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16:25:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
16:25:56 <trackbot> Date: 12 May 2016
16:26:17 <Rich> chair: Rich
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16:28:06 <MichielBijl> regrets+ MichielBijl
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16:37:29 <jemma> present+ mattking
16:37:39 <jemma> present+joanie
16:37:51 <jemma> present+ joanie
16:38:22 <cyns> present+ cyns
16:38:31 <jemma> *thanks for your help joanie
16:38:33 <joanie> present- joanie
16:38:59 <jemma> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:39:26 <jemma> Chair:Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:40:28 <jemma> Topic:combo box
16:41:11 <jemma> group is talking about combo box email correspondence
16:41:47 <jemma> Rich: not sure what AT will implement
16:42:18 <jemma> bryan: current implementation is working so worried about change in case it breaks something
16:42:58 <jemma> mat: if we use "should" for conformance, it would work
16:43:06 <jemma> rich: I prefer "should"
16:44:28 <jemma> rich: does not like to put this in cfc again
16:44:39 <jemma> rich: we can look into combo box now
16:45:03 <janina_> present+ Janina
16:45:04 <Rich> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#combobox
16:45:22 <Rich> The ARIA 1.0 specification describes a combobox pattern where a text input element has the combobox role and owns a listbox element. User agents and assistive technologies SHOULD continue to support the ARIA 1.0 pattern so that existing implementations of the ARIA 1.0 pattern remain functional.
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16:47:11 <jemma> matt: do we use the word, "conformance"?
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16:47:24 <jemma> matt: yes, we use it
16:47:29 <bgaraventa1979> present+ Bryan_Garaventa
16:47:33 <jemma> rich: it is really conformance checker
16:47:37 <Rich> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#conformance_checkers
16:47:55 <jemma> matt: joanie, will you change this?
16:48:40 <jemma> joanie: I am changing it now
16:49:13 <jemma> rich: I will create resolution
16:49:44 <jemma> rich: it is "should', not "must"
16:51:13 <Rich> Group: Agrees to include conformance checkers as the list of technologies that SHOULD allow a role of combobox on an input type fo text.
16:51:30 <bgaraventa1979> +1
16:51:30 <jemma> Topic: charing next week
16:52:14 <jemma> Rich: group have no objection for jania to chair the meting
16:52:29 <Rich> s/jania/janina/
16:52:46 <jemma> s/charing/chairing
16:53:20 <jemma> Rich: any progress for ARIA keyboard shortcut, matt?
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16:53:38 <jemma> Rich: can it be done before memorial week?
16:53:41 <jemma> matt: yes
16:53:45 <jamesn> present+ JamesNurthen
16:54:20 <jemma> Topic: actioin item 1747
16:54:26 <Rich> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action-1743/aria/aria.html#aria-activedescendant
16:54:32 <jemma> s/actionin/action
16:55:28 <jemma> matt: first change is in definition itself
16:56:26 <jemma> matt: second change is "author must" statement in third paragraph
16:58:03 <jemma> matt: "Authors must ensure that one of the following two sets of conditions is met when setting the value of aria-activedescendant on an element with DOM focus:" with specific condition and examples
16:58:33 <jemma> rich: is there a tree widget?
16:59:08 <jemma> rich: is there a tree widget in Inherits into Roles?
16:59:55 <jemma> Rich:I am making sure about the section, "Inherits into Roles"
17:00:12 <jemma> Joanie: It looks more clear to me with bulleted list items
17:00:47 <jemma> rich: any objections for Matt's proposal?
17:00:51 <joanie> s/Joanie: It/Cynthia: It/
17:00:58 <jemma> Jemma: no objection
17:01:21 <Rich> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action-1743/aria/aria.html#application
17:01:39 <Rich> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action-1743/aria/aria.html#aria-activedescendant
17:01:57 <jemma> Resolution: Accept Matt's revision for action 1743 covering changes to role=application and more
17:02:27 <jemma> s/and more/ details in the action
17:03:49 <jemma> Joanie: copied statement should go to AAM
17:04:06 <joanie> s/Joanie:/Cynthia:/
17:04:22 <jemma> s/copied/copied below/
17:04:46 <Rich> Group agrees to remove thest statements: “Some user agents use aria-activedescendant to tell assistive technologies that the active descendant has focus. User agents are not expected to validate that the active descendant is a descendant of the focused container. “
17:05:11 <Rich> from aria-aria-activedescendant
17:06:17 <Rich> Action: Cynthia Add this statement to the Core-AAM: “User agents are not expected to validate that the active descendant is a descendant of the focused container. “
17:06:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2065 - Add this statement to the core-aam: “user agents are not expected to validate that the active descendant is a descendant of the focused container. “ [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2016-05-19].
17:06:29 <Rich> action-2065?
17:06:29 <trackbot> action-2065 -- Cynthia Shelly to Add this statement to the core-aam: “user agents are not expected to validate that the active descendant is a descendant of the focused container. “ -- due 2016-05-19 -- OPEN
17:06:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2065
17:07:08 <jemma> Rich: will get out that for CFC
17:07:17 <jemma> Topic: action 2015
17:07:55 <jemma> s/action 2015/action 2059
17:08:12 <jemma> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2059
17:08:13 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2059
17:08:13 <joanie> action-2059
17:08:13 <trackbot> action-2059 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Add aria-posinset, aria-setsize as supported states and properties to roles: menutitem, menuitemcheckbox, and menuitemradio -- due 2016-05-05 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:08:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2059
17:08:28 <joanie> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action-2059/aria/aria.html#aria-posinset
17:08:36 <joanie> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action-2059/aria/aria.html#aria-setsize
17:08:42 <joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/ec2dd6d0
17:09:56 <jemma> Joanie: did not remove anything,  added about posinset, setsize about menuitem
17:10:10 <jemma> matt: we are going to ask user agent to do this?
17:10:24 <jemma> matt:because user agents do this things differently
17:10:32 <jemma> matt: this should author statement
17:10:41 <jemma> s/should/should be
17:11:50 <jemma> rich:it is more about mapping spec.
17:12:18 <jemma> Joanie: matt raise a good point
17:13:16 <Rich> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_additional_position
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17:14:11 <jemma> joanie: grouping, not with the sense of aria "group" starts differently in some browsers
17:14:26 <jemma> matt: can we create action for this item?
17:16:06 <jemma> Joanie: I am happy to give consultation to Joseph if Joseph has this action item.
17:16:33 <Rich> Action: Joseph include spec. text in 5.6.4 for automatic computation of posinset and setsize for menuitems and their subclasses.
17:16:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2066 - Include spec. text in 5.6.4 for automatic computation of posinset and setsize for menuitems and their subclasses. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2016-05-19].
17:16:47 <Rich> action-2066?
17:16:47 <trackbot> action-2066 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Include spec. text in 5.6.4 for automatic computation of posinset and setsize for menuitems and their subclasses. -- due 2016-05-19 -- OPEN
17:16:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2066
17:17:07 <jemma> Rich: any other changes to Joanie's proposal?
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17:18:31 <Rich> * https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action-2059/aria/aria.html#aria-posinset
17:18:32 <Rich> * https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action-2059/aria/aria.html#aria-setsize
17:18:40 <jemma> Resolutions: accept Joanie's proposal and send out cfc
17:19:02 <jemma> s/Resolutions/RESOLUTION/
17:19:23 <jemma> RESOLUTION: accept Joanie's proposal and send out cfc
17:20:27 <jemma> rich: no objections to Michael' proposal, host language conflicts.
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17:20:36 <Rich> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1489/aria/aria.html#host_general_conflict
17:21:13 <jemma> rich: 1489 resolved. michale, do we need add something more?
17:21:25 <jemma> michale: it looks good enough
17:22:16 <jemma> michale: do we need clarificaiton for dpub graphic roles?
17:22:29 <jemma> rich: we don't talk about this in spec. so do we need it here?
17:22:52 <jemma> michale: I would argue we may need that somewhere in spec.
17:23:23 <JF> +1 to M Cooper
17:23:43 <jemma> michale: there may be a question about how dpub graphic role is related to aria in the future.
17:24:05 <jemma> rich: we should just say "modular extention" in aria 1.1
17:24:35 <jemma> rich: do you want me leave it open?
17:25:00 <jemma> michale: it is done for now, I will just add it "modular extenion" here.
17:25:17 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIAExtensions
17:25:31 <jemma> rich: if you want to, you can also include the link to the modular extension.
17:26:13 <jemma> rich:michale will move to formal working draft.
17:27:56 <jemma> jania: it would be nice to have it as agenda for next week meeting in regards to michale's work.
17:28:05 <Rich> s/rich:michale/rich: Michael/
17:29:05 <Rich> RIch: I will add requirements to (action 1513) review of a public working draft next meeting
17:29:22 <jemma> Next itme
17:29:27 <jemma> Next item
17:30:34 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/648
17:30:35 <mck> action-2040?
17:30:35 <trackbot> action-2040 -- Michael Cooper to Modify section 7.4 to include role values as native host language semantics in paragraph 2 -- due 2016-03-17 -- OPEN
17:30:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2040
17:31:04 <jemma> TOPIC:action 2040
17:31:28 <jemma> rich: can you look at this next week, Michale?
17:31:35 <jemma> Michale:Yes
17:32:44 <jemma> TOPIC:Action 1624
17:32:54 <jemma> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1624
17:32:56 <mck> action-1624?
17:32:56 <trackbot> action-1624 -- Michael Cooper to Work with shane to develop publication strategy and solution that would exclude abstract roles for authors -- due 2016-03-17 -- OPEN
17:32:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1624
17:33:34 <jemma> rich: do you think this is an issue in Microsoft?
17:33:46 <jemma> cynthia:no
17:34:07 <jamesnurthen> q+ to say i think it is an issue
17:34:54 <jemma> Rich: I don't think this is not important issue.
17:35:02 <jemma> jn: I think it is.
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17:35:25 <jemma> rich: would rather to push to aria2.2
17:35:36 <JF> +1 to deferring to ARIA 2.0
17:35:41 <joanie> +1
17:35:44 <jemma> rich:any objection for moving this to aria 2.0?
17:36:05 <jemma> RESOLUTION: move this action 1624 to ARIA 2.0
17:36:13 <jemma> s/this/
17:36:33 <jamesnurthen> ack me
17:36:33 <Zakim> jamesnurthen, you wanted to say i think it is an issue
17:37:22 <jemma> s/I think it is/I think it is.
17:38:25 <jemma> TOPIC: action 1560
17:38:27 <Rich> q?
17:38:29 <jemma> action-1560
17:38:29 <trackbot> action-1560 -- Stefan Schnabel to Email list with discussion of on/off value labels (maybe valuetext?) and extending value descriptions to other controls -- due 2016-02-10 -- OPEN
17:38:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1560
17:38:36 <Rich> ack
17:38:40 <Rich> q?
17:38:46 <Rich> ack Rich
17:39:27 <jemma> joanie:I would not like to repurpose this
17:40:00 <joanie> q+ To say that *how* we expose it is irrelevant to user agents having already implemented switch
17:40:18 <jemma> matt: something like value description is similar role=description, it is not like aria described by like supplemental info.
17:40:20 <joanie> q- only
17:41:15 <jemma> matt:what is the scope of value description?
17:41:42 <jemma> joanie: it is supposed to be bigger scope when we recollect the meeting at TPAC
17:42:31 <Rich> q+
17:42:40 <joanie> ack me
17:42:40 <Zakim> joanie, you wanted to say that *how* we expose it is irrelevant to user agents having already implemented switch
17:43:45 <jemma> rich: I think customizing widget things is more of ARIA 2
17:44:02 <mck> +1 for moving to 2.0
17:44:09 <joanie> +1
17:44:13 <Rich> +1
17:44:23 <jemma> RESOLUTION: move action 1560 to ARIA 2.0
17:44:43 <Rich> Action-1560?
17:44:43 <trackbot> Action-1560 -- Stefan Schnabel to Email list with discussion of on/off value labels (maybe valuetext?) and extending value descriptions to other controls -- due 2016-02-10 -- OPEN
17:44:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1560
17:45:07 <jemma> TOPIC: clean up open action items
17:45:33 <mck> issue-619?
17:45:33 <trackbot> issue-619 -- ARIA 1.1 should disallow host languages from declaring @aria-label from being declared in direct semantic conflict with a host language attribute. -- open
17:45:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/619
17:46:14 <jemma> rich: action 619 is closed and addressed with 1489
17:46:58 <jemma> matt: this means anytime aria label present, you cannot override with alt or aria-labledby?
17:47:26 <jemma> rich: yes
17:47:45 <jemma> action - 648
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17:47:56 <jemma> action-648
17:47:56 <trackbot> Sorry, but action-648 does not exist.
17:48:14 <mck> issue-695?
17:48:14 <trackbot> issue-695 -- Clean up nits in the ARIA specification -- open
17:48:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/695
17:48:17 <jemma> group is going over open action items now
17:48:31 <mck> issue-701?
17:48:31 <trackbot> issue-701 -- Modify aria-owns such that the idref order pertains to the order of the associated children -- open
17:48:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/701
17:49:08 <jemma> matt: I think we already did this work.
17:49:22 <jemma> rich: I will make sure whether we did it one more time.
17:49:40 <Rich> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-owns
17:50:26 <jemma> rich: I don't see the change here.
17:51:40 <jemma> matt: I remember it is written somewhere.
17:51:50 <jamesnurthen> it is missing what to do if you have both aria-owns and DOM children
17:52:03 <jamesnurthen> (and the aim is to combine them)
17:52:23 <jemma> rich: who will take action on this?
17:52:56 <jemma> Action:James will try for next week
17:53:43 <Rich> action: jamesn write text to state the order of aria-owns ids wrt. the DOM child order and sequential aria-owns ids
17:53:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2067 - Write text to state the order of aria-owns ids wrt. the dom child order and sequential aria-owns ids [on James Nurthen - due 2016-05-19].
17:53:57 <Rich> Action-2067?
17:53:57 <trackbot> Action-2067 -- James Nurthen to Write text to state the order of aria-owns ids wrt. the dom child order and sequential aria-owns ids -- due 2016-05-19 -- OPEN
17:53:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2067
17:54:30 <jemma> joanie: do we really want to permit that?
17:54:37 <jemma> jn: yes
17:56:32 <bgaraventa1979> +q
17:56:42 <Rich> ack Rich
17:57:18 <jamesnurthen> I would also like to clarify whether child owned elements get pulled in via aria-owns
17:57:45 <jemma> bryan: I am working this with client now
17:58:40 <jemma> atcion-1006
17:58:49 <jemma> action-1006
17:58:49 <trackbot> Sorry, but action-1006 does not exist.
17:58:52 <Rich> issue-1006?
17:58:52 <trackbot> issue-1006 -- The roles that include children presentational = true are not consistent -- open
17:58:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1006
17:59:59 <Rich> Action: Bryan address issue 1106
18:00:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2068 - Address issue 1106 [on Bryan Garaventa - due 2016-05-19].
18:00:54 <jemma> bryan will bring this to the meeting next week.
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