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18:30:42 <Judy> zakim, agenda?
18:30:42 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
18:30:45 <Judy> agenda+ confirming scribe
18:30:45 <Judy> agenda+ FYI on IDPF and W3C exploring combining efforts
18:30:45 <Judy> agenda+ any new cross-review requests; planned pre-GAAD announcements?
18:30:45 <Judy> agenda+ Conformance accessibility testing plans - update
18:30:45 <Judy> agenda+ WCAG.next model discussions -- update on recent discussions
18:30:46 <Judy> agenda+ Research Questions Task Force; expecting to convey soon; potentially interested researchers
18:30:47 <Judy> agenda+ Issues to take to WAI IG (or bring back)
18:30:49 <Judy> agenda+ Task Force updates?
18:30:51 <Judy> agenda+ Any other business?
18:34:34 <janina> present+ Janina
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18:36:58 <Judy> topic+ More Webex issues
18:37:24 <Judy> JS: pls update settings for no-host joining
18:38:23 <Judy> JB: It *was*; it re-set itself, as well re-setting several other settings, along with web client update
18:39:27 <Judy> topic+ Agenda check
18:39:35 <Joshue108> zakim, agenda?
18:39:35 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
18:39:36 <Zakim> 1. confirming scribe [from Judy]
18:39:36 <Zakim> 2. FYI on IDPF and W3C exploring combining efforts [from Judy]
18:39:36 <Zakim> 3. any new cross-review requests; planned pre-GAAD announcements? [from Judy]
18:39:37 <Zakim> 4. Conformance accessibility testing plans - update [from Judy]
18:39:37 <Zakim> 5. WCAG.next model discussions -- update on recent discussions [from Judy]
18:39:37 <Zakim> 6. Research Questions Task Force; expecting to convey soon; potentially interested researchers [from Judy]
18:39:37 <Zakim> 7. Issues to take to WAI IG (or bring back) [from Judy]
18:39:37 <Zakim> 8. Task Force updates? [from Judy]
18:39:37 <Zakim> 9. Any other business? [from Judy]
18:39:43 <Judy> JS: ARIA/TAG topic?
18:40:07 <Judy> ...some progress
18:40:23 <Judy> scribe: Josh
18:40:32 <Judy> zakim, take up item 2
18:40:32 <Zakim> agendum 2. "FYI on IDPF and W3C exploring combining efforts" taken up [from Judy]
18:40:36 <Judy> zakim, close item 1
18:40:36 <Zakim> agendum 1, confirming scribe, closed
18:40:37 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:40:37 <Zakim> 2. FYI on IDPF and W3C exploring combining efforts [from Judy]
18:40:55 <Joshue108> JB: I hope everyone saw the announcement.
18:41:10 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/
18:41:15 <Joshue108> JB: About the joint exploration between these groups, on potentially combining.
18:41:30 <Joshue108> JB:There has been a11y collobration recently.
18:41:51 <Joshue108> JB: There is discussion on more formal combination.
18:42:07 <Joshue108> JB: This will involve looking at a11y and other areas.
18:42:15 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5399?pk_campaign=feed&pk_kwd=world-wide-web-consortium-w3c-and-international-digital-publishing-forum-idpf-explore-plans-to-combine
18:42:21 <Joshue108> JB: Can we have an overview on what is going on?
18:42:29 <Joshue108> JS: An ARIA module is the biggest thing.
18:42:45 <Judy> s/will involve looking at/may result in even more opportunities to coordination on/
18:42:46 <Joshue108> JS: This has a new set of roles for ARIA 1.1, that relates to books and magazines.
18:43:01 <Joshue108> JS: They also have an interest group in digital publishing.
18:43:33 <Joshue108> JS: They have a doc that looks at the gaps. The APA etc find it interesting.
18:43:52 <Joshue108> JS: Josh, WCAG may want to look at this also.
18:44:00 <Joshue108> JS: This is exciting.
18:44:06 <Joshue108> JB: Questions?
18:44:42 <Joshue108> JOC: Where can we get it?
18:45:12 <Joshue108> JB: There are links on that page.
18:45:27 <Joshue108> JB: What Janina is talking about is from the joint press release.
18:45:48 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/2016/05/digpub.html.en
18:46:10 <janina> Digital Publishing and Accessibility in W3C Documents URL: https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-accessibility/
18:46:20 <Joshue108> JB: I have the gap analysis URI here.
18:46:30 <Joshue108> JB: There are two joint activities?
18:46:54 <Judy> s/There are/Weren't there/
18:47:06 <Joshue108> JS: I'm aware of two, the ARIA for dPUB work, and then the Digital Publishing interest group which has created the gap analysis.
18:47:23 <Joshue108> JB: They have their own wiki page IIRC
18:47:30 <Joshue108> JB: That would be useful.
18:48:14 <Joshue108> JB: For the interest group piece, what WAI group is co-ordinating with that.
18:49:03 <Joshue108> JB: Is Tzviya involved?
18:49:07 <Joshue108> MC: Yes
18:50:05 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/dpub-a11y-tf/
18:50:34 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Accessibility
18:50:43 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
18:50:43 <Zakim> sorry, Joshue108, I can't do that anymore
18:51:12 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/grouptf.html
18:51:15 <Joshue108> JS: Do we want the IG Github repo?
18:52:01 <Judy> JB: will clean up some cross-linking
18:52:15 <Judy> zakim, take up next
18:52:15 <Zakim> agendum 3. "any new cross-review requests; planned pre-GAAD announcements?" taken up [from Judy]
18:52:30 <Joshue108> JB: This is just to double check
18:52:51 <Joshue108> JB: We will be announcing the prospective vids soon.
18:53:02 <Joshue108> JB: Pre-GAAD announcements before next week?
18:53:07 <Joshue108> <crickets>
18:53:18 <Judy> s/We will/I expect we will/
18:53:23 <Judy> zakim, take up next
18:53:23 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Conformance accessibility testing plans - update" taken up [from Judy]
18:54:12 <Joshue108> JB: I have invited Wilco to join the co-ordination calls. He is interested in joining and the chair of the Automated Monitoring CG.
18:54:26 <Joshue108> JB: They are exploring bringing this into WCAG as a TF.
18:54:48 <Joshue108> JB: The discussion is going well, there is interest from those who have large testing repos.
18:55:10 <Joshue108> JB: Shadi and I are looking for resources to cover staff time.
18:55:23 <Joshue108> JB: We hope to have an update soon, so we can formally watch this work.
18:55:37 <Joshue108> JB: It is in scope of the current charter.
18:56:03 <Joshue108> JB: I will update Josh and AWK on the editors call tomorrow.
18:56:54 <Judy> ...Those interested in the conformance testing work can join https://www.w3.org/community/auto-wcag/ to get notification of discussions
18:57:09 <Joshue108> JB: Any questions?
18:57:11 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:57:11 <Zakim> agendum 5. "WCAG.next model discussions -- update on recent discussions" taken up [from Judy]
18:57:27 <Judy> zakim, close item 5
18:57:27 <Zakim> agendum 5, WCAG.next model discussions -- update on recent discussions, closed
18:57:29 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:57:29 <Zakim> 6. Research Questions Task Force; expecting to convey soon; potentially interested researchers [from Judy]
18:57:41 <Joshue108> JOC: Any ideas for a timeframe for Auto WCAG merge?
18:58:07 <Joshue108> JB: There have been some ideas but we are working it out. Nothing solid.
18:58:11 <Joshue108> JOC: Ok
18:58:46 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/community/auto-wcag/wiki/WCAG_Conformance_Rules_for_W3C
18:58:50 <Joshue108> JB: Do have a look at it before the WCAG editors call.
18:59:03 <Judy> zakim, take up item 5
18:59:03 <Zakim> agendum 5. "WCAG.next model discussions -- update on recent discussions" taken up [from Judy]
18:59:30 <Joshue108> JB: Michael has updated me on the WCAG.next discussion.
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19:00:42 <Judy> scribe: Judy
19:01:36 <Judy> JOC: We looked at John F and Jeanne S's summary of input. It wasn't a formal public call for comment, rather outreach to specific people. This was about WCAG.next.
19:01:54 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Main_Page/WCAG_future_proposal
19:01:59 <Judy> ...there were a few options that got more positive feedback than others
19:02:21 <Judy> ...we spoke about what the Co-Chairs thought might be the most stable options for evolving WCAG
19:02:52 <Judy> ...there were no objections from among those on the teleconf
19:04:21 <Judy> JOC: In short, the group is open to doing a 2.1, to contain the work from the extensions that the various TFs are doing, over the next 9 months
19:04:39 <Judy> ...plus potentially producing the best practices
19:05:07 <Judy> ...mobile more ready than the other TFs. We think the other TFs will step up.
19:05:31 <Judy> ...WG is in general agreement about what they're hoping
19:05:37 <Judy> q+
19:06:51 <Judy> JB: assuming that you're looking for a strong/broad consensus on the proposal
19:07:52 <Judy> JOC: well there was consensus on the call itself
19:10:12 <Judy> MNC: this was the first appearance of a proposal that rolls in input from what John and Jeanne had gathered
19:12:28 <Judy> JOC: think it's likely to end up as a 2.1
19:13:02 <Judy> JB: just checking, process-wise, how you're handling getting consensus on the proposal that was sent out just yesterday.
19:14:10 <fesch> scribe: fesch
19:15:07 <fesch> JOC: 2.1 is a likely candidate which will take the output from the task forces
19:15:47 <fesch> JOC: the output from the task forces will be 1. candidate success criteria
19:16:02 <fesch> JOC: 2. non normative best practices documents
19:16:26 <fesch> JOC: these will be produced when the task forces think they are ready
19:16:54 <fesch> JOC: in tandum, we plan to start prep work for WCAG 3.0
19:17:14 <fesch> JOC: timeline 2.1 work - will take up to 2 years
19:17:30 <fesch> JOC: may be produced more quickly
19:18:09 <fesch> JOC: this gives us some scope to potentially produce a 2.2 if we don't have critical mass for a 3.0
19:19:25 <Judy> agenda?
19:19:27 <fesch> jb: I think there is a lot of group in the proposal, but it just came out yesterday,  want to help you get consensus
19:19:43 <Judy> s/group/good things/
19:20:16 <fesch> jb: the research questions task force
19:20:25 <Judy> zakim, take up item 6
19:20:25 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Research Questions Task Force; expecting to convey soon; potentially interested researchers" taken up [from Judy]
19:21:43 <fesch> jb: want to briefly make sure that one of the other task forces under APA, having planning discussions with Jason White
19:22:14 <fesch> jb: looking to refocus it, what would be the best approach for APA, - what is research worthy?
19:22:40 <fesch> jb: will be trying to identify, people interested in research/standards
19:23:02 <fesch> jb: we would be hoping folks from IBM research might help
19:23:11 <fesch> jb: people interested in tooling....
19:23:37 <fesch> jb: just wanted to mention that, will bring up on future call
19:23:47 <fesch> jb: an FYI for now
19:23:51 <Judy> agenda?
19:24:04 <Judy> zakim, take up item 7
19:24:04 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Issues to take to WAI IG (or bring back)" taken up [from Judy]
19:24:46 <fesch> jb: will coordinate with Katy, any items that need to WAI IG
19:24:58 <Judy> s/Katy/Katie/
19:25:00 <fesch> fred: not from SVG  A11y TF
19:25:11 <fesch> js: no
19:25:40 <fesch> zakim, take up item 8
19:25:40 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Task Force updates?" taken up [from Judy]
19:26:13 <Judy> scribe: Judy
19:26:15 <Judy> JB: updates on SVG accessibility how soon?
19:26:32 <Judy> fred: Ongoing, moving well this week
19:28:13 <Judy> JB: wondering about implementers
19:28:31 <Judy> fred: right away -- Joannie, and Webkit. Core mapping happening fast.
19:28:46 <Judy> ...trying for everybody -- no roadblocks
19:29:11 <Judy> JB: outreach underway to other implementers?
19:29:44 <Judy> fred: yes, outreach, Chrome may be on board. Don't know yet about Edge. Firefox may be slower. Linux may be on board.
19:29:52 <Judy> scribe: Fred
19:30:02 <Judy> agenda?
19:30:18 <Judy> zakim, close item 6
19:30:18 <Zakim> agendum 6, Research Questions Task Force; expecting to convey soon; potentially interested researchers, closed
19:30:18 <fesch> zakim, take up 9
19:30:20 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:30:20 <Zakim> 7. Issues to take to WAI IG (or bring back) [from Judy]
19:30:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up 9', fesch
19:30:21 <Judy> zakim, close item 7
19:30:22 <Zakim> agendum 7, Issues to take to WAI IG (or bring back), closed
19:30:22 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:30:22 <Zakim> 8. Task Force updates? [from Judy]
19:30:33 <Judy> zakim, close item 9
19:30:33 <Zakim> agendum 9, Any other business?, closed
19:30:34 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
19:30:34 <Zakim> 8. Task Force updates? [from Judy]
19:30:50 <Judy> topic: next meeting
19:31:01 <Judy> JB: any regrets for next meeting?
19:31:32 <Judy> ...should be the 25th
19:32:43 <Judy> JB: will send an earlier reminder
19:32:48 <Judy> JB: Thanks all.
19:33:04 <Judy> rrsagent, make log public
19:33:29 <Judy> rrsagent, make minutes
19:33:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/11-waicc-minutes.html Judy
19:35:06 <Judy> Meeting: WAI Coordination Call
19:35:11 <Judy> Chair: Judy_Brewer
19:36:16 <Judy> Present: Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka, Judy_Brewer, Josh_O'Connor, Fred_Esch
19:38:32 <Judy> Regrets: Sharron, Tzviya, Lisa, Kim, Kathy, Leonie
19:38:46 <Judy> rrsagent, make minutes
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19:40:13 <Judy> s/topic+/topic:/
19:41:14 <Judy> s/JB: I have the gap/JS: I have the gap
19:42:12 <Judy> s/Is Tzviya involved/Isn't Tzviya involved in both?/
19:45:43 <Judy> s/help you get consensus/help you get broader, stronger consensus so it doesn't reverse this time/
19:46:42 <Judy> s/... the research questions task force//
19:47:38 <Judy> s/... we would be hoping/Fred, for instance we would be hoping/
19:49:38 <Judy> s/any items /RQTF recruitment questions/
19:50:20 <Judy> rrsagent, make minutes
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19:52:59 <Judy> s/... the research questions task force//
19:54:18 <Judy> s/... we would be hoping/... For instance, Fred we would be hoping/
19:54:38 <Judy> rrsagent, make minutes
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