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12:56:43 <tzviya> chair: Tzviya
12:56:45 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2016May/0000.html
12:59:52 <tzviya> present+
13:00:00 <janina> present+ Janina
13:00:07 <ivan> Present+ Ivan
13:07:14 <tzviya> scribe: Tzviya
13:08:14 <tzviya> Janina: HTML 5 spec was trying to introduce XHTML2 approach to nested elements (<h> element). This has been moved to incubator group.
13:08:40 <tzviya> ...How does this affect DPUB?
13:10:24 <tzviya> Ivan: The idea in XHTML 2 was <section><h> and the level of heading is implied.
13:12:09 <tzviya> Michael: This never really made it into HTML 5+, it would override H1-6. There have been implementation problems.
13:13:05 <tzviya> Tzviya: The publishing industry would love this, but are we asking for more problems than we are solving?
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13:13:26 <janina> Yes, Rich
13:15:50 <tzviya> Tzviya: Yes, publishing would be interested. But, we would want to caution people not to use it until this is very clearly implemented
13:16:55 <tzviya> ...Make sure that anyone looking at the code know what logical nesting structure is
13:17:11 <tzviya> present+ Rich
13:20:06 <tzviya> topic: DPUB-ARIA testing
13:20:26 <tzviya> Rich: Joanie is happy with the sample file from Matt G
13:20:37 <tzviya> ...Joanie is working on it
13:20:51 <tzviya> Tzviya: Any word from Apple?
13:21:36 <tzviya> Rich: information to come
13:22:19 <tzviya> topic: exit criteria
13:22:42 <tzviya> Rich: For ARIA 1.0, we required implementation of roles in 2 browsers
13:23:04 <tzviya> Michael: subsitute UA for browser
13:23:56 <tzviya> ...2 implementations might me 1 implementation of mapping A and 1 implementation of mapping B
13:24:44 <tzviya> ...We need to clarify understanding with the director
13:25:13 <tzviya> Janina: This is on a feature by feature basis
13:25:53 <tzviya> Tzviya: Do we need to have all of the roles implemented?
13:26:50 <tzviya> Michael: We need to demonstrate 2 implementations but not 1 complete implementations. They can be conglomorates.
13:27:02 <tzviya> Ivan: What does implementation mean?
13:27:46 <tzviya> ...It seems that we really need to test the AAM only
13:28:06 <tzviya> Michael: In practice, yes.
13:28:34 <tzviya> Tzviya: If I show that DPUB-ARIA roles are in use in a publisher's content model, is that useful?
13:28:46 <tzviya> Michael: it's a nice to have, especially if it's public
13:29:09 <tzviya> ... and it's in a tool (not just a publication)
13:29:31 <tzviya> Ivan: What if the roles are used in books sold publically?
13:29:45 <tzviya> Michael: nice to have, but doesn't meet CR exit criteria
13:30:10 <tzviya> ...need tool implementation, not just that authors are using it
13:35:54 <tzviya> Tzviya: Want to make sure that this is tested beyond digital publishing, so testing is done in browsers, not just epub devices
13:36:49 <tzviya> rrsagent, make logs public
13:38:07 <tzviya> rich: Will there be best practices?
13:38:26 <tzviya> tzviya: short answer is yes, in conjunction with DAISY and BISG
13:42:12 <tzviya> rrsagent, make minutes
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13:48:16 <tzviya> zakim, bye
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