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12:04:38 <dsr> meeting: Web of Things IG weekly meeting
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12:04:45 <dsr> chair: Johannes
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12:05:35 <dsr> scribenick: dsr
12:05:49 <dsr> Johannes runs through the agenda for today’s meeting.
12:05:49 <victor_charpenay> present+ Victor_Charpenay
12:05:54 <dape> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:06:51 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
12:07:02 <dsr> Any additions to the agenda?
12:07:04 <dsr> [no]
12:07:31 <dsr> Topic: Plugfest Requirements
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12:08:03 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_July_2016,_China,_Beijing#Thursday.2C_14th_of_July.2C_WoT_IG_Meeting Beijing f2f wiki
12:08:14 <dsr> Daniel: we would like to do some pretesting before travelling to Beijing.
12:08:38 <kaz> q+
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12:09:10 <michael> Daniel: please review and add any additional requirements
12:09:24 <dsr> We added a section to the wiki page for people to provide network requirements for the plugfest.
12:09:36 <dsr> Kaz: this includes whether people need access to the external Internet
12:09:58 <jhund> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_July_2016,_China,_Beijing#Requirements
12:10:28 <dsr> Daniel confirms that the link Kaz posted is the right one.
12:10:41 <kaz> s|https:|-> https:|
12:11:02 <kaz> s|Requirements|Requirements Plugfest Requirements section of the meeting wiki|
12:11:02 <dsr> The idea is to provide a checking tool for the Beijing team to verify that the network at the meeting venue meets our requirements.
12:11:27 <kaz> ack k
12:12:05 <dsr> Johannes: shows us the W3C action tracker (as linked from the IG webpage.
12:12:19 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/track/actions/open Action Tracker
12:13:55 <kaz> [ attendees so far: Dave, Johannes, Michael, Daniel, Darko, Frank, Joerg, Katsuyoshi, Kazuaki, Markus, Masato, Nan, Sebastian, Takuki, Toru, Victor ]
12:14:45 <dsr> Johannes: please add a bullet point to the wiki page on recent changes
12:15:03 <dsr> See https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_Page#Latest_Updates
12:15:31 <dsr> This is a high level summary of recent updates
12:16:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:16:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/11-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:16:25 <dsr> This should make it easier to track e.g. when documents are moved from the wiki to github or vice versa
12:16:45 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:16:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:16:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/11-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:17:28 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_July_2016,_China,_Beijing Beijing f2f wiki
12:17:36 <dsr> Johannes summarises the plan for the Beijing meetings
12:19:07 <dsr> There is a members only page for the suggestions for presentations for the open days
12:19:17 <jhund> https://www.w3.org/Member/wiki/WoT/WoT_F2F_201607
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12:20:35 <dsr> Dave reminds everyone to submit their request for a visa invitation letter, see:
12:20:37 <dsr> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_July_2016,_China,_Beijing#Visa_Invitation_Letters
12:21:29 <dsr> Johannes adds everyone should also register for logistical purposes: see https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WoTF2FJulyBeijing/
12:22:13 <dsr> Yingying: everyone who expecting to give a presentation should email me with a photo and a brief introduction for themselves
12:23:00 <kaz> scribenick: taki
12:23:17 <kaz> topic: Charter
12:23:18 <taki> DR: Matthias has been helping on GitHub.
12:23:35 <taki> DR: I sent it to the mailing list.
12:23:47 <taki> DR: Please comment on scope section.
12:23:56 <taki> DR: Also on deliverables.
12:24:13 <taki> DR: We can go through the proposed content.
12:24:14 <dape> q+
12:24:23 <kaz> q+
12:24:39 <dsr> ack da
12:25:02 <taki> DP: I want to tell you that Matthias wrote about making pull request.
12:25:19 <taki> DP: I can show it once during the call.
12:25:47 <taki> DR: Is everyone comfortable using GitHub?
12:25:48 <dsr> ack ka
12:26:25 <taki> KA: We should think about basic policy of updating charter.
12:26:51 <taki> DR: We already have list of deliverables.
12:27:09 <taki> KA: We need brief discussion about basic deliverables using 5 minutes.
12:27:22 <taki> KA: People maybe not very good at...
12:28:08 <taki> KA: It may be better to have chat, and reach consensus, instead of starting at GitHub.
12:28:28 <taki> KA: People may not be very good at directly using GitHub.
12:29:42 <taki> Sebastian: Dave wrote good introduction.
12:30:38 <taki> Sebastian: What is this group, and what do we want to achieve, we need those information.
12:32:03 <taki> JH: I am not sure if we can discuss all the details.
12:32:36 <taki> Sebastian: Four people made comments on Introduction section so far.
12:32:48 <kaz> q+
12:34:14 <taki> JH: As Kaz said, we need to reach high level consensus on the call.
12:34:33 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pulls Pull Requests
12:34:55 <kaz> -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-ig-2016.html draft IG Charter
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12:35:31 <taki> DR: we need to have stable charter in 2 or 3 weeks.
12:36:30 <taki> JH: We want to avoid that some people don't comment because of tooling difficulty.
12:36:43 <taki> DR: Please feel free to use email as well.
12:37:17 <taki> JH: It is totally valid way.
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12:37:58 <taki> JH: You can always see the latest charter from this link...
12:38:23 <jhund> http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-ig-2016.html
12:38:34 <kaz> q?
12:38:59 <taki> DR: We need to give a timeline.
12:39:11 <taki> DR: We need estimates as to when they will be published.
12:39:46 <taki> JH: Regarding rechartering, when we will have individual documents.
12:40:13 <taki> DR: We need to describe what we have done in the current charter period as SK mentioned.
12:40:17 <Joerg> q+
12:40:41 <taki> DR: The editors of those documents should provide estimates.
12:41:46 <taki> JH: We already have first versions.
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12:41:55 <taki> DR: We have editors draft.
12:42:11 <taki> DR: we need to publish formally.
12:42:50 <taki> JH: I will contact induvidual editors as to the release date estimation.
12:43:11 <taki> KA: We can publish the current version as is as the first version of Notes.
12:43:52 <taki> DR: The group needs to go through review in the group before publication.
12:44:03 <taki> DR: One week or two.
12:44:11 <taki> s/DR/KA/
12:44:23 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2012/11/webTVIGcharter.html web&tv ig charter
12:44:34 <jhund> ACTION on me to contact editors to provide a release date incl. a 1-week CFC
12:44:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-50 - Me to contact editors to provide a release date incl. a 1-week cfc [on Osamu Nakamura - due 2016-05-18].
12:44:41 <taki> KA: WebTV charter example is here...
12:45:07 <taki> KA: It didn't provide explicit schedule.
12:45:20 <taki> KA: Detailed information would be nicer.
12:45:56 <taki> KA: During IG call, who made pull request can introduce it during call.
12:46:08 <kaz> ack k
12:46:22 <taki> JH: We should have executive summary during call and decide what to do.
12:46:33 <taki> JH: Going over to WG charter now...
12:46:42 <Joerg> q-
12:47:03 <taki> JH: We have rendered document here...
12:47:28 <dape> q+
12:47:32 <kaz> s/During IG call, who/BTW, I wanted to make sure our procedure that during IG calls those who/
12:47:35 <kaz> q?
12:47:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:47:46 <taki> http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-wg-2016.html
12:48:23 <taki> DR: Michael proposed replacing one of those diagrams.
12:48:50 <taki> MK: Github issue I filed regarding transfer layer.
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12:49:46 <taki> MK: HTTP, COAP, MQTT should be included. If we have more transfer layer, we should use REST, and use them as transport layer.
12:49:47 <kaz> s/topic: Charter/topic: IG Charter/
12:50:17 <kaz> i/Going over/topic: WG Charter/
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12:51:04 <taki> DR: There are many protocols. What would be the criteria?
12:51:14 <taki> DR: Zigbee, KNX, etc.
12:52:21 <taki> MK: We should include those.
12:52:42 <taki> DR: Can you rephrase it for generality?
12:52:45 <taki> MK: Yes.
12:53:27 <taki> MK: I will plugin a table.
12:53:37 <dape> q+
12:55:15 <taki> Naka: My issue is thing description.
12:55:23 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/131 Naka-san's issue
12:55:26 <taki> Naka: There is no description about thing description.
12:55:41 <taki> Naka: Outside people may not understand. We should add a sentence.
12:56:13 <taki> Naka: second point is, 1st, 2nd, 3rd bullet about thing description should be reconstructed according to current practices.
12:57:13 <kaz> q+
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12:58:52 <taki> DP: about Micheael comment. I went over all issues, and created pull requests. We might want to merge them.
12:59:09 <taki> MK: I will do that.
12:59:21 <dsr> ack da
12:59:25 <dsr> ack ka
12:59:29 <toru> q+
12:59:47 <taki> KA: We should add IDs.
13:00:02 <taki> KA: in the template.
13:00:17 <kaz> s/IDs/IDs to all the headings (<h2>, <h3>, etc.)/
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13:00:43 <taki> Toru: Number #131.
13:00:44 <kaz> ack k
13:00:58 <taki> Toru: Both are addressing the same issue as Naka-san pointed out.
13:01:05 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/133 issue-133
13:01:19 <taki> JH: Should we merge?
13:01:37 <taki> Toru: Matthias's text is richer, and we should use it.
13:01:44 <taki> JH: I will merge.
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13:02:35 <taki> JH: We could go to other charter points...
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13:04:16 <taki> DP: Figure, and REST and transfer protocol. I am not sure changing the table would fix those issues.
13:04:34 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/140 issue-140
13:04:36 <taki> DP: So.. we can close this one.
13:05:22 <taki> DP: Coordination with other groups. Feel free to make a pull request on that.
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13:06:38 <taki> DR: Diagram illustrates the architecture.
13:06:40 <kaz> i|we can close|DP: was https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/issues/68 in the old repo|
13:07:02 <taki> DR: I don't understand DP's point.
13:07:22 <taki> DP: Issue 68 is about how we integrate coordination with other groups.
13:07:53 <taki> DR: I will be happy to have one in the charter.
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13:08:25 <taki> DR: I can use Takuki prepared.
13:08:46 <kaz> q?
13:12:00 <kaz> ack toru
13:12:24 <taki> JH: Adding Github issue regarding adding a picture, as floating right...
13:13:42 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/130 issue-130
13:13:48 <taki> Toru: Green highlighted text is the proposed change. (2.3 of WG charter)
13:14:17 <taki> JH merging in the proposed change...
13:14:52 <taki> Toru: Proposing to add a point.
13:15:02 <taki> Toru: Section 2.1
13:15:09 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/129 issue-129
13:15:11 <taki> Toru: section 2.2
13:15:27 <kaz> s/Toru: Section 2.1//
13:15:57 <taki> Toru: A bullet may be needed for "cross platform security..."
13:16:07 <dsr> q+
13:16:43 <taki> DR: We need a bullet.
13:17:24 <dsr> We need Oliver for reviewing the security wording
13:17:29 <dsr> ack dsr
13:17:30 <taki> JH merging in this change...
13:18:59 <taki> Naka: We need another pull-request. (#131)
13:19:38 <taki> JH: #104. Discussion between Dave and Matthias.
13:19:46 <taki> DR: This is about definitions.
13:20:12 <taki> DR: Time sequence of values, vs stream
13:20:25 <kaz> i|104|https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/131|
13:20:42 <kaz> i|This is|https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/104|
13:20:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft mintues
13:20:48 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft mintues', kaz.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:20:54 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:20:55 <taki> DR: We have some misunderstanding. What to expose to application, and protocol are different.
13:20:59 <kaz> s|rrsagent, draft mintues||
13:21:38 <taki> Toru: #77. This is old.
13:21:49 <taki> Toru: This was already resolved.
13:22:04 <taki> Toru: The intention was about deliverable wordings.
13:22:34 <kaz> i|already|https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/77|
13:22:36 <taki> JH: I consider this as resolved.
13:23:15 <taki> JH: Is there anything that was not covered?
13:24:26 <taki> DP: I did not cover those raised during face-to-face.
13:24:38 <taki> DP: We need to go through minutes.
13:25:47 <taki> Joerg: Can we do that? We can put it in the next telecon agenda.
13:26:22 <taki> DP: I can try to check the minutes. and see if there are anything that are not resolved yet.
13:26:33 <jhund> ACTION on dape to go through the minutes of montreal f2f to see if the raised issues are vetted
13:26:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-51 - Dape to go through the minutes of montreal f2f to see if the raised issues are vetted [on Osamu Nakamura - due 2016-05-18].
13:26:58 <taki> JH: we could go on to the next point in agenda.
13:28:10 <taki> MK: I sent an email about working documents. I showed scope and what problem I am addressing.
13:28:54 <taki> MK: Transfer layer and resource layer to map to different protocols.
13:29:14 <taki> JH: We need a document for developers.
13:29:24 <taki> MK: It is the first milestone.
13:29:45 <kaz> s/Osamu Nakamura/Daniel Peintner/g
13:29:51 <taki> MK: I will need to make a pull request.
13:29:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:30:24 <taki> MK: I will be able to submit it next week.
13:30:45 <taki> Nimura-san: I updated architecture document.
13:31:04 <taki> Nimura-san: It incorporates scenarios section.
13:31:18 <taki> Nimura-san: We have eight scenarios.
13:31:36 <taki> Nimura-san: based on the last discussion.
13:31:51 <taki> Nimura-san: Each section describes how it works
13:32:09 <taki> Nimura-san: I put the terminology in second section.
13:32:20 <taki> Nimura-san: I defined more words.
13:33:06 <taki> Nimura-san: I did another pull request, please accept that.
13:33:22 <taki> Nimura-san: it is about missing png.
13:33:39 <taki> JH merging the pull request...
13:34:49 <kaz> i/we could go on/topic: transfer layer and resource later
13:35:19 <kaz> i/I updated/topic: architecture update/
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13:35:30 <taki> JH: For the next call. Discussion of two charters. IG charter, we should add some summary.
13:35:57 <kaz> i/For the/topic: next call/
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13:37:07 <taki> JH adjorning the call.
13:37:41 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
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13:50:21 <kaz> s|1-week cfc [on Daniel Peintner|1-week cfc [on Johannes Hund|
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