11:44:11 RRSAgent has joined #wot 11:44:11 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-wot-irc 11:56:34 michael has joined #wot 11:58:30 dsr has joined #wot 12:01:15 dape has joined #wot 12:01:15 taki has joined #wot 12:02:41 taki has left #wot 12:04:10 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_WebConf 12:05:54 DarkoAnicic has joined #wot 12:06:09 present+ DarkoAnicic 12:06:27 ryuichi has joined #wot 12:06:44 kajimoto has joined #wot 12:07:05 victor-charpenay has joined #wot 12:07:11 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Dave_Raggett, Michael_Koster, Daniel_Peinter, Darko_Anicic, Frank_Reusch, Kazuo_Kajimoto, Kazuaki_Nimura, Markus_Jung, Matthias_Kovatsch, N_Wang, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Takuki_Kamiya, Victor_Charpenay, Yingying_Chen 12:08:28 present+ schuki_ 12:08:57 present+ Natasha_Rooney 12:09:04 taki has joined #wot 12:09:29 sebastian has joined #wot 12:09:54 scribe: Darko 12:10:06 scribenick: DarkoAnicic 12:10:10 mkovatsc has joined #wot 12:10:11 toru has joined #wot 12:10:21 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016May/0009.html 12:10:34 i|lists|topic: Call with OCF| 12:11:00 present+ Toru_Kawaguchi 12:11:06 khalil_abdelmalek has joined #wot 12:11:33 q+ 12:11:42 Dave: looking for a colaboration with OCF Platform w.r.t 12:11:43 present+ Khalil_Abdelmalek 12:12:26 present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch 12:12:33 present+ Joerg_Heuer 12:13:07 ack k 12:13:11 Markus: involved in work in OCF 12:13:21 -> https://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-auto-minutes.html#item05 auto minutes on ocf presentation 12:13:34 present+ 12:13:59 Markus affiliated with Samsung 12:14:16 kaz: automotive wg meeting in Paris last week 12:14:29 tx 12:14:35 ... had a presentation by Sanjeev BA from Samsung on OCF's work 12:15:51 ... OCF IoTivity work on some RESTful framework 12:15:59 ... but so far don't have meta data mechanism 12:16:14 ... so I suggested they refer to JSON-LD and he agreed 12:16:21 Topic: preparation for China F2F 12:16:33 rrsagent, make log publi 12:16:36 rrsagent, make log public 12:16:41 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:16:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:18:49 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_July_2016,_China,_Beijing Beijing f2f wiki 12:18:49 N_Wang: talking about possible contributions for the next F2F (Alibaba, Academy of Science etc.) 12:19:23 q+ 12:19:27 kaz: information available on the above wiki page 12:19:39 ack dape 12:19:43 https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_July_2016,_China,_Beijing#Visa_Invitation_Letters 12:19:46 k_nimura has joined #wot 12:19:59 Chair: Matthias 12:21:00 [ Yingying: I just want to reminder you that you need to request for the invitation letter asap. ] 12:21:04 All: please request the invitation letter this week in case you plan your trip to Chine 12:21:16 s/Chine/China/ 12:21:26 s/reminder/remind/ 12:21:31 s/Chine/China 12:22:09 Topic: IG Re-charter 12:22:38 ryuichi has joined #wot 12:23:24 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016Apr/0068.html New process for draft charter generation 12:23:51 Matthias: explaining the process on using GitHub for editing charter pages 12:24:10 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/charters Charters repo 12:24:39 -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-ig-2016.html HTML version 12:24:44 Dave: we should provide a wiki page with instructions 12:25:08 Matthias: there exists a README file explaining the process 12:25:35 kaz: has just put the URL on the IRC above 12:25:46 Sebastian: in case of problems, please give your proposal over email and W3C stuff will create a pull request 12:25:55 k_nimura has joined #wot 12:26:38 present+ Dan_Romascanu 12:27:16 q+ 12:27:41 Dave: initial 4 weeks for the charter are too short 12:28:36 Matthias: we should define the deadline, it works more efficiently 12:29:52 q? 12:30:29 Dave: 3 weeks to get a stable draft and 1 week to get the feedback 12:32:29 kaz: it is not the big difference between the old and the new charter 12:34:12 Matthias: we should create a pull request for each new item/proposal, then we see what is in and is out 12:34:38 Joerg: bigger changes means longer extension? 12:34:42 kaz: yes 12:36:14 Joerg: if the agreement is not achieved till July, what are consequences? 12:36:46 Dave: no big risk. We should get the charter right. 12:42:20 Dave: we need to extend the validity date of the current charter 12:43:47 Matthias: Action on Dave to write in the REAMDE the timeline related info 12:45:06 Topic: WG Charter 12:45:27 Matthias: are we on track w.r.t WG Charter 12:45:39 s/kaz: yes/kaz: yes, so we should be make sure whether we would like to add big changes or not./ 12:46:41 s/be make sure/make sure/ 12:47:23 -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-wg-2016.html draft WG charter 12:48:05 Joerg: put emphasis on work on WG Charter (discussed also on the last F2F) 12:48:48 q? 12:48:58 ack kaz 12:48:58 q- 12:50:23 Matthias: look at both charters, and if issues exist, please open the pull request. Deadline - next week. 12:51:13 https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/proposals/type-system 12:51:19 Topic: PlugFest Preparation: Status Reports 12:51:41 Daniel: introducing the new type system 12:52:02 dromasca has joined #wot 12:53:28 Daniel: adding complex data types 12:53:30 i/introducing/@@@URL here@@@/ 12:54:47 Daniel: JSON Schema is a preffered solution. Please comment out. 12:57:44 q+ 12:58:00 Daniel: 2 weeks for comments. 12:58:22 q? 12:58:30 Daniel: please post issues as pull requests. 12:59:29 Victor: we have enough time till une 10th to finalize the propsoal. 13:01:30 Dave: to build conesus we need to propose and evaluate different proposal (i.e., not to go faster with certain solutions) 13:04:19 Daniel: to better undestand the raised issues, please use the issue tracker 13:05:31 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues GitHub issue tracker 13:06:19 Victor: please use "Proposal for TD" as a tag 13:07:15 q+ 13:07:18 ack d 13:08:09 Matthias: please give additional propsoal that can be evaluated during the plugfests 13:08:13 q? 13:08:43 ack kaz 13:08:46 Victor: we focus on JSON Schema without ignoring other proposals 13:09:01 Victor: they will evaluated/reviewd too 13:09:47 kaz: proposals/approaches should be defined by the group's interest 13:10:53 Matthias: define the problem, and then we will work on different proposals that lead to the solution 13:12:33 Dave: we should research use cases/propsoal beyond the group 13:13:29 Matthias: this is not feasible. More practical is to a stakeholder to join the group and address a use case/proposal 13:14:02 s/is to/ is that 13:16:59 s/to join/joins 13:19:43 s/defined by/defined based on/ 13:20:26 victor-charpenay has joined #wot 13:20:37 Joerg: let us do things in iteration. Practical evaluations give good insight about problems/solutions, also to externals. 13:20:41 My concern is that we aren’t doing a thorough enough job at considering the alternatives 13:21:39 Joerg: we are working on the current practise docuemnt, and the document reflects the current state of matters. In another iteration we can capture the updates. 13:21:57 q+ 13:22:41 The current practice document is focused on finding a single approach for the next plugfest and isn’t a good vehicle for studying the alternatives 13:22:44 Joerg: this issue is reappearing, let us capture this in minutes and refer to it later on 13:22:48 q? 13:22:55 ack kaz 13:23:50 ack k 13:24:39 kaz: we might want to record Dave's concern on further investigation and stronger collaboration with other SDOs and technologies, and think about that at some point 13:24:45 s/things in iteration/things in iterations 13:24:55 ... it would be of course better if we could do that as well 13:27:07 Matthias: focus the work on both charters and the architecture document update 13:28:54 Sebastian: there is an agenda point about pub/sub, notification (from Michael Koster), but let us postpone it for the next time 13:31:16 Michael: I will sketch a primer on the topic with timeline, problem statement etc. 13:32:02 rrsagent, create minutes 13:32:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-wot-minutes.html DarkoAnicic 13:32:08 [ adjourned ] 13:32:26 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:32:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:32:58 OK 13:33:15 rrsagent, stop