:08:39 Apologies - BT Broadband problems (the two are synonymous) 21:10:01 SimonCox - concerned that documentation e.g. http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#d4e892 21:10:10 phila has joined #sdwssn 21:10:16 still makes reference to 'Situation' which is DUL concept 21:10:50 present+ phila 21:11:53 Kerry: yes, still based on the original SSN documentation 21:11:57 q+ 21:12:02 q+ 21:12:21 ack SimonCox 21:12:41 SimonCox: Maybe add more warning to main clear that this documentation will be replaced (in some places). 21:12:51 s/main/make 21:12:59 +1 for a caveat on top 21:13:22 q+ 21:13:26 Action: Danh to add caveat related to documentation replacement 21:13:26 Created ACTION-170 - Add caveat related to documentation replacement [on Danh Le Phuoc - due 2016-05-24]. 21:14:04 Danh: Some missing pieces of documentation, e.g. skos:exactMatch? 21:14:11 would have to be done manually 21:15:03 action: danh to write a caveat around ssn doc section to go into ed draft to explain the doc will change in accordance with changes of the ontology but refelct ssn as it was 21:15:03 Created ACTION-171 - Write a caveat around ssn doc section to go into ed draft to explain the doc will change in accordance with changes of the ontology but refelct ssn as it was [on Danh Le Phuoc - due 2016-05-24]. 21:15:18 q? 21:15:18 some dc:source information is not carried through to automatically generated LODE documentation 21:16:02 Kerry: since documentation is only in 'annotation' properties does not matter ... 21:16:25 q? 21:16:27 q? 21:16:31 ack josh 21:17:35 josh: fine as long as we agreed that this draft will not later limit our proposed changes. 21:17:38 josh: conflicting priorities - intent to re-factor (modular, O&M alignment, PROV alignment) vs. need to get FPWD out, despite content issues - we are wll clear that FPWD is not a constraint on future revisions 21:18:15 q+ 21:18:59 ack ahaller2 21:19:03 http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Work Plan and 'Status' section 21:19:10 ack ahaller2 21:19:57 I did a *lot* of manual editing... so I probably introduced more than one error. 21:20:04 Aren't we running into problems by rushing this; If we put out the FPWD and people start commenting on issues that will not make it into the final version anyway? 21:20:13 Armin: typo in condition description? 21:20:19 is *so* last century... 21:20:30 +1 @KJanowic 21:20:32 action: danh to fix "dition" class 21:20:33 Created ACTION-172 - Fix "dition" class [on Danh Le Phuoc - due 2016-05-24]. 21:20:54 q? 21:21:12 ack ahaller 21:21:17 ack SefkiKolozali_Unis 21:21:24 ack Sefki 21:22:24 Sefki saying that ssn is only human-readable, nor machine readable 21:23:48 Sefki: propose major refactor for 'timeline' support 21:24:13 q+ 21:24:22 q- 21:24:44 @KJanowic - do you want to join q? 21:25:07 " Aren't we running into problems by rushing this; If we put out the FPWD and people start commenting on issues that will not make it into the final version anyway?" 21:25:24 q? 21:25:55 q+ 21:26:02 ack KJanowic 21:26:48 KJanowic: group agrees that there will be major changes, so should not issue working draft, so as not to waste people's time commenting? 21:27:49 Kerry: group lifetime is a pressure - need to publish early and often - plenty of precedent for draftier drafts in W3C 21:28:07 Purpose of FPWD is to solicit comment 21:28:39 Timeline was set in Dec 2015, Feb 2016 21:28:50 ALready one month late 21:29:07 q? 21:29:11 q+ 21:29:12 There is no realistic alternative ... 21:29:39 My question was about local restrictions vs global restrictions. Since SSN Ontology is using global restrictions, SSN Ontology is missing domain and range definitions for properties. This can causes some problem when one is parsing the ontology or mapping the ontology into a library. 21:29:39 ack ahaller 21:29:42 ... but must be sure of support for publishing current draft 21:30:21 +q 21:30:35 @Sefki: guarded domain and range restrictions were added on purpose vs global domains and ranges 21:30:44 Armin: add comment that modularization does not yet represent the ultimate intention 21:31:00 Kerry: all in http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Work Plan 21:31:34 Armin: modularization until now only relates to splitting out DOLCE, not the other re-factoring 21:31:51 Needs to be in introductory/scoping section 21:31:57 Task: Armin to write words to explain intentions around modularization, RDFS 21:31:58 action: armin to write a little more about modul,arisation re currnet state 21:31:58 Created ACTION-173 - Write a little more about modul,arisation re currnet state [on Armin Haller - due 2016-05-24]. 21:32:05 q? 21:32:18 topic: URL for SSN & SSN-DUL 21:32:40 Currently https://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/ 21:33:07 q? 21:33:37 topic: Modularisation section 3 21:33:41 Topic: modularization 21:33:58 http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Modularisation 21:34:54 q+ 21:34:59 SimonCox - segmentation text is rather hard to read - could it be improved (examples?) 21:35:05 action: armin to add examples to modularisation 21:35:05 Created ACTION-174 - Add examples to modularisation [on Armin Haller - due 2016-05-24]. 21:35:16 q? 21:35:24 q+ 21:35:26 ack kerry 21:35:27 s/SimonCox - s/SimonCox: s/ 21:35:43 SimonCox - 'horizontal' vs 'vertical' a bit abstract 21:36:08 q? 21:36:20 ack roba 21:36:25 +1 - the spatial analogy has little meaning. Axiomatic versus subclass dimensions makes more sense 21:36:25 ack roba 21:37:12 I simply forgot to consider that, sorry. Happy to change this. 21:37:30 q+ 21:37:42 q- 21:37:48 q? 21:37:57 ack SimonCox 21:38:12 The wiki ahaller2 pointed to: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SSN_core_modules 21:38:20 q+ 21:39:02 q? 21:39:08 q+ 21:39:09 ack KJanowic 21:39:20 +1 21:39:23 q? 21:39:30 ack ahaller2 21:40:22 Armin: "/" URIs proposed to best support modularization 21:40:36 ... including URIs for modules 21:40:46 q? 21:40:50 ack ahaller2 21:40:57 ack ahaller 21:41:07 Work Plan section 5 21:41:24 Topic: Work Plan Section 5 21:41:31 RRSAgent, make logs public 21:41:33 http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#WorkPlan 21:41:37 RRSAgent, draft minutes 21:41:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html phila 21:42:29 q? 21:43:26 q+ 21:43:38 topic: Any other burning and essential FPWD issue 21:44:25 no reponse 21:44:48 ack s 21:44:51 ack SefkiKolozali_Unis 21:44:57 q+ 21:45:09 SefkiKolozali_Unis: relationship with sensors/IoT 21:45:27 ... still unclear how to contribute 21:46:41 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Proposals_for_rewriting_SSN 21:47:44 q+ 21:48:22 ack DanhLePhuoc 21:48:22 q? 21:49:03 DanhLePhuoc: add diagrams in Section 4 to explain relationship to patterns etc 21:49:08 Kerry: too late 21:49:35 ... but if you can add diagrams to Wiki, will be added to next version 21:49:48 q? 21:49:58 ack SimonCox 21:50:56 +1 for SamplingFeature. I also added this to the SSN core proposal: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SSN_core_modules 21:51:36 q+ to talk about issues 21:51:37 Action: Kerry to add Sampling Features in Issue biox 21:51:37 Created ACTION-175 - Add sampling features in issue biox [on Kerry Taylor - due 2016-05-24]. 21:51:38 Perhaps it just seems something to do "after" re-factoring 21:51:41 q+ 21:51:49 action: kerry to put issue box around sampling features 21:51:49 Created ACTION-176 - Put issue box around sampling features [on Kerry Taylor - due 2016-05-24]. 21:51:58 q? 21:52:01 q? 21:52:08 ack phila 21:52:08 phila, you wanted to talk about issues 21:53:05 phila: make formally tracked issues consistently 21:54:04 ... it is essential that issues are tracked, and that we link to them 21:54:51 WHat is mechanics to add items to tracker? 21:54:57 w3c tracker it is 21:55:49 issue: Align SSN to to implement Best Practices as defined in our BP deliverable. 21:55:49 Created ISSUE-42 - Align ssn to to implement best practices as defined in our bp deliverable.. Please complete additional details at . 21:56:13 issue: Add treatment of Sampling Features in SSN 21:56:13 Created ISSUE-43 - Add treatment of sampling features in ssn. Please complete additional details at . 21:57:00 q? 21:57:01 q? 21:57:05 ack DanhLePhuoc 21:59:20 q? 21:59:37 bye 21:59:43 josh has left #sdwssn 22:01:13 Thanks, bye bye 22:01:23 hi byron 22:01:24 bye 22:01:26 bye 22:01:27 bye 22:01:29 Bye! 22:01:35 RRSAgent, draft minutes 22:01:35 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html phila 22:02:59 bye 22:10:18 issue: Justify why we are changing SSN at all 22:10:18 Created ISSUE-44 - Justify why we are changing ssn at all. Please complete additional details at . 22:21:28 issue: The DUL alignment in the proposed FPWD does not yet reflect the recent change to the namespace of DUL itself. 22:21:28 Created ISSUE-45 - The dul alignment in the proposed fpwd does not yet reflect the recent change to the namespace of dul itself.. Please complete additional details at . 22:23:29 issue: Should the movement of Sensor become a direct subclass of dul:Object? 22:23:29 Created ISSUE-46 - Should the movement of sensor become a direct subclass of dul:object?. Please complete additional details at . 22:24:14 issue: A thorough check on annotation properties needs to be made 22:24:14 Created ISSUE-47 - A thorough check on annotation properties needs to be made. Please complete additional details at . 22:25:05 issue: Will SSN core be an RDFS-only vocabulary with modular extensions supporting both expanded terms and expanded expressiveness in the ontology language? 22:25:06 Created ISSUE-48 - Will ssn core be an rdfs-only vocabulary with modular extensions supporting both expanded terms and expanded expressiveness in the ontology language?. Please complete additional details at . 22:26:12 issue: Consider splitting the ontology into smaller sections to offer simplified access 22:26:12 Created ISSUE-49 - Consider splitting the ontology into smaller sections to offer simplified access. Please complete additional details at . 22:26:29 issue: How do we replace those components 22:26:29 Created ISSUE-50 - How do we replace those components. Please complete additional details at . 22:26:29 of dul that seem to be core to ssn if dul is not being used? 22:26:46 issue: How do we replace those components 22:26:46 of dul that seem to be core to ssn if dul is not being used? 22:26:46 Created ISSUE-51 - How do we replace those components. Please complete additional details at . 22:30:07 issue: What goes in SSN and what should bee just a recommended profile/extract/extension? 22:30:08 Created ISSUE-52 - What goes in ssn and what should bee just a recommended profile/extract/extension?. Please complete additional details at . 22:30:36 issue: Align SSN with PROV-O 22:30:37 Created ISSUE-53 - Align ssn with prov-o. Please complete additional details at . 22:31:18 issue: Is it ok to use SWRL or would it be better to make some bigger changes to SSN to align with PROV-O? 22:31:19 Created ISSUE-54 - Is it ok to use swrl or would it be better to make some bigger changes to ssn to align with prov-o?. Please complete additional details at . 22:31:54 issue: Align SSN with RDF datacube 22:31:55 Created ISSUE-55 - Align ssn with rdf datacube. Please complete additional details at . 22:32:11 issue: SSN for IoT devices 22:32:11 Created ISSUE-56 - Ssn for iot devices. Please complete additional details at . 22:32:31 issue: Align SSN with the ontology developed for the coverage deliverable 22:32:31 Created ISSUE-57 - Align ssn with the ontology developed for the coverage deliverable. Please complete additional details at . 22:32:49 issue: Extend SSN to to cover requirements identified in our UCR 22:32:49 Created ISSUE-58 - Extend ssn to to cover requirements identified in our ucr. Please complete additional details at . 22:34:33 issue: Extend SSN to to cover requirements identified in our wish List 22:34:34 Created ISSUE-59 - Extend ssn to to cover requirements identified in our wish list. Please complete additional details at . 22:34:57 issue: Review annotation properties, including multilingual. Fix typos and spelling 22:34:58 Created ISSUE-60 - Review annotation properties, including multilingual. fix typos and spelling. Please complete additional details at . 22:35:54 issue: Extend SSN to cover https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Working_Use_Cases#Various_Sensor_Use_Cases_.28SSN.29 22:35:54 Created ISSUE-61 - Extend ssn to cover https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/working_use_cases#various_sensor_use_cases_.28ssn.29. 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