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14:07:16 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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14:07:18 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016May/0005.html
14:07:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:07:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
14:07:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:07:21 <trackbot> Date: 05 May 2016
14:07:25 <aphillip> Regrets+ Felix
14:07:27 <aphillip> Regrets+ Steve
14:07:46 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
14:07:55 <aphillip> agenda+ Definition of whitespace
14:08:04 <aphillip> agenda+ HTML issues
14:08:14 <aphillip> agenda+ Charmod
14:08:28 <aphillip> agenda+ topic index findings and next steps
14:09:02 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:09:06 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:09:12 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:09:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:11:19 <aphillip> agenda+ review comments on web annotation drafts
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15:01:24 <aphillip> present+ Addison
15:02:41 <aphillip> Present+ Richard
15:02:47 <aphillip> Present+ David
15:05:00 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
15:05:02 <aphillip> agenda?
15:05:37 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:05:48 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:07:53 <aphillip> action-511?
15:07:53 <trackbot> action-511 -- Richard Ishida to Check if discource for wicg can add notifier for an i18n label -- due 2016-05-05 -- OPEN
15:07:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/511
15:07:59 <aphillip> sent email, no reply yet
15:08:31 <aphillip> action-512?
15:08:31 <trackbot> action-512 -- Richard Ishida to Send www-international an email about removing topic index and prepare new home page and other page mods as needed to support that -- due 2016-05-05 -- OPEN
15:08:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/512
15:08:44 <aphillip> close action-512
15:08:44 <trackbot> Closed action-512.
15:08:56 <aphillip> action-513?
15:08:56 <trackbot> action-513 -- Richard Ishida to Raise an issue against html about default q-styling -- due 2016-05-05 -- OPEN
15:08:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/513
15:09:05 <aphillip> close action-513
15:09:05 <trackbot> Closed action-513.
15:09:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:09:39 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/124
15:09:46 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:09:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:10:13 <aphillip> richard: new version of unicode-xml with disclaimer published
15:12:32 <aphillip> agenda?
15:12:44 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:12:44 <Zakim> agendum 1. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]
15:12:54 <aphillip> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
15:14:03 <aphillip> richard: one issue raised
15:14:54 <aphillip> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:15:11 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/browser-payment-api/issues/53#issuecomment-215709951
15:15:14 <aphillip> richard: info share
15:15:34 <aphillip> ... have found a way to put i18n tags on other peoples repos
15:15:47 <aphillip> ... and make it so that when the label is applied to an issue we get notified
15:15:53 <aphillip> ... and also when closed
15:15:59 <aphillip> ... done for html wg
15:16:07 <aphillip> ... done for some other wg
15:16:12 <aphillip> ... might be payments
15:16:27 <aphillip> ... in process of doing for annotation people
15:16:37 <aphillip> ... negotiated with ivan an hour or so ago
15:16:52 <aphillip> ... have a way for all groups going forward
15:17:01 <aphillip> regrets+ rebecca
15:17:18 <aphillip> regrets- rebecca
15:17:41 <aphillip> requirements dev
15:17:52 <aphillip> richard: some talk with swaran
15:18:25 <aphillip> ... trying to get more content/community involvement
15:19:34 <aphillip> richard: should watch summary of issues
15:19:52 <aphillip> ...quite a lot of html issues now
15:19:59 <aphillip> ... a lot from chaals
15:20:04 <aphillip> ... also looked through issue list
15:20:07 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
15:21:25 <aphillip> richard: vote on publishing ruby markup?
15:22:01 <aphillip> addison: any comments?
15:22:11 <aphillip> richard: a couple of very small things, easily fixed
15:22:26 <aphillip> ... none from fantasai and koji
15:22:31 <aphillip> ... ping before publising?
15:23:15 <aphillip> addison: all in favor of publishing "ruby markup" (link below)?
15:23:20 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/ruby/markup.en.html
15:23:24 <David> +1
15:23:24 <aphillip> +1
15:23:25 <r12a> +1
15:23:48 <JcK> +1
15:23:55 <aphillip> addison: so approved
15:24:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:24:28 <aphillip> action: richard: publish ruby markup article after pinging fantasai and koji
15:24:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-514 - Publish ruby markup article after pinging fantasai and koji [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-05-12].
15:26:01 <aphillip> agenda?
15:26:17 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:26:17 <Zakim> agendum 5. "topic index findings and next steps" taken up [from aphillip]
15:26:34 <aphillip> richard: spent time trying diff strategies for keeping by more efficient
15:26:41 <aphillip> ... like putting keywords in meta
15:26:49 <aphillip> ... but search is much more useful
15:26:56 <aphillip> ... finds stuff I can't keyword
15:27:01 <aphillip> ... and stays up to date
15:27:09 <aphillip> ... propose to replace with a big search box
15:27:41 <aphillip> addison: just searches International/
15:27:47 <aphillip> richard: yes
15:29:36 <aphillip> action: richard: replace topic index with a giant search box
15:29:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-515 - Replace topic index with a giant search box [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-05-12].
15:30:06 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:30:06 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Definition of whitespace" taken up [from aphillip]
15:30:22 <aphillip> richard: sent note to steven p asking what he intended to do with it
15:31:22 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Apr/0027.html
15:32:16 <aphillip> talk about this next week
15:32:18 <aphillip> agenda?
15:32:48 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:32:48 <Zakim> agendum 3. "HTML issues" taken up [from aphillip]
15:34:52 <aphillip> addison: triage wontfixed bugzilla items in case any action is needed?
15:35:00 <aphillip> action:  addison: triage wontfixed bugzilla items in case any action is needed?
15:35:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-516 - Triage wontfixed bugzilla items in case any action is needed? [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-05-12].
15:36:00 <aphillip> action: addison: remind working group to review HTML items in http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/ for next call
15:36:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-517 - Remind working group to review html items in http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/ for next call [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-05-12].
15:36:08 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#html
15:36:20 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:36:20 <Zakim> agendum 6. "review comments on web annotation drafts" taken up [from aphillip]
15:36:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:37:13 <r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Apr/0045.html
15:38:01 <aphillip> richard: first one is about reference to IRI
15:38:09 <aphillip> ... they refer to URL or IRI
15:38:36 <aphillip> ... what should be calling these? URL?
15:38:58 <aphillip> addison: and which spec
15:40:48 <aphillip> richard: no harm done?
15:43:24 <aphillip> investigate whether they spec needs to dirty its hands with serializing to the wire
15:44:05 <aphillip> am-2) Reference to BCP47 See https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#bodies-and-targets <https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#bodies-and-targets> "The Body or Target SHOULD have exactly 1 language associated with it, but MAY have 0 or more. The value of the property SHOULD be a language code following the [rfc5646 <https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#bib-rfc5646>] specifiction.“ Shouldn’t this [CUT]
15:45:12 <aphillip> yes, BCP47
15:45:24 <aphillip> potentially raise issue about 0 or more
15:45:53 <aphillip> 0 or 1 unless they mean to have a language priority list
15:46:04 <aphillip>  am-3) Definition of character See https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#embedded-textual-body <https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#embedded-textual-body> "The character sequence of the content of the Textual Body.“: this text and the whole document is missing a definition of a character.
15:46:17 <aphillip> richard: word character used a lot
15:46:22 <aphillip> ... charmod says to define
15:46:42 <aphillip> ... one their issues
15:47:25 <aphillip> define character probably as code point
15:47:36 <aphillip> am-4) Counting of characters See https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#fragment-selector <https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#fragment-selector> A question is whether Is it possible for the plain text selector to specify the normalization form, to understand what is being counted. One resolution may be to say in reference to comment 3) that a character is always a unicode character in NFC. The same comment applies t[CUT]
15:48:57 <aphillip> want to count the code points in the *not* normalized file
15:49:08 <aphillip> probably related to our work with find text
15:51:03 <aphillip> want grapheme boundaries (for some def of grapheme??)
15:51:15 <aphillip> richard: want normalization for some other operations possibly
15:51:33 <aphillip> addison:for matching and such
15:51:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:52:15 <aphillip> am-5) Text quote selectors and mixed scripts See https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#text-quote-selector <https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-model-20160331/#text-quote-selector> Is there a need to specific what happens with mixed scripts, or at least require testing of text quote with mixed scripts?
15:53:37 <aphillip> not sure what this is
15:53:54 <aphillip> ap-1) General comment on annotation retrieval https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-annotation-protocol-20160331/#annotation-retrieval The section says „If more than one representation of the Annotation is available, then the server SHOULD support content negotiation." Creators of annotations are missing guidance whether annotations in different languages should be provided via content negotiation or whether it is recommended to have variation in language speci[CUT]
15:56:31 <aphillip> needs further study
15:56:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:56:47 <aphillip> richard: one other think about normalization
15:57:03 <aphillip> ...when they say it, they mean stripping html and other such stuff
15:57:51 <aphillip> ... we need to be careful to be explicit about what we mean
15:58:02 <aphillip> ... when we use the "normalization" word
15:59:03 <aphillip> action: felix: submit approved issues to web-annotations after speaking to richard about the discussion
15:59:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-518 - Submit approved issues to web-annotations after speaking to richard about the discussion [on Felix Sasaki - due 2016-05-12].
15:59:10 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:00:20 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:00:23 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:00:23 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Richard, David
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16:00:31 <aphillip> Present+ JcK
16:00:41 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
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