15:00:16 RRSAgent has joined #auto 15:00:16 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/05/10-auto-irc 15:03:12 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Adam_Crofts, Paul_Boyes, Tatsuhiko_Hirabayashi, Shinjiro_Urata, Wonsuk_Lee 15:04:44 YingyingChen has joined #auto 15:05:24 * still in process of joining WebEx 15:06:14 YingyingChen has joined #auto 15:07:23 AdamC has joined #auto 15:07:36 present+ Qing_An, Junichi_Hashimoto 15:07:48 paul has joined #auto 15:07:53 present+ Kevin_Gavigan 15:08:04 YingyingChen has joined #auto 15:08:16 junichi-hashimoto has joined #auto 15:08:39 wonsuk: shows today's agenda 15:09:09 agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-autowebplatform/2016May/0000.html 15:09:12 KevG has joined #auto 15:09:25 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-autowebplatform/2016May/0000.html agenda 15:09:51 wonsuk: recap f2f, scope/roadmap for LBS/Media tuner, SOTA 15:10:24 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-autowebplatform/2016May/0005.html updated agenda 15:10:44 wonsuk: manufacturer engmement, EV support 15:11:12 ... this is my first charing the BG, please let me know if anything missing 15:11:27 ... let's start with recap f2f 15:11:36 topic: Recap from the f2f in Paris 15:11:50 i/shows/topic: Today's agenda/ 15:12:25 wonsuk: we have demos, conceptual discussion 15:13:36 -> https://www.w3.org/2016/04/26-auto-minutes security day 15:13:45 -> https://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-auto-minutes day 1 15:13:52 -> https://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-auto-minutes day 2 15:14:00 present+ Robert_Shape 15:14:38 wonsuk: shows the minutes from day1 15:14:42 s/day1/day2/ 15:14:48 ... navigation web api 15:15:02 -> https://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-auto-minutes#item02 Navigation Web API 15:15:27 wonsuk: Philippe Colliot gave presentation on GENIVI's Navigation Web API work 15:16:01 ... changing from the QML-based HMI to HTML5-based one 15:16:18 ... we need to define data set 15:17:04 ... we'll first try websocket-based api for this (=LBS) 15:17:17 ... and then think about WebIDL-based API 15:17:31 present+ Yingying_Chen 15:17:42 ... people agreed that websocket-based approach would be more flexible 15:17:48 ... and easy to implement 15:18:01 ... any additional comments? 15:18:18 ... think that was the most important decision 15:18:23 q+ 15:19:19 AdamC has joined #auto 15:19:57 kaz: the f2f discussion also included @@@ 15:20:10 wonsuk: some parts were rather 15:20:14 ... WG topics 15:20:17 kaz: right 15:20:26 ... so we should be clear about what to be done by the BG 15:20:31 ... and what for the WG 15:21:08 wonsuk: new topics, e.g., SOTA, should be done by the BG 15:21:32 paul: vehicle api/data spec and websocket version of them should be done by the WG 15:21:38 ... others should be done by the BG 15:21:50 ... security/privacy will be handled by both the groups 15:22:06 wonsuk: goes to SOTA topic 15:22:48 -> https://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-auto-minutes#item08 SOTA RVI API 15:23:00 KevG has joined #auto 15:23:24 wonsuk: we need to investigate what to do 15:23:31 ... big benefit for the ecosystem 15:23:48 ... REST-based API for SOTA server is required for the SOTA manager apps 15:24:00 ... not for the app developers outside 15:24:17 ... including public developers 15:24:26 ack k 15:24:41 ... they can also make apps using the APIs 15:25:13 ... but in case of SOTA, not sure if the APIs are enough for them 15:25:27 paul: provisioning and administering 15:25:38 ... administration of SOTA 15:26:25 wonsuk: what I have in mind is introduction of SOTA 15:26:37 ... want to have more discussion about this within the group 15:27:06 ... if we get consensus that SOTA is important for the automotiv ecosystem, then we should create the TF 15:27:30 ... but we need to investigate whether we need to create APIs for this purpose 15:27:34 ... what do you think? 15:28:02 kaz: and you think we should do that investigation by the whole BG before creating a TF? 15:28:08 present+ Philippe_Robin 15:28:23 wonsuk: right 15:28:40 ... we need to have more meeting with GENIVI 15:28:55 ... to see how we should handle this topic within the BG 15:29:06 kaz: make sense 15:29:10 paul: make sense to me too 15:29:25 wonsuk: that's my recap from the Paris meeting 15:29:30 ... anything else to be added? 15:29:40 * maybe because of the poor signal, I cannot hear any voice from my side 15:29:58 topic: LBS 15:30:05 wonsuk: roadmap for LBS? 15:30:13 ... Qing An? 15:31:08 * I suggest to skip to next one, while I reconfigure the setting 15:31:54 wonsuk: we need to put the information on the BG wiki 15:32:03 ... and ask the BG participants for reviews 15:32:04 * yes, but I no voice 15:32:11 Present+ Ted 15:32:13 ... to elaborate the description 15:32:49 rrsagent, make log public 15:33:03 topic: SOTA 15:33:09 wonsuk: next is SOTA 15:33:23 ... introduction during the last f2f meeting in Paris 15:33:33 arthur has joined #auto 15:33:45 hi! Is the coordination call happening? 15:33:51 I can't get on the voice conference 15:34:04 -> http://pdxostc.github.io/rvi_sota_server/dev/api.html SOTA project 15:34:08 http://pdxostc.github.io/rvi_sota_server/ 15:35:35 arthur https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-autowebplatform/2016May/0005.html 15:36:16 [there is some confusion on how to handle conflicting days when both genivi coordination calls and w3c business group calls] 15:36:51 got it 15:37:32 present+ Arthur_Taylor 15:38:51 I have an echo on the line 15:38:54 can you hear me? 15:40:20 wonsuk: want to have some more discussion about SOTA Web API 15:40:47 ... how it would be beneficial to the Automotive ecosystem? 15:41:11 arthor: we're trying more open standard API 15:41:28 ... want to standardize APIs on the server side 15:41:47 ... tools and services to be integrated with existing commercial OTI services 15:42:04 ... creating standard interface would allow people for that 15:42:14 ... not really specific to automotive industry 15:42:29 ... developing this API would be applicable to other sectors too 15:42:48 wonsuk: could you please give some more explanation on embedded uses? 15:43:04 arthor: vehicles are basically embedded devices 15:43:24 ... development is often slow and difficult to manage 15:43:40 ... having more standards would let people develop systems more easily 15:44:33 wonsuk: integrated with the existing SOTA servers? 15:44:46 ... some third party developers might have solutions 15:45:35 author: exposing entire server interface for embedded software architecture 15:46:06 paul: really interesting in general 15:46:22 ... not fully understood at the moment 15:46:34 ... would suggest we put an action for investigation 15:46:45 ... REST-based interface for administration, etc. 15:47:01 arthor: we did open-based protocol 15:47:09 ... what we have so far is Web API 15:47:25 ... think it would be relevant to W3C 15:47:35 ... we're talking about the interface for the SOTA server 15:47:42 ... delivery for automotive systems 15:48:11 paul: REST interface for the server side is included in the scope. right? 15:48:29 ... other pieces are not clear enough 15:48:35 ... have to look into that 15:48:47 ... what kind of protocols? 15:48:51 ... how does that work? 15:49:11 arthor: we need features to device wake-up, etc. 15:49:36 ... we have reference implementations 15:50:08 q+ 15:50:30 paul: the question is that I need to look into the Web server API spec 15:50:37 ... would have action item 15:50:46 rudi: agree with you 15:51:12 ... would see why standardization on the server side would be beneficial 15:51:24 ... simple integration task 15:51:37 ... we can look into the spec 15:52:27 robert: the reason I'm involved is because software talks with different kind of cars 15:52:44 ... value to be added to my software 15:52:47 arthor: right 15:53:12 ... having standard interface would be beneficial 15:53:58 ... not sure if the idea of RESTful interface for managing the server side would be useful to W3C 15:54:08 robert: tx for your clarification 15:55:31 kaz: wondering if the data property for SOTA Web API is related to the data definition of VSS 15:55:42 arthor: no relationship with VSS 15:56:04 paul: communication with web application 15:56:16 ... also interface between cloud and cars 15:57:07 ... still I would like to see the detail of the SOTA Web server API 15:57:26 action: paul to look into the detail of the SOTA Web server API 15:57:27 Created ACTION-16 - Look into the detail of the sota web server api [on Paul Boyes - due 2016-05-17]. 15:57:33 wonsuk: ok 15:57:42 ... we need more discussion 15:58:07 ... Paul will bring some more concrete opinions for the upcoming calls 15:58:30 topic: Manufacturer engagement 15:58:50 wonsuk: would like to ask Robert for opinions 15:59:15 robert: can you clarify what you mean by "manufacture engagement"? 15:59:55 ... it would be useless unless the manufacturers are involved 16:00:05 ... do we have data manifest for manufactures? 16:00:50 paul: we had somebody from Honda at the Paris meeting 16:01:10 ... would be great to have even more manufacturers 16:01:30 ... OEMs, Tier1s 16:01:33 robert: ok 16:01:53 paul: have talked with many of them so far 16:03:00 robert: what is the difference with JLR? 16:03:13 rudi: JLR is the pioneer in this area 16:03:24 ... reference implementation on Linux 16:03:43 ... we have to leverage open standards, open platform, etc. 16:04:28 ... would like to see vehicle manufacturers will be on board 16:04:49 robert: sounds great 16:06:20 rudi: doing everything to be publicized 16:06:31 ... collaboration between GENIVI and W3C 16:06:42 paul: reference implementation would be useful 16:06:46 ... have to see that 16:07:07 ... the question is when other OEMs will join 16:07:50 rudi: would like to see some sort of Hackathon when we hold the next f2f in Portland in June/July 16:07:54 robert: sounds good 16:08:11 ... you can probably talk with other manufacturers and invite them 16:08:43 ... from my point of view, "manufacture engagement" has been covered 16:08:44 q+ 16:09:15 robert: what about manufacturers of EVs? 16:09:25 ... anybody have any feedback? 16:09:34 q+ 16:09:44 ... would like to see what happened 16:10:20 paul: regarding EV from the vehicle information viewpoint, people interested will drive it 16:10:25 ... and give you feedback 16:10:35 ... would like to suggest you also participate 16:10:40 robert: happy to do that 16:11:05 paul: have to drop 16:12:52 kaz: maybe we might want to have a TF for communications with automotive industry 16:13:01 robert: sounds like a good idea 16:13:09 kaz: would be great 16:13:15 robert: ok 16:13:17 ... will do 16:13:18 KevG_ has joined #auto 16:13:23 ack k 16:13:25 ack t 16:13:54 * can you hear me? 16:14:40 [it was on vss and electric vehicles. basically robert you and volker should submit their ideas and the process is clear] 16:15:25 kevin: part of the reasons why manufactures are not really involved is it would be a big decision for them to participate in W3C 16:16:40 kaz: Ted suggests Robert and Volker submit their ideas 16:16:44 wonsuk: good idea 16:17:04 ... they can put their ideas on the wiki and we can get reviews 16:17:16 kaz: initial discussion on emails? 16:17:26 wonsuk: that's fine 16:18:30 kaz: Robert, you can send a brief summary message to the ML (public-autowebplatform@w3.org) 16:18:37 ... and include links to the GitHub repo 16:18:41 wonsuk: ok 16:18:51 topic: telco schedule 16:19:02 wonsuk: we'll have telcos monthly 16:19:11 ... the next call will be June the 7th 16:19:25 ... same time as this call 16:20:00 - 8am US Pacific 16:20:00 - 11am US Eastern 16:20:00 - 5pm Europe 16:20:00 - 11pm China 16:20:00 - Midnight Korea/Japan 16:20:14 wonsuk: would adjourn the meeting then 16:20:25 ... please send your contributions to the ML 16:20:26 ... and add them to the wiki 16:20:33 [ adjourned ] 16:20:39 rrsagent, make log public 16:20:44 rrsagent, draft mintues 16:20:44 I'm logging. 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