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13:05:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:05:58 <trackbot> Date: 13 May 2016
13:06:06 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160513
13:06:43 <riccardoAlbertoni_> you should appoint a scribe i guess
13:07:21 <annette_g> I can scribe
13:07:42 <annette_g> PROPOSED: Approve last week's minutes
13:07:47 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2016/05/06-dwbp-minutes
13:07:52 <yaso> +1
13:07:53 <ericstephan> +1
13:08:05 <Caroline> +0 I wasn't in the meeting
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13:08:12 <annette_g> +1
13:08:16 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +0 (I was not present)
13:08:23 <BernadetteLoscio> present+ BernadetteLoscio
13:08:26 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
13:08:30 <newton> +1
13:08:37 <annette_g> RESOLVED: Approve last week's minutes
13:09:16 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
13:09:29 <ericstephan> there is an echo
13:09:42 <ericstephan> echo echo
13:09:43 <laufer> present+ laufer
13:09:53 <yaso> Hi laufer !
13:10:05 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page
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13:10:07 <laufer> hi yaso, all
13:10:07 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  yes, we've been through the document and have been making all the changes
13:10:12 <gatemezi> hi all
13:10:18 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered_in_the_last_call_working_draft
13:10:25 <yaso> Hi gatemezi
13:10:46 <gatemezi> Hi yaso
13:12:56 <gatemezi> Zakim, who's speaking?
13:12:56 <Zakim> I am sorry, gatemezi; I don't have the necessary resources to track talkers right now
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13:13:35 <gatemezi> Present+ gatemezi
13:13:57 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  I think we are really near to the final version of the document, and it's time to get feedback from the community.
13:14:25 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  thanks to Annette for finding a lot of little things.
13:14:45 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  special thanks to Phil for work in correcting the English and improving the text.
13:14:49 <yaso> q+
13:14:54 <yaso> q-
13:15:15 <annette_g> q+
13:15:22 <yaso> ack annette_g
13:15:41 <yaso> annette_g: there are still few small thing to fix,
13:16:02 <yaso> ... the email from yesterday, talking w/eric
13:16:03 <ericstephan> real time access
13:16:08 <yaso> ... real time access
13:16:18 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: they are in the docs already
13:16:26 <newton> q+
13:16:31 <yaso> ack newton
13:16:51 <annette_g> annette_g:  there are still a few small things.
13:16:56 <ericstephan> q+
13:16:57 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  what?
13:17:14 <annette_g> annette_g:  real-time stuff with Eric
13:17:16 <yaso> ack ericstephan
13:17:52 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
13:18:03 <yaso> q+
13:18:07 <yaso> q-
13:18:13 <annette_g> ericstephan: sorry for getting in my change late. It was changing the implementation text. I used the language Annette provided, and some of the examples in the article you provided.
13:18:18 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
13:18:25 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  anything else to fix?
13:18:25 <yaso> scribe: annette_g
13:19:09 <gatemezi> Annette maybe in PR #396 https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/pull/396/files#diff-0
13:20:01 <BernadetteLoscio> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#challenges
13:20:16 <newton> maybe it's cache
13:20:35 <yaso> q?
13:20:49 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
13:20:50 <annette_g> annette_g:  sorry, I was looking at an older version
13:20:59 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
13:21:21 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  do you want to review the real-time implementation?
13:21:28 <yaso> q?
13:21:30 <annette_g> annette_g:  no, at this point we should just move forward
13:21:49 <annette_g> PROPOSED: to publish the Best Practices document
13:21:52 <gatemezi> +1 to annette_g
13:21:56 <yaso> +1
13:22:03 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
13:22:04 <annette_g> +1
13:22:05 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1
13:22:05 <laufer> +1
13:22:08 <gatemezi> +1
13:22:09 <Caroline> +1
13:22:16 <newton> +1
13:22:17 <ericstephan> +1
13:22:28 <EricKauz> +1
13:22:40 <annette_g> RESOLVED: to publish the Best Practices document
13:22:44 <laufer> q+
13:22:45 <yaso> o?
13:22:47 <yaso> o/
13:22:54 <BernadetteLoscio> great! thanks!
13:22:55 <yaso> ack laufer
13:23:11 <ericstephan> good point laufer
13:23:35 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
13:23:37 <annette_g> laufer:  we should note that Antoine and Deirdre have voted by email
13:23:50 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
13:24:03 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  the turtle file needs to be updated
13:24:10 <riccardoAlbertoni_> Congrats ! and thanks for all the work Bp editors have done ..
13:24:25 <yaso> q?
13:24:29 <gatemezi> Big thanks to the editors and reviewers
13:24:31 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  Is it okay that we make the changes and send to the group?
13:24:39 <riccardoAlbertoni_> yes, ok for me
13:24:39 <BernadetteLoscio> ok! thanks!!!
13:24:44 <annette_g> yaso:  I think it's okay. any concerns?
13:24:51 <yaso> q?
13:25:05 <annette_g> yaso:  any concerns about the BP document?
13:25:09 <yaso> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
13:25:23 <yaso> topic: data quality vocab
13:25:23 <riccardoAlbertoni_> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
13:25:27 <annette_g> yaso:  Riccardo?
13:25:54 <ericstephan> yes
13:25:58 <annette_g> riccardoAlbertoni_:  Antoine and I have changed a lot of the draft since the last draft was published of DQV. We have some new contributors.
13:26:26 <yaso> q?
13:27:23 <annette_g> riccardoAlbertoni_:  main changes: we had a review of the model. quality certificate, quality policy are new.
13:27:44 <annette_g> We borrowed the property wasDerivedFrom from Prov-O
13:28:41 <annette_g> how to express questions about dataset quality, how to express that the dataset is given a quality rating, these kinds of examples were added.
13:28:59 <annette_g> It was reviewed by Andrea Perego.
13:29:39 <annette_g> The section about dimensions was changed to refer to classifications that were normal.
13:30:00 <annette_g> Anyone can invent their own or refer to existing quality dimensions.
13:31:33 <annette_g> We refer to classifications in the quality dimensions, updated the RDF file for the vocab. The only remaining issue needs the BP doc to be final.
13:31:34 <yaso> q?
13:31:59 <annette_g> yaso:  any other thoughts?
13:32:04 <yaso> q?
13:32:06 <annette_g> silence ensues
13:32:30 <yaso> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
13:32:40 <annette_g> yaso:  thanks Riccardo and contributors!
13:32:56 <annette_g> PROPOSED: to publish the Data Quality Vocabulary
13:33:04 <ericstephan> +1
13:33:07 <annette_g> +1
13:33:08 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
13:33:11 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1
13:33:11 <laufer> +1
13:33:15 <EricKauz> +1
13:33:19 <yaso> +1
13:33:19 <newton> +1
13:33:27 <Caroline> +1
13:33:34 <annette_g> RESOLVED: to publish the Data Quality Vocabulary
13:33:35 <newton> congratulations Riccardo and Antoine :-)
13:33:35 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
13:33:36 <yaso> o/
13:33:42 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
13:34:23 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  I'd like to ask Annette to take a look at the html page for the API documentation. I changed it based on your suggestions, just to check that it's alright.
13:34:29 <yaso> q?
13:34:29 <gatemezi> +1
13:34:30 <annette_g> annette_g:  Sure, thanks!
13:34:36 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  thank you!
13:34:43 <BernadetteLoscio> congratulations!!!!
13:34:59 <yaso> topic: Dataset Usage Vocabulary
13:35:03 <annette_g> yaso:  next up, DUV
13:35:05 <ericstephan> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html
13:36:56 <BernadetteLoscio> its ok ;)
13:37:03 <annette_g> ericstephan:  the changes have been thoroughly minor. Most were made and completed in March. One of the things we did in the turtle file was to redefine some third-party classes, so we removed those from the ttl tile. We removed domain and range constraints and added usage recommendations to show how properties might be used instead. The examples all were changed, and they were aligned with the examples in the BP doc. BernadetteLoscio had made some suggesti[CUT]
13:37:21 <annette_g> ericstephan:  we also have some input from the Force11 conference.
13:37:30 <yaso> q?
13:37:43 <yaso> Hi hadleybeeman
13:37:44 <yaso> !
13:37:45 <annette_g> q+
13:37:52 <yaso> ack annette_g
13:38:10 <annette_g> annette_g:  can you give detail on the Force11 input.
13:38:43 <yaso> hadleybeeman, I'll be glad to share the task :-)
13:38:54 <annette_g> ericstephan:  it was more questions about how they could use it in their own applications. There was some concern about reusing vocabularies and that the model was complex.
13:38:55 <hadleybeeman> sounds good, yaso!
13:39:09 <yaso> great then, go ahead :-D
13:39:21 <yaso> chair: yaso
13:39:22 <yaso> oops
13:39:25 <yaso> chair: hadleybeeman
13:39:57 <yaso> (muted me so we don't have echo)
13:40:23 <annette_g> ericstephan:  I don't know how to deal with a challenge like that. Maybe it's a matter of describing the concepts thoroughly. I contacted Sylvio Peroni, author of the SPAR ontologies. He said he really supported what we did. I think it's a challenge that we're always going to have with regard to adoption.
13:40:24 <yaso> gatemezi, :-) it's the good part on having 3 chairs
13:40:31 <riccardoAlbertoni_> hi hadleybeeman ..
13:40:42 <yaso> poor Zakim :-/
13:40:47 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  sorry, my previous meeting ran over. well done!
13:41:12 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  how much more discussion do we need before we vote?
13:41:33 <annette_g> yaso:  we were just hearing Eric's explanation about the DUV changes.
13:41:38 <ericstephan> :-)
13:41:41 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  does anyone have any concerns?
13:41:53 <ericstephan> Great thanks gatemezi
13:41:57 <ericstephan> ;-)
13:42:12 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  Is everyone happy with DUV?
13:42:14 <ericstephan> q+
13:42:17 <annette_g> annette_g:  :)
13:42:21 <gatemezi> yes
13:42:23 <hadleybeeman> ack ericstephan
13:43:01 <annette_g> ericstephan:  one thing I would like to do but haven't been able to do is show how DUV tracks the BP doc, show the rationale behind what we did.
13:43:13 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  as a separate note or in DUV?
13:43:31 <hadleybeeman> q+
13:43:38 <annette_g> ericstephan:  it might be nice to have it in the DUV as a way to cite why we did what we did.
13:43:43 <annette_g> is that odd?
13:43:43 <hadleybeeman> ack me
13:44:29 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  personally, if it's something an implementer needs to know to use the vocab or understand it, it goes in the doc. If it's meta-information, it's more useful and clearer in a separate document.
13:44:52 <annette_g> ericstephan:  I was thinking of just doing our due diligence to coordinate with our entire effort.
13:45:02 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  I think it depends how thorough you want to be.
13:45:24 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  If it's paragraphs per section, that's a separate doc.
13:45:39 <annette_g> ericstephan:  it's kind of a table of contents for the overall activity.
13:45:47 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  that's certainly something we can do.
13:46:03 <annette_g> ericstephan:  I'd like to show that somewhere
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13:46:39 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  yes, we just need to make sure it's addressing needs, doesn't compromise people's ability to use the doc
13:46:52 <ericstephan_> wow
13:47:03 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  any other comments about this doc?
13:47:07 <annette_g> silence ensues
13:47:15 <yaso> great!
13:47:27 <annette_g> PROPOSED: to publish the Data Usage Vocabulary
13:47:30 <hadleybeeman> +1
13:47:34 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
13:47:36 <ericstephan_> +1
13:47:36 <laufer> +1
13:47:37 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1
13:47:38 <EricKauz> +1
13:47:38 <annette_g> +1
13:47:39 <newton> +1
13:47:42 <gatemezi> +1
13:47:43 <Caroline> +1
13:48:00 <yaso> +1
13:48:16 <ericstephan_> zakim isn't sure about me now there is another version of me without the underscore
13:48:20 <annette_g> RESOLVED: to publish the Data Usage Vocabulary
13:48:22 <BernadetteLoscio> :)
13:48:23 <yaso> o/
13:48:25 <newton> :-(
13:48:26 <BernadetteLoscio> great!!!!
13:48:27 <annette_g> :)
13:48:28 <newton> ops, :-)
13:48:32 <ericstephan_> :-)
13:48:33 <newton> I'm happy!
13:48:33 <laufer> congrats all,  and thanks too. it is a very happy day
13:48:38 <yaso> lol
13:48:44 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  congratulations to all the contributors!
13:48:45 <ericstephan_> This is a first 3 in one meeting
13:48:57 <BernadetteLoscio> congratulations all!!!
13:49:08 <ericstephan_> close early
13:49:10 <yaso> true!
13:49:13 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  do we want to work through issues or close early?
13:49:14 <riccardoAlbertoni_> huge victory
13:49:20 <annette_g> yaso:  close early
13:49:25 <Caroline> congratulations!!! Great job all!!!
13:49:26 <ericstephan_> thank you!
13:49:35 <yaso> thank you all! Congrats! all voted :-D
13:49:39 <ericstephan_> congratulations and have a good weekend
13:49:39 <yaso> bye all
13:49:41 <riccardoAlbertoni_> thanks all .. have a nice week end
13:49:44 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  everyone's been working really hard. You earned your 12 minutes!
13:49:45 <laufer> bye all
13:49:52 <annette_g> bye all!
13:50:00 <gatemezi> Thanks chairs hadleybeeman and others
13:51:16 <gatemezi> bye all
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